Thanks all--I will get a close up of the leaf later this am. Kumquat is a thought that I had -- I had a kumquat tree in the front yard many years ago when I lived out west--but these are much larger and shaped differently than any kumquat I ever saw. And I don't remember if they were as tart - these really are like biting into a lemon. That description of the Meiwa does seem to match pretty closely--even a few of the pics, although most seem to still have that oval shape. I ate the peel rather inadvertently! It was so firm to the flesh and so thin that I couldn't tear it away -- once I found that it was tasty I just went with eating it instead of destroying the fruit trying to get it off. Oh, clementines are my favorite! I did get a sack of smaller than usual and more tart ones at Aldi this past winter -- hmmm. I don't think these could have stayed on the tree much longer to get sweeter--they are really quite soft--but I really have no idea.

Hi Trilliumway, Rick here. Here are 3 great places: The Country Garden, 3712 Consaul Rd., Schenectady, NY, near Mohawk Commons Glenville Gardens, 20 Pine St., Glenville, NY 518-393-0905 GlenvilleGardens@aol.com (e-mail for plant list) Glenbrook Farm, Glen NY See website at www.glenbrookplants.com Country Garden has 75-100 or so varieties, very nice plants, good prices, lots of other plants too. Normal business hours for a garden center. Glenville Gardens is the small operation of a hosta fanatic, Dave Jennings. I've been buying from him for 5 years or so. He carries around 150 for sale and has around 400 growing on his property. He is open by appointment in the evenings or when he has Open Houses on weekends. Well worth the trip to see his garden. You can see what the plants look like when they mature. E-mail him for more info. Glenville is across the river from Schenectady. Glenbrook Farm is a large mail-order hosta nursery near Canajoharie and the Mohawk River. There website has a link on the Hosta Library webpage. www.glenbrookplants.com You would also need to contact them for an appointment to go in person instead of mail-order, but they welcome and enjoy customers at the farm, which is way out in the country. The owner gave me an extended tour when I showed some interest and knowledge of hosta. They have over 500 varities for sale on the website. I'll plug a few mail-order favorites while I'm at it. I've gotten good plants from White Oak as you did; also from Kuk's Forest, the Hosta Farm, Walden West, Wade Gardens, and New Hampshire Hosta. Enjoy your garden! Mine is starting to look great this year, now that I've had 5-6 years in the same shady backyard.

I have bought for yrs from willis have i always been happy, no but it is i wanted my stuff now instead of when it was to be delivered(per shipping) out of over $1500 worth of items maybe $75 worth died, but where replaced when (ucg) the next shipping time. I still buy my plants were small, but next yr i got fruit or berries will buy again. Now tyty i will NEVER use again when i read this i thought for sure they meant tyty not willis orchard

Kentucky - I have been trying to figure out how to make some raised beds- or raised pots for the front yard landscaping. I don't want the look of basic garden vegetable beds for around the front of the house though. I thought maybe I could dig 2 ft hole and put a 2 ft raised planter on top of it, that night work. I iam also thinking about making very big planters (they are ridiculously expensive to buy. I am not sure about the aestetic for my front landscaping, but after considering many materials and my craftsmanship capabilities I have a plan. I will just have to try it and see how it looks. It could sit above ground, part in ground or in ground. My design is 2"x2" wood frame cube (or taller) dark cedar stained (ECO friendly and plant safe). Side and bottom panels of 1" hardware cloth. Inner lining of natural burlap. It would sit on 8" concrete blocks (in ground) with the hole side up foradditional drainage. Inside bottom filled with river rocks then another lining of burlap to contain the soil and the plant and finally mulch on top, of course. It would have to be big enough to allow 3'x3' space for the roots to grow in the soil area. Again, the aestetic is the probelm (aside form all the hard work and digging). I think it wold look descent but odd. To build a retaining wall for the space under the front window of the house would not look right eiterh at the height I need it to be. I think the real solution is to pay for a backhoe to come in here and excavate the clay and then have new soil put in - way too expensive for me right now. I do have one narrow strip on the west side of the front yard that I am lining with concrete blocks to build up that soil area. I plan on very tall trellises lining that hill (all my land is hilly) and covering them with rose and jasmine vines as a privacy fence. The probelm is the area is part shade - never sunny and that is not goo for any of the plants I like. I bought the Charles Darrow Hybrid Musk for that location as it is reported by others to grow and bloom very well in shade. I also have some varieties of Jasmine that might do in that spot. I am also thinking of Camelias and Sky Pencil Holly. My Hollies are about 1ft tall now. It will be years before they grow big enough.