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cut back perennials when?

yardmartyr
17 years ago

I couldn't find any messages that specifically deal with my dilemma, which is when to cut back the following perennials:

Black-eyed susans

Coreopsis

Violets

Peonies

Shasts daisies

Salvia

Sage

Sedum

Which of these should I cut back now and which in the spring? Or should some just be left alone? I know cutting back encourages growth, but I've read that some flowers benefit from it. By the way, I live in Zone 5. Thanks for any suggestions.

Comments (7)

  • anitamo
    17 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Which sedums? I leave the flower stems up all winter on the Autumn Joys. It adds winter interest, then cut them down in the spring. All my peonies get cut back by September 1. The rest can go either way, I guess, but I cut them back to tidy up and have less work to do in the spring. One of my rules is getting rid of any foliage that looks diseased...like my black eyed susans. Those get cut down for sure. I don't want anything overwintering that looks suspect.

  • yardmartyr
    Original Author
    17 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Thanks! All very useful info. I guess I better get busy. I have a lot of peonies around my property. By the way, how about hydrangeas? I should leave the stems because they grow on old wood, right? However, my yard sat untouched for several years before I got here, so there are lots of dead woody stems that seem to be cramping growth. I think I'll cut these out and also thin the newer stems. Sound about right?

  • anitamo
    17 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Check out the link below...it can tell you more than I can. Still learning myself about hydrangeas. Love them though.

    Here is a link that might be useful: hydrangeas

  • pondwelr
    17 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I let the sedum stand, but cut peonies, russian sage and other stuff to tall stalks when they look ratty. My RS is taking over a whole sandy area of one of my beds. The tops fall over, lay in the soil, and voila, up springs 10 new plants.
    Today, a swarm of chickadees and sparrows have gone to work on my two ornamental grasses. They ride each stem to the ground and peck away at the blooming seed heads. Its so comical.
    This is my first year with the newish "endless summer" hydrangea, so I have alot to learn with you . Anyone have experience with these?

  • madisonkathy
    17 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    pondwelr,

    My Endless Summer is 3 years old, now, and I don't cut it down. I do cover it with leaves after the first hard frost. In the spring, I uncover it and cut off any dead or damaged branches. It's one of those that are late to leaf out, tho, so you might want to wait until it does, before you start trimming.

    A neighbor has one that must be 5 feet tall...close to the house in a micro climate. I'm so jealous!

  • gardenkitten
    17 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I live in Des Moines and really dont cut anything back - especially anything that could be bird food - the finches love my sedums, lemonbalm, etc. I clear things out in the spring. Never have had any problems.

  • Oswegian
    17 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Here is an article from the American Horticultural Society journal, The American Gardener, from autumn 2005 on fall cleanup. It includes a sidebar on Debbie Hillman, a professional gardener in the northern suburbs
    of Chicago.

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    EVERY FALL, most gardeners engage in the annual ritual of raking, mowing, pruning, and generally
    hauling off yards of garden trimmings and grass clippingsall in the name of fall
    cleanup. But this last-ditch effort to tidy up the garden wastes a precious amount of resources
    in the process. In fact, overzealous cleaning actually can be more damaging to the ecological landscape
    and less fruitful to the outcome of next yearÂs garden than not doing anything at all.

    Making a few changes in your autumn
    routine benefits the soil and, ultimately,
    the health of your plants. Keeping fallen
    leaves and trimmings in the garden adds
    essential organic matter to the soil. This, in
    turn, provides food for worms and a host
    of other beneficial soil-dwelling creatures
    that break down the material, improving
    soil structure and delivering valuable nutrients
    to plants. In addition, leaving a few
    things undoneÂallowing spent flowers to
    remain or leaving a patch of tall grasses to
    linger in a corner of your yard, for instanceÂ
    creates a hospitable place for
    wildlife to spend the winter.

    In regards to removing garden debris or
    leaving it be, there are a multitude of reasons
    why gardeners should forego the traditional
    course of action in favor of a more
    relaxed approach. For starters, how about
    conserving resourcesÂincluding your
    time, energy, and the fuel it takes to haul
    leaves, sticks, and other yard trimmings
    away? Rather than sending valuable organic
    matter to the local landfill, why not
    recycle it? The leftover organic matter can
    be turned into nutrient-rich compost,
    used for mulch, put in piles to provide
    winter habitat for wildlife, or left to decompose
    naturally.

    LEAVE THEM STANDING
    Removing spent flowers during the growing
    season will help keep plants blooming
    longer. However, once fall has arrived and
    plants near the end of their flowering cycle,
    the flowers of many plants can be left to
    mature so they will produce seeds. The attractive
    seed heads that remain will not
    only add a dimension of winter interest in
    the garden, they also serve as an important
    food source for seed-eating birds like finches,
    sparrows, grosbeaks, and siskins. And,
    letting seedpods form on desired self-sowing
    annualsÂnasturtiums, poppies, nicotianas,
    and cosmos, for exampleÂprovides
    a welcome source for next yearÂs blooms.
    Just be sure to remove the seedpods of any
    plants that you donÂt want to reseed.
    Use a light hand with the pruners and
    leave at least a few dead stalks of diseasefree
    perennials and vines in the garden to
    serve as protection for the plantÂs crown
    and roots. By leaving some garden trimmings
    in planting beds, youÂll be creating
    a natural habitat of protective cover for a
    host of birds as well as a variety of overwintering
    wildlife, such as adult ladybeetles,
    pollinating bees, praying mantids,
    and other insects.

    Insects, too, need protection from winter
    cold, and in warmer climates they also
    Sunflowers left in the garden provide a
    nutritious food source for a variety of birds.

    need protection from winter elements,
    like moisture, as well as their enemies. At
    summerÂs end, insects take refuge in garden
    debris and in dry stems. "Insects,
    whether they be beneficial or pest, need
    overwinter protection," says Jack Schultz,
    a professor of entomology at Penn State
    University in State College, Pennsylvania.
    "Without it theyÂre sitting ducks for everything
    from having their blood freeze to
    being eaten by their enemies."
    On the flip side, removing all this garden
    debris in fall can actually upset the
    balance of nature. Insects are a necessary
    component to plant pollination, beneficial
    insects help keep bad bugs under
    control, and insects and other invertebrates
    serve as an essential food source for
    many birds and other animals. ItÂs a natural
    synergy that makes for a healthy
    ecosystem and lively garden.

    LET IT LAY
    One of the most labor-saving, cost-effective,
    and environmentally-friendly things
    you can doÂor in this case, not doÂis
    to leave your grass clippings on the lawn.
    Since grass clippings are mostly water,
    they decompose rapidly so there is no
    thatch buildup.

    Grasscycling also adds organic matter,
    stimulates the activity of earthworms,
    which act as natureÂs soil aerators, and returns
    a natural source of nitrogen back to
    the soil. This can add up to two pounds
    of elemental nitrogen per 1,000 square
    feet each season. If you have a mulching
    mower and mow your grass frequently,
    the clippings should be the perfect size to
    leave on the lawn.

    A heavy fall of leaves on the lawn
    should be raked up to avoid smothering
    the grass or encouraging fungal diseases.
    But those that fall into garden beds can
    be left in place. As long as the layer of
    leaves isnÂt too thick, it will form an insulating
    mat around trees and shrubs that
    conserves soil moisture, modulates soil
    temperatures, reduces erosion, encourages
    beneficial soil organisms, and naturally
    breaks down to improve soil
    structure. Some leaves may need to be removed
    from perennial beds where winter
    moisture can promote crown rot.
    If you canÂt bear to leave your leaves
    naturally strewn in beds, then gently rake
    them out and add them to the compost
    bin. Consider leaving a few small piles
    tucked away for hibernating insects as
    well as lizards, frogs, and toads that seek
    winter cover.

    Unless your garden is huge, consider
    raking your leaves rather than using a
    blower or vacuum. Raking does not produce
    the noise or air pollution of machinery,
    and it is a healthy form of exercise.

    If you have a leaf shredder, put your
    leaves through it so they will decompose
    faster. Those shredded leaves can be added
    back to beds or put in the compost pile.
    Even if you donÂt have a shredder, you can
    chop up leaf piles by running over them
    several times with a mulching mower.
    DonÂt know what to do with your
    branches and other yard trimmings? Use
    them as a base layer to start a compost pile
    and cover them with grass clippings or
    leaves. You can also create loosely stacked
    brush piles in out-of-the-way spots in your
    yard. Use a mix of thinner and thicker
    branches and twigs to create differentsized
    spaces that will accommodate a variety
    of backyard creatures from reptiles and
    amphibians to birds, bees, and other
    winged wildlife. Top it off with a layer of
    evergreen branches for added protection
    in colder climates.

    Fall cleanup neednÂt be a complicated
    chore. Just remember that less is more in
    the grand scheme of thingsÂour environment,
    our resources, and our day-today
    lives as well as the ecosystem of our
    garden. After all, wouldnÂt you rather
    spend a little less time working in your
    garden and more time enjoying it?
    Kris Wetherbee and her husband, Rick, a
    photographer, are regular contributors to
    The American Gardener. Their most recent
    book is Attracting Birds, Butterflies &
    Other Wonders to Your Backyard (Lark
    Books, 2005).

    Sidebars:

    SIMPLE FALL TASKS
    Prune out or rake up any diseased
    plant stems or leaves. Discard these
    in the trash or burn them if your
    community allows it.

    Apply a two- to four-inch-thick layer
    of organic mulch to tender shrubs
    and perennials, leaving a mulch-free
    zone of a foot or so around the base of
    deciduous trees, and several inches
    away from hardy shrubs and crowns
    of herbaceous perennial plants. If you
    live in a cold winter region, horticulturists
    advise waiting till the first frost
    before applying mulch.

    If you have a chipper, convert your
    yard trimmings into wood chips that
    can be used as mulch. Chips made
    from freshly trimmed branches should
    be allowed to decompose for a few
    months before they are spread on
    planted beds because they would otherwise
    use up soil nitrogen as they
    break down.

    Instead of focusing on clearing
    things out of the garden, think of early
    fall as a time to add plants and
    other elements that support winter
    wildlife. Consider trees and shrubs
    that offer winter berries for birds;
    cover crops that shelter amphibians,
    nourish soil microorganisms, and reduce
    erosion; add bird feeders and
    baths for resident songbirds.

    Divide and replant mature ornamental
    grasses and herbaceous
    perennials that have developed vigorous
    clumps, show barren and dead
    centers, or whose flowers have become
    less abundant. ÂK.W.

    BREAKING AN UNHEALTHY CYCLE
    Debbie Hillman, a professional gardener in the northern suburbs
    of Chicago, says the ritual of fall cleanupÂpart of what
    she calls an overall "neatness aesthetic" in landscape careÂ
    has led many American homeowners to unwittingly support
    "scraped earth" tactics. "Every fall, homeowners rake up
    every leaf from their yardsÂlawnservice
    crews cut down every
    seed stalk and vacuum up every
    last crumb of loose organic matter,
    serving more as outdoor
    cleaning services than as horticultural
    stewards," she says.

    "In the name of neatness, we
    pay to throw this resource away,
    compounding this folly by the injurious
    techniques we use," she
    adds. "By using leafblowers,
    weÂve given ourselves excruciating
    noise and air pollution. By
    having to truck this Âwaste materialÂ
    ever further away, we use up nonrenewable fuels and
    create more air pollution."

    Hillman urges homeowners who hire landscape crews to
    carefully monitor how they do the fall cleanup. "For several
    years, I tried making suggestions to clients or their lawn
    crews about how to deal with fallen leaves (leave some in
    ground cover or rake them from the lawn into the shrub
    beds), but it didnÂt work," says Hillman. "If I was successful
    in getting the leaves left in the fall, at the first sign of
    spring they would be vacuumed up. Now I make it simple
    for homeowners and landscape crews alike: I tell them to
    stay out of the beds!"

    The benefit to retaining organic
    debris, says Hillman, is
    both environmental and economic.
    Those gardens where
    fallen leaves were allowed to remain,
    she says, "were the ones
    that survived the last two dry
    Chicago winters with little or no
    plant loss; the yards scraped
    clean lost mature trees, shrubs,
    ground covers, etc. on an enormous
    scale, with equally enormous
    replacement costs."

    HillmanÂs strong feelings on
    this topic led her to write an essay that was originally published
    in HortIdeas, an informative gardening newsletter published
    by Greg and Pat Williams of Gravel Switch, Kentucky (for information
    on HortIdeas, visit www.users.mis.net/~gwill). You
    can read HillmanÂs full essay by clicking on the special link to
    this article on the AHS Web site (www.ahs.org). ÂK.W.

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