Hello ealoudermilk1! Good luck with your new garden. I'm familiar with most of your roses and all the ones I know I love. Are you aware that 'Souv. de Mme. Leonie Viennot' will try to eat whatever structure you put it on? My plant is grafted, was planted in really bad soil (think white concrete), and took several years to get going. Now she has overwhelmed her 8' tall by 5' wide (pentagonal floor plan) pergola and is casting languishing glances at the black locust nearby. I don't dare let her climb it, as the locust is quite likely approaching the end of its life and overhangs a power line. Anyway, I think you will be wise to allow the Madame a generous amount of space. Enjoy your new roses! Melissa

I think you all nailed it with Constance Spry! Now for Mystery Rose #2! I hope it's ok if I put this in the same thread, I couldn't edit the original post so just let me know if you think I need to make a new post. This rose is growing in an interesting situation and because of that I didn't find it until the 2nd early fall after I moved into my house. It absolutely pops in the fall and because of where it is it blooms even in the snow!!! I'm not sure if it was done on purpose or if it's an accident but I'd love not only an id but also opinions on what I should do with him too please! Should I move him to a sunnier spot? Should I keep him where he is and prune back the Japanese Maple a lot more? He's obviously being protected by the maple in the winter and I believe I might've had more blooms maybe even into Jan. if I had protected him from the rabbits. As far as the bloom, it's a very vibrant red with a touch of white towards the middle or on the edge of some of the petals? It's hard to describe but there is at least one tiny stripe of white in there on every bloom. I think it has a chalice shape but I'm going to defer to you, the experts on that! Here he is: The most current shot: A few in fall when I could get closer to him: And winter during a snow storm: During our first big snow last winter I was walking around my gardens taking picture of my last blooms completely covered in a heavy snow and ice when I saw a red, red bloom practically glowing in all of that white. I was totally not expecting this! It was absolutely enchanting. I probably could've gotten better pictures of it in the snow, but it was literally snowing when I took these pictures, plus it was in Dec. and we don't have a lot of light here at that time. Really it's quite breathtaking to see nothing but white in a landscape and this red rose peeking out! Unfortunately the deer or rabbits found it equally attractive because they ate it down to a nub the night after I took those last pictures, But it came right back this spring (see first picture).

Yes, some sort of dark leaved, hardy, upright sedum (now Hylotelephium). There are literally hundreds of cultivars.

I don't see why the stems would stay Pokey sInce I would grind those in my little great old coffee grinder.. the leaves I put inn Jars when finished air drying Thanks y'all PS... Just say no to the ones who want us not to enjoy the fruit of our labor.