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| I like goldenrod, but only the kind I see growing wild. The garden center kind looks completely different.
It doesn't seem terribly invasive in the wild here. Can I dig some up, or is that illegal? |
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| There are a number of different species of wild Solidago as well as a number of different cultivars available from nurseries. Some wild goldenrods you would not want in your gardens. |
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| You can ask permission to dig some up. I don't know what kind laceyvail means about not wanting. Some of them can be "spreaders" and I suppose that might be more aggressive than some people want. Try identifying the kind you like then and then looking for that kind (or something similar). |
Here is a link that might be useful: Solidago pictures
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- Posted by joepyeweed 5b IL (My Page) on Wed, Jun 6, 07 at 8:25
| Some of the golden rod, is terribley aggressive and difficult to control. I grow showy goldenrod and zig zag goldenrod. |
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| Perhaps you could share the botanical/scientific names for showy goldenrod and zig zag goldenrod if you find they are not aggressive. Common names can be hard to pin down to a specific one sometimes. That way Laura could look into those particular plants. Goldenrod does spread by underground runners in some cases, but here in Georgia I find them easy to pull up in the garden if needed. That may not be true in other locations. Laura, where are you located? |
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| It is illegal to dig any plant from land you do not own. The most common wild goldenrods are the three veined ones: Canada, Tall and Late. They are tall and aggressive and I would not recommend them for a garden. The garden centre plants have been "improved" by horticulturists for bigger flowers, less spready and so on. If you search out a native plant nursery or grower you may be able to find the native species. Showy (S. speciosa), Stiff (S. rigida) and Gray (S. nemoralis) are nonspready ones for sun. ZigZag (S. flexiculis) and bluestemmed (S. caesia) are good for part shade to shade. |
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| Ooooh, thanks for all the tips! I'm in Raleigh, NC, but I'm also working on a garden for my MIL in Wilmington, NC, near the beach. Soil is sandy, as you'd expect. Thanks for the search link. The ones I saw and liked there like are the Canada canadensis , variety danodensis or Gold Kind. On a foreign site I saw something called Citronella and also crown of rays. Another foreign site showed chilensisis, if I spelled that right. I saw Solidago Baby Gold and liked it, as well as a Little Lemon dansolitlem. A gray one I liked was nemoralid, I believe. I also liked Solidago rugosa Fireworks. So one person said Fireworks was a good one, so that's wonderful, and also recommended a gray one, so that's fabulous. I was very excited about the ones I saw when I went to the search link like Little Lemon and Baby Gold that were a different yellow, but still had the shape I like and the airyness but yet color denseness I like. (Some look so heavy and others are so overly airy that the color doesn't stand out enough). It would be nice to get some tallish ones, like 3-4 feet, and then some of the shorter ones. So far when I've been to garden centers, the only ones I've seen had flatter-shaped blooms instead of the spikey shape. I'm going to look up the Showy, Siff, and bluestemmed varieties that Judy kindly mentioned. It's such a great shortcut to come here and get tips! Thanks! |
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| I can order 3 different ones I'm interested from this place near me. http://www.plantdelights.com/Catalog/Current/page94.html |
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| I did like Solidago caesia. It is different than what I was looking for, but it's neat because the way the flowers are arranged on the stems they remind me of the berries on beauty berry bushes. The rigidata one has flat flowers, which are not what I am looking for. Found this list, useful for those who can't read their own handwriting, LOL: Solidago 'Citronella' And this page: |
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| I would go ahead and dig up a small portion of a wild one that you like. Yes, many goldenrods spread in the garden, but depending on the size of the area you have to fill that might be a good thing. I have lots of goldenrods in my garden and don't find them difficult to control. I simply pull up unwanted shoots in the spring and summer. Digging from public land may be illegal, but there is lots of private land from which you could dig. I doubt you'll find many landowners who will mind you carefully digging plants. The nice thing about spreading plants like goldenrods is that you can dig some and leave the rest, so you don't remove the original. Digging a trillium or orchid from the woods leaves the woods without the plant you have taken. Dividing a goldenrod barely even sets the goldenrod back much since it will quickly fill in the gap you create. Also, it is common practice in may states to spray roadsides and powerlines with herbicide, so i don't feel guilty collecting a few starts when the original is likely to be destroyed soon. |
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| Canadensis is an aggressive spreader, I would avoid it. For the various cultivars you mention (all the names in ""), be sure to ask for the latin name which will tell you which goldenrod was the parent and will provide clues to ultimate size and agressiveness. Flexiculis and caesia are for part shade to shade, not full sun, so be careful siting them. Digging from private land without landowner consent is illegal, no matter how carefully you dig or what plant you take. You must ask the landowner for permission before trespassing to look for plants as well as for permission to dig and remove plants from the land. |
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| I use 'Fireworks' at the mailbox. It doesn't get a lot of water and hasn't spread much in the two years it has been there. It is just starting to bloom in this picture. I think it paired well with the Lobelia cardinalis. You can also see ebony spleenwort, broad beech fern and 'Dale's Strain' heuchera there. Penstemon and mouse eared coreopsis are the spring bloomers in the group (not seen here).
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| Flexiculis and caesia are for part shade to shade, not full sun, so be careful siting them. That's great news! I have plenty of room on one shaded side yard. Thanks. Fireworks with that lobelia is wonderful. Thanks for sharing that picture. |
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