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Posted by leaveswave (My Page) on Tue, May 5, 09 at 14:49
| Do you have one? Seen or heard about good varieties for zone 4? |
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| I saw a really stunning flowering quince out in Rhode Island a week or so ago. When I got back I did a little research on their hardiness—I assume you're asking about the flowering shrub, right?—and that sort of convinced me I'd never get a nice big upright quince through a MN winter. Maybe others have actual experiences to share. GaryStPaul |
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| Gary, thanks for tipping me off to the types of quinces. I'm actually interested in a fruiting quince, not flowering quince. (Though I just googled images and they are lovely.) |
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| http://www.oikostreecrops.com/store/prodtype.asp?PT_ID=138&strPageHistory=cat |
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| Doesn't mean it is truly hardy, but Bachman's was selling Texas Scarlet last year. |
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| I am also interest to know if anyone has flowering quince like Texas Scarlet and how it does here. It is rated as zone 5. |
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| I have a quince tree. It's about 5 feet tall. The last 3 years it did really well surviving the winter. Every spring it had beautiful white sweet smelling flowers. I was looking forward to finally getting fruit this year, but our hard winter froze the quince 3 feet down the trunk. It has set out shoots now, but I don't know how well it will do. I also had a cherry freeze back to just the trunk and a few short branches. |
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| Hang on, people are dropping comments about two different creatures here. The quince that is known for being a sweetly flavored, tennis ball-sized fruit that is eaten across the world is Cydonia oblonga, which wouldn't be winter hardy in Minnesota. The flowering quince is Chaenomeles speciosa or C. japonica and hybrids, etc. With a good microclimate and mild winter, I could see it being somewhat (but not reliably) hardy across most of Minnesota. As one mentioned, easily with severe dieback if not fully protected under snow in Jan and February. The small fruits of flowering quince are edible, but they are tremendously bitter. Thanks to the highly misleading modified USDA zone hardiness maps sent out by the Arbor Day Foundation, nurseries are feeling empowered to bring in marginally or fully unhardy plants into new regions, mainly for $$$ (market share). :( |
Here is a link that might be useful: Quince cultural info
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| Last spring (2008) I planted two Cydonia quinces from Oikos at my dad's farm in central MN, 30 miles north of St. Cloud. At planting, they were only 1 ft tall, and put on a few inches more growth as they got established over the summer. I was just out there this week, and both of them are still alive! They suffered some dieback, but that was to be expected. The location was a somewhat sheltered region (eastern side of our windbreak, backed up by 3 rows of spruce and red pine to the west). I didn't get the bales of straw around them for insulation like I had planned on, and we didn't have another mild winter like so many previous years. They are back to their original 1 ft height, but the regrowth is looking very vigorous. I'm hopeful that if I baby them the first few years with straw bales and piled snow for added insulation they'll make it on their own later on. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Oikos Quince Trees
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| Gusolie - actually lots of plant species are mistakenly labels as zone 5 only hardy when they are actually zone 4 hardy - and then there are strange exceptions - I have seen with my eyes an big mature American Sycamore near the University of Minnesota Campus St. Paul Campus and also on campus two sicky little bald cypress and at the arboretum a tulip tree thought I don't know how long the tulip tree had been planted. |
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| I agree with you Blueang don't let people talk others out of zone 5 plants in MN especially if you are close to the twin cities heat island. I have a Quince and to think they did extensive research on JUST how cold hardy a Russian Quince like Aromatnaya is is giving TOO much credit to the growing world. If you want to talk dollars Gusolie get out a map of Zone 4 and look at the population centers. Maybe Minneapolis-St. Paul is there and that is it so why would "greedy" people try and recommend or stick their neck out on Zone 4 guarantees? They wouldn't and they don't. Life in Zone 4 is finding out what can really make it here. Read these threads and you read alot of Zone 4 success stories with labeled zone 5's. |
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| I hate to tell you this, conan, but when you talk of the urban heat island effect of a major metropolitan area like the Twin Cities, you are in effect still zone 4b, perhaps with limited MICROCLIMATEs of zone 5a/b at best...if you are an experience gardener and understand the tricks to make a Minnesota winter "warmer, less severe and less windy", by all means push your growing palette. It remains unethical, however, for nurserymen to blanketly say "it'll grow here", in particular to the general public who will drop cash on plants and have no clue of difference in light exposure, know what deciduous, or tropical bulb means in the greater scheme... So, you're tell me that everyone of you would bet your life on the FULL HARDINESS of plants in microclimates in the Twin Cities would just as reliably survive the same zone 4a and 4b winters say in St Cloud, Mankato or Windom? A plant that "survives" a winter and has to rejuvenate annually or putters along may be "hardy", but saying such a zone 5 or 6 plant is fully hardy in zone 4 or 3 Minnesota without clarification or explanation is BOGUS. It's like the man in Iowa who grows Washingtonia palms with consideraable babying and wrapping/heating in winter telling people that these palms "are hardy" in zone 5...there is a difference to man-made manipulation and cultivation than natural factors. Catalinagray mentioned having a Cydonia quince, but lo and behold a Minnesota winter knocks it back to 3'--so are you going to say this tree is hardy? Will it set fruit? Why don't you go to the local nurseries, including Bachman's or Linder's and boldly tell their nursery manager to start a new promotion and stock up on half-hardy, "iffy" plants to sucker the average consumer? |
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| I have had a Texas scarlet flowering quince in 4b for at least 6 years and its greatest issue is with rabbits that eat the stems in winter. The leaf buds are fully hardy and so are the flowers below the snowline OR after a mild winter (not the last two). It is certainly as "zone 4" hardy as most yews, flowering almond, old-fashioned forsythias and other plants commonly sold in zone 4 for 50 or more years. |
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