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Extending the Fall Season
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Posted by Claire z6b MA Coastal (My Page) on Sat, Aug 7, 04 at 9:56
| I'm going to be building an addition to the family house in Plymouth, MA this fall/winter. I've been moving my houseplants out of NYC and up to Plymouth; the last migration will happen next week. They'll live outdoors as long as possible.
The problem is that there's very little room in the old house for the houseplants. Granted they're used to being squashed into a tiny NYC apartment (excluding the office plants), but it wasn't good for them.
I'm hoping for a traditional coastal late, warm Fall (unfortunately this is a rotten year for warm), so I can leave them outside until the nights get too cold for them.
A greenhouse would be too expensive right now. I'm wondering if anyone has any experience with cold frames/ hoops, etc. in the fall?
I've got a lot of houseplants, and some of them are big cane begonias, so I can't use a small cold frame. Unfortunately, the construction will take place on the sheltered south side of the house, so I can't fashion a leanto there. It just occurred to me that maybe I can tuck them behind the azaleas next to the foundation on the west side (non of them require full sun)...
Eventually I'll have to bring them in, but I want to minimize their agony indoors.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Claire |
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RE: Extending the Fall Season
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- Posted by Cady 6b/Sunset34 MA (My Page) on
Mon, Aug 9, 04 at 14:17
| Gardener's Supply (in VT) was selling mini greenhouses, some of which were made of soft vinyl and fit on a deck or porch. They also had more permanent-looking mini greenhouses that are 4X6. You might want to take a look at their online catalog. |
RE: Extending the Fall Season
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| WElcome to the frozen north .. . it may be colder here than you may think ... check local weather conditions for your area ,, that cold frame may not be enough the plants would do better cut back and cramped indoors. |
RE: Extending the Fall Season
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- Posted by Claire z6b MA Coastal (My Page) on
Mon, Aug 9, 04 at 20:02
Cady: Thanks! I looked at the Gardener's Supply on-line catalog and found one possibility, the "pop-up" model (see link). The problem with most of the small ones is that they assume my houseplants are nice, small, well-mannered plants that fit on multi-shelves. Unfortunately, many of mine are old, big plants, the shrubs of indoor plants, and they laugh at shelves. These are the kinds of houseplants that have to stoop when they come in doorways. The pop-up though is empty space and just might work. I could mount it on the deck which has morning light, but unfortunately is subject to winds off the Bay. Pray for no hurricanes! michaelzz: Plymouth MA is not really "frozen north", although last winter was tough. Usually winters come late and are rather wimpy. I certainly don't intend to leave the plants out all winter, I'm just trying to play the odds hoping the new addition will get closed in before it gets too cold. I've been watching the temperature reports - I know most of my plants can handle nights going down to 50F easily and some of them 45F without damage, so long as it warms up during the daytime. The tender ones will go inside early on. I'm hoping to set up a micro-environment where the internal temperature will stay in the upper 40's at night even if it gets to 40F outside. I just remembered today that I have some old styrofoam containers that I can use to insulate the pots. I'm not prepared right now to cut the plants back drastically - that's a last resort. -Claire |
Here is a link that might be useful: Gardener's Supply Pop-up Greenhouse
RE: Extending the Fall Season
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- Posted by Donn_ Z 7, seaside,NY (My Page) on
Thu, Aug 12, 04 at 6:54
| Make a temporary coldframe out of bales of hay/straw, with a cover of an old storm door, or a sheet of lucite, or, as a last resort, a double layer of heavy clear plastic dropcloth. There are tricks for keeping it warmer inside, like jugs of water which absorb heat during the day, and give it off at night. Put a sensor from a cheap wireless indoor/outdoor thermometer inside the frame to monitor temps. |
RE: Extending the Fall Season
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- Posted by Claire z6b MA Coastal (My Page) on
Thu, Aug 12, 04 at 19:54
Donn: I ordered the Gardener's Supply Pop-up Greenhouse already, because I was afraid they might be sold out soon, but I may use the hay bales/jugs of water for warmth. The sensor for the thermometer is a great idea. I had planned to drive up my remaining houseplants on Sunday - naturally there's a hurricane threatening to follow the same route on the same day! -Claire |
RE: Extending the Fall Season
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- Posted by Cady 6b/Sunset34 MA (My Page) on
Mon, Aug 16, 04 at 12:10
| I'm glad the pop-up greenhouse was the solution. Gardener's Supply has practical stuff, and is a great problem solver. As for concerns about strong winds blowing it over, you might be able to secure the greenhouse by placing weights on the inside, resting on the internal frame. You could even build a wooden frame, like a corral, around it - using 2X4s. |
RE: Extending the Fall Season
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- Posted by Claire z6b MA Coastal (My Page) on
Wed, Aug 18, 04 at 19:56
| Cady: Just opened up the greenhouse today to check it out. The thing is amazing! Constructed more like a tent than a greenhouse. It has ground stakes, high wind tie-downs, and little portals for electric cords or hoses. You can put a heater in it. There's an apron skirt around the bottom and they recommend putting weights on it. It comes in a carrying case and is fairly easy to assemble. Unfortunately, it's a bear to fold up and store away. I think it may be a fine solution for my problem. -Claire |
Here is a link that might be useful: self-erecting greenhouse
RE: Extending the Fall Season
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< michaelzz: Plymouth MA is not really "frozen north", although last winter was tough. Usually winters come late and are rather wimpy. I certainly don't intend to leave the plants out all winter, I'm just trying to play the odds hoping the new addition will get closed in before it gets too cold.> Rather wimpy ? oh .... it's just that if you have them outside and then move them indoors, back in to warm, dry air it is a shock to them ... a good thing is to move them indoors before the heat is turned on .. due to space limitations i understand ..... best of luck and lets hope for a late. warm winter ... |
RE: Extending the Fall Season
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- Posted by Claire z6b MA Coastal (My Page) on
Sat, Aug 21, 04 at 9:22
| michaelzz: Good point about bringing them back into warm dry air - I hadn't thought about that. I'll be sure to ease them into it, probably keep them in a cool breezeway (once it's built) for a while before going into the main living space. Luckily I like temperatures on the cool side myself, and it tends to be humid here. -Claire |
RE: Extending the Fall Season
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- Posted by Cady 6b/Sunset34 MA (My Page) on
Sat, Aug 21, 04 at 22:52
Claire, Sounds like the pop-up greenhouse manufacturers thought of every possible disaster that Nature could unleash, and provided a solution for it. lol |
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