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Posted by jrslick KS/5 (My Page) on Thu, Oct 22, 09 at 21:02
| Who is calling it or has called it quits for this year's market season? Here in North Central Kansas, we had a killing frost/freeze 2.5-3 weeks ago. It knocked out lots of our vendors. Usually it doesn't freeze until the end of October or into early November.
In my high tunnels, I still have tomatoes, cherry tomatoes peppers, lettuce, spinach, radishes and a few turnips. I don't have tons, but enough to have some selection. I planted my broccoli and cauliflower too late, or it has been too cool and cloudy all fall. I forget when I planted it, but I think I will move it up to the middle of July. So we will be freezing lots of cauliflower and broccoli.
I don't think I am going to make myself go out and pick my produce and wash greens when it is 34-40 degrees outside with a strong north wind. Then on market morning it is going to be 35 degrees. It has been colder, but the customers just aren't coming out anymore. In addition, I am not selling alot of what I have. It makes me sad to see the season come to an early end, but I will find something to do I am sure! It has been a fun 26 weeks. I will continue to pick produce to feed our friends and family until they freeze in the hoop buildings.
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| Our market officially ends 10/31, but we have extra days later on. Nov 14, 21 and Dec 5. I wish I had your extras. Yes, our customers don't come in early, but as soon as it states to warm up they show up. Can you pick the greens and clean them inside? We have had several low 30 degree at starting time of market. Will we continue til the end? That's a good question, I was going to quit and son talked me out of it. Now, IF it will be COLD and RAINY, we may stay home but probably not. Canopies are wonderful, plus we have electric available and bring in an electric heater to warm hands/feet. I plant with the idea of market ending Oct 31 and usually don't have anything left in the garden. Just winter squash already picked just waiting to be sold. |
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| I also plant and market until the end. It just has been so cold in the morning 30 or 31 for the last two weeks. Last week we didn't have a paying customer until 9:30. We were all set up by 7:30. I also didn't make much >$50. Maybe I will make it, maybe I won't. If it is raining, no way. Canopies are great. I can wash stuff inside, I just don't want to waste all my time tonight doing it. I wish there was an easy answer. I guess I will go, this week, and not next week. I will make my decision at 4:00. Jay |
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| How do you wash your greens? When I used to grow alot of lettuce/spinach, I would pick/cut and put into soft mesh bags, I had 25# potato bags available. I would not fill completely, then I would dip the bag up and down into a rainbarrel (it was what we collect rain in) a few times. After done dipping, I would spin the bag around (like you do with kids playing). Then I would hang the bag up on a fence post to dry some. After alittle while I would fluff the lettuce/spinach and it was ready to go. The lettuce/spinach got clean and wasn't alot of work. I separated the different greens into separate bags. Then I put the bags into coolers (it was late spring/early summer) with 2 lt bottles of frozen water on the bottom of cooler. If you don't do this already, give it a try. It might make it a bit easier, we all need to work smarter not always harder. |
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| That is pretty much how I do it. I cut and put it in tubs and take it into the house, in the spring, I would work outside. I soak it in cold water for a while, then rinse it off. Rinse again with water and pull out specific amounts, dry it in small home salad spinner and bag. It works for me. I am only picking about 5 pounds. Much more and your method sounds great! I have not sold out of it in 4 weeks. I guess the cold fall isn't time for salad. We love the stuff and everyone who buys it loves it, just not enough people love it! |
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| I wish i bookmarked a cool csa site that I found. They took the agitator out of an old washing machine and used it as a giant salad spinner. pretty cool. Time to work on that tractor jay. ;) |
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| I soaked my greens in the sink with salt for about 15mins, rinsed it, then put into mesh sacks (lingerie bags) and put them on the delicate spin cycle on the washing machine, then bagged it. Sure save my arm from the salad spinner. |
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| This is what I like about the forums, everybody has their own ways to make life/work easier and then we share. Maybe we need to start a thread for just making work easier over the winter and try the different ways out next year. Jay, I was picking about 10-15 lbs of green and red salad bowl, each, along with 5-10 lbs of oakleaf. Those varieties work well for my market. I also cut grass clippers to cut the lettuces, the spinach got hand-picked each leaf. |
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| My CSA ends Nov 2nd and than the winter CSA starts up Nov 11th and goes through January. the farmers market goes until the Sat before Thanksgiving and after that the 3rd Saturday of every month they hold a market. We have a lot of stored things like garlic, winter squash, onions and are still digging potatoes, parsnips, carrots. Still harvesting kale, spring mix, arugula, chard, broccoli and cabbage which is either in hoop houses or under row cover. We have had 2 freezes in the past 10 days We wash greens until it gets into the 30's than they go to market bagged dirty. I used a big tub for water and dry with an industrial sized salad spinner (holds 1/2 bushel). I used to do the swing the bag to dry the greens but hurt my rotator cuffs on both shoulders doing that (both had injuries already) so bought the salad spinner and find it takes about 1/4 the time of spinning bags and the greens get drier and are in better shape. The spinner costs under $200, takes up far less space than a washing machine (and can be moved around if need be) and takes no electric. I love my salad spinner. It's a Dynamic and Johnny's selected seeds carries them but you can them far more cheaply from a restaurant supply place. There are many on line |
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| I didn't sell at my market this Saturday. I am glad I didn't but I am feeling sad. Maybe I will go next week(the last week!) Everyone in my family (except me) has been sick this week and our 3 year old was hospitalized with pnemonia. All is better now. I think this had something to do with my lack of motivation and lack of things getting picked. I also had to help move my grandmother to a new apartment. She moved from 3 hours away to be closer to my mom. My mom is excited to have her closer. Joe Il: I did work on the my tractor today. It was my grandfathers. He died several years ago, it is sad that I don't remember the year. I got it to turn over today. It didn't start, but I consider it a first day success. Next time I work on it, I am pulling the fuel tank, and clean out the fuel lines and work on the carb. It is a Massey Fergeson 35 Deluxe with a front end loader. There is a disk, plow and mower also. The disk and plow are in the trees but in good condition. The mower has been used several times on another tractor. I am very excited that I will get it going soon. When I do, I will post pics. I have a question about greens. I really want to grow more, but they just don't sell. I don't get it. I don't know what I am doing wrong. Am I too high with my price? Is there not enough in a bag? Does selling greens just take time to build a market? Even in the spring, I had a hard time selling them. I always had to "Do a lot of talking" to get them sold. I usually put about 5 ounces (1/3 a pound) in a gallon size clear bag. I am asking $2.50 for Spinach and $2.00 for lettuce. I lowered my price to $2.00 and $1.50 and I still was bringing too much of it home every week. I am only taking 4-5 pounds total. I had a very small offering in the spring. At the end of August and September I had Summer Crisp lettuce. It was very good. I had Magenta, Concept, Cherokee, Anuenue, Jericho, and Loma all together in a mix. It was very pretty and tasted wonderful. I grow this using "Organic" methods. There are no holes, not bitter, picked young and tender and still hard sells. In the town I sell in on Wednesday, a friend sells there on Saturday and he sells out every week of all of his mixes. I just don't understand. How do you do it, Myfamilysfarm, Boulderbelt, herbgardener? Do you sell mixes of lettuce? Or just one variety. I know that "Fancy" or "Unusual" greens won't work. Is there money in greens or do you sell them because they are hardy? Next spring I am building a new high tunnel to plant tomatoes in. The tunnel that I had tomatoes in this year, I am going to plant spinach, lettuce, broccoli, carrots, green onions, cauliflower, Chard, and beets. I am wanting to have these ready for the first markets at the start of May. Then in Mid June, I am going to plant a row or two of tomatoes for late in the season. I just think I need to work harder on educating our customers about "local" food. I wish we had a "Winter" market. I am having a hard enough time selling stuff in October, I don't think November would be any easier. |
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I know that I sell to a different market than you do, but when I did sell to the produce store I couldn't keep the lettuce mix on the shelf. Rather than plant individual lettuces I used Johnny's Wilfire Lettuce Mix (really nice reds), Spectrum Greens Mix and Elegance Greens Mix. I used mostly lettuce with a handful of each of the green mix. I used the large freezer ziploc bags stuffed full (I never weighed it - too much time) - sold it to the produce store for $4.00. I think perhaps your spinach price maybe to high. I thought I could get $5.00 a bag, no way, I can only get $2.00. It is so cheap to buy the big bags in the store. Have you tried to sell Arugula.(it is shown on all the cooking shows) Doesn't grow all that well in the heat of the summer but early spring and late fall it it awesome. Maybe you could give small bags out with how to serve it(I have a flyer with info on it if interested) and get people introduced to it. You can demand the higher price like the lettuce because it is not readily available. Spinach is so easy to come by but arugula is another story and if you get people hooked on it you won't be able to keep it on the shelf. Have you thought anymore about doing herbs? Appreciate anyone's thoughts on growing fingerling potatoes. Will it be worth taking up so much space? I have no idea how many to plant as to how much they produce. I just had two plants this year and we are just starting to pull them as we need them (only for our personal use) In August I planted some carrots, hoping to have them later in the season but the rains have started. Will they last (not undercover) or will the rains turn them to mush?. This is my first year trying things over winter. We usually shut it down and go away but not this year. Thanks for any advice. |
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| I don't sell alot of lettuces/spinach anymore. Too much labor for the amount of money received. I usually sold it by the pound. $6/lb for lettuces and $8/lb for spinach. We sold the spinach as baby spinach without the stems. Very seldom brought much home. One week I remember, we have alot of lettuce so I offered $3/bag and the customers put into what ever amount they wanted. I grew Red and Green Salad and Oak Leaf. I grew and sold them separately, but encouraged customer to 'mix and match'. Argula does not sell for me AT all. Herbgardener, the fingerling potatoes sell well for other vendors. I just plant red potatoes and never plant enough. This year, I bought alot of potatoes in addition to the 50# of seed potatoes that we planted. I really need to count how many pounds we bought. We had maybe 50# not sell, they will be seed for next year. If I had to guess how many pounds we sold, I would guess close to 500#, if not more. the fingerling that sell well at market are the white ones. We finally bought a tractor a few months ago, it came with a mower. Today we got a disc, YIPPEE. Now maybe we can work the ground better and easier. |
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Thanks myfamilysfarm re the potatoes. I have the white Banana Russian fingerling and my neighbour has the Red one. It is going to cost a fortunate for shipping - can I use my potatoes and hers for seed. I realize you should not use potatoes from the grocery store but what about if they are your own? Also did the arugula not sell because people didn't know what to do with it? |
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| Myfamiliesfarm: I have a question did you plant 500 pounds of potatoes or harvested 500 pounds of potatoes? Last year I sold out of potatoes in early September. I harvested 1200-1300 pounds of potatoes. This year, we started our market a month earlier. I started to dig them earlier. I sold out by late July. The reason is I started to dig them a month earlier and they were very small new potatoes. Dollar wise, we were about equal each year. I did find that the "New" potatoes were much easier to sell. Last year I ran out of Yukon Gold early and had plenty of reds. This year I planted more Yukon Gold, and ran out of Reds early. So who knows what to plant. I am going to up my planting numbers to around 200 pounds. No one has ever asked me about fingerling, so I am not going to plant any. |
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| This spring was the first time we sold lettuce for market and we did really really well. We almost sold out every week, and people would come back every week for more. In fact we had a lot of people disappointed when we did not have any available during the summer. We did not plant any for the fall because we have plans to put up a hoop house where they would have had to be planted. I believe that I bagged 6 ounces and sold it for I think $3.00. I mostly sold mixes, but would usually take some bags of just one variety, but they would not sell as well for me. Would usually end up bringing those back. I linked a page from my blog in which I explained the different mixes that we had available, if you would like to check it out. The lettuces and greens were smaller in the picture than when I took them to market. I believe I took the pictures a week or two before the first market. They were a nice size when I started to pick for market. They were still very good though, not bitter at all. I think what really helped us sell our lettuces is that no one else at our market sells lettuce, so we do not have to compete with anyone else. It is something different that they could not normally get from our market. Maybe for you it will just take time for customers to start buying your lettuces. I know I love selling lettuces and greens. It is a lot more work to harvest than other things, but for me is very much worth it. We are actually done for the year (so sad). I can still hardly believe the summer is over, how quickly it goes by. We did not even go to the last market this Saturday. Just hardly seemed worth it. We do not have much of anything left and not many customers have been coming anyhow. It would have been different if we would have had more fall crops planted, but didn't. All I have to do now is get things ready for winter, build a hoop house, and plan for next year, oh and hope spring gets here quickly. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Blog Salad Mixes Page
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| I sell lettuce, kale, chard, mustards, etc. for $3 a 1/2 pound. over the years on such greens I have found 1/2 pound bags are about perfect for most. When I started doing this 15 years ago most greens were sold by the "mess" (approx a bushel) to older women who would cook up a mess of greens for the family on Sundays. they wanted the mess for under $2 and i wondered if growing greens was ever going to be profitable. than things started to change and people did not want a "mess" of greens, they wanted enough greens for 1 to 2 people and that is a 1/2 pound for most. same with lettuce-most people cannot get through more than a half pound of lettuce a week (Sad, I know). Spring mix (a mix of baby lettuces-11 to 20 different kinds, arugula, mizuna and other baby greens) I do 6 ounce bags. Arugula 4 ounce bags. All bags have a nice label. I use 12" x 20" produce bags not zip locks because they are a lot cheaper and "greener" (far less plastic) The link is where I got these bags the cheapest. this site also has salad spinners, refrigeration and other useful items all at great prices |
Here is a link that might be useful: Webstaurant Store
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| When I sold the lettuces, most of my customer bought 1/2# or less. Since we have 3 days of market, some of the customers would come out of the offices just to buy enough lettuce for lunch for a couple of days, then come back again later in the week. Before board of health clamped down on us, we also sold watermelon and cantalope chunks, cut at market and packaged in deli container. Now you can't sell cut melons, it took probably $40-$50 per day out of our sales. Just got a thought, if we have the egg permits, could we sell individual boiled eggs for salad??? Any thoughts? |
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| Saturday Oct 31 is our last market. the rain here in Illinois has been hard on me getting apples picked as I have a full time day job, 4 kids and their activities, and 40 sheep. The cold yucky days have kept the crowds down at the market. The vendors at our market are really thined down. I will say that their is still a good variety in our market. last week I saw people selling squash,lettuce,root crops of all kinds, leeks, herbs, potatoes, our hydroponic tomato guy is doing OK, . Notice that I did not say pumpkins there are plenty of them at the market but they are not moving and are incredably low priced at $1 or $2 each. I too am sorry to see it end this year |
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| Alan: I am glad to see someone else who has 4 kids, a full time job and other things going on. Our last day is Saturday too. Two years ago, the Chamber of Commerece in town had a costume contest on Saturday morning next to our Farmers Market. It was very cold and sales picked up a little. However this year they are doing it on Friday Evening. I probably won't go. I probably will be the only one if I do go, maybe a pumpkin patch person too. I would agree with the pumpkins too. That is why I don't grow them anymore. They take up alot of time and space. Also you lock yourself into a one crop rotation. In the area I would grow them I have had 3 crops and have sold them all before I would have sold any pumpkins. Potatoes, Green Beans, Fall Lettuce and Radishes were the three crops. Still up in the air if I will go on Saturday or not. Jay |
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| I sold my pumpkins this year for $3 or less, they weren't perfect, I would call them 2nds. I started the price the same as last year, and last weekend we dropped them to $1. Our economy is not doing well, so I'm trying to help out by keeping my prices as low as possible, when I can. I will be growing some pumpkins this next year, so that I can offer a u-pick pumpkin patch. I have the land, and the seeds are rather cheap. We also have alot of strawberries, so we may open the strawberry patch for u-pick. Tomatoes may be our crop in-between. There is a u-pick tomato patch about 1 hr away, they seem to doing ok. I'm not sure what else we will plant, but our main crops will be strawberries, tomatoes and pumpkins/winter squash. Tomorrow we be our last 'normal' day at the market. Our market is offering extra days on Nov 14, 21 and Dec 5 to finish off this year. They usually have 1 day in March for early sales. Most people don't have much produce, but the bakery and craft people do well. |
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