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Gorgeous weeping atl blue cedar too close to house --help!

Posted by flyleft (My Page) on
Sat, Oct 31, 09 at 15:57

We're in the PDX suburbs, and have reluctantly come to the admission that this gorgeous weeping atlantic blue cedar, which is doing exactly what it's supposed to be doing and is such a beauty, is just planted too close to the house. WE DIDN'T DO IT, just so people know -- we would never have planted it there, nor would we have planted most things where our home's previous owner would have--I spent most of the first year moving things to their proper places. We've been too irrationally optimistic, though, about this tree, since it's so visible right next to our front door.

So we have to remove it. But I'm wondering -- is there any possibility that it could be saved and transplanted somewhere else? We don't really have room for it anywhere, but if anyone would want a free weeping Atlantic blue cedar, you're welcome to it. It's about 6" in diameter at this point. It's pretty two-dimensional right now, since it was planted so close to the house, but it's starting to reach out more to the side so it would have dimensionality if you want it.

OR, do we just have to hack it up and somehow do in the roots? What is the best way to go about this, anyway? I've never done this with a tree located in a place like this before -- we did once in NC when we lived there, but our neighbor hooked the trunk of the tree up to his truck and pulled, once we'd root-pruned it as far as we could with pickaxes. This is too far from the road for that.

Thanks in advance for any advice on this. If you're interested, we're on the west side and I can give you details via e-mail.


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RE: Gorgeous weeping atl blue cedar too close to house --help!

  • Posted by bboy USDA 8 Sunset 5 WA (My Page) on
    Sat, Oct 31, 09 at 18:37

These can be pruned and trained into various shapes. Are you sure you can't just work with it where it is?


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Thanks for your reply...unfortunately it's not the above-ground part that's the problem, it's the below-ground, the roots, that are starting to push up the walk right at the corner of the house and we're afraid it will eventually affect the foundation as well. When I say "too close", I mean 2 ft from the house, seriously. I have *no idea* what she was thinking. She also put a beautiful sango kaku jap. maple on the other corner of the house; I haven't noticed the same trouble with the roots yet, but I suppose it's inevitable. These trees are *gorgeous* and yet they may very well ruin the foundation...WHY couldn't she have planted them maybe 5' further out?!

So knowing that, do you have any thoughts on how to go about murdering the poor thing or possibly giving it to someone and saving its life?


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  • Posted by bboy USDA 8 Sunset 5 WA (My Page) on
    Sat, Oct 31, 09 at 21:35

Unless your foundation is not very well built probably neither one of these trees is likely to bother it. The maple is a small tree and the cedar, although able to grow large over a long period of time could be pruned successfully by someone who knows how.

The lifting of the walk could probably be addressed by/indicate a need for replacement of the walk. Without seeing the situation I can't tell what approach would make the most sense.

Transplanting is not likely to be possible, based on what it sounds like the situation is.


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bboy, bboy...are you serious? If so, I'm incredibly excited...I almost dare not believe you...so you're saying that the tree roots could affect the front walk but not the foundation?

(the cedar's big brother, an upright atl. blue, cracked the walk farther down the driveway...the tree was felled by a wind, strangely enough, but we are going to have to replace that part of the walk, definitely. And then when we saw the crack up by the weeping, we figured that we had to get rid of it, too.

I'm completely fine with the way it's growing *above* ground, but below ground I was very concerned.

Or am I misreading what you're writing and you're saying that the crack up by the weeping isn't caused by the tree? Thanks so much for your replies, btw. I very much respect your experience and opinion on this.


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I agree with bboy - because of its very directional habit, this is one selection of conifer that can be grown quite close to a structure. And yes, what he stated about foundational damage is true. Unless the foundation is not structurally sound, it is highly unlikely ANY tree roots can damage it.

Walkways, drives and patios are a bit different. Because they are constructed of relatively thin slabs or individual pavers, they are more easily lifted, cracked or damaged by roots growing close to the surface. Sometimes just altering the placement of the walkway can provide a solution or replacing the walkway with another material.

A photo of the tree placement would help to visualize the situation but I doubt I'd consider anything as radical as moving the tree.


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Yes, transplanting is probably not a valid option, and killing it would be a shame. I'd look at rerouting the walkway myself, to prevent the tree lifting it again in the future. Or replace with gravel or individual pavers, and train the tree to grow over the walkway in a tunnel ...


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Thanks gardengal & reg -- it's a *very* happy day around this house :) Re a different surface: a bit tricky given our situation. I'll take a pic and I'd really appreciate any thoughts. We're planning to put permeable pavers out by where the big tree was, but close to the house, under the roof, it just seems that concrete is what's needed...maybe I'm not thinking of something and someone else can come up with an alternative?


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  • Posted by bboy USDA 8 Sunset 5 WA (My Page) on
    Sun, Nov 1, 09 at 14:56

>the tree was felled by a wind, strangely enough<

Most grafted conifers (and much other nursery stock) sold here prove to be rootbound when examined. A type like a blue Atlas cedar that forms a large heavy top fairly early in life may topple over because of the inadequate anchorage provided by roots deformed by careless container culture.


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Flyleft, I don't like having big plants next to the house. There are all sorts of problems. And I too can't stand to kill them. So I procrastinate for a couple of years, and then I take the chain saw to them. Just harden your heart and do it. There is no good solution.


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  • Posted by bboy USDA 8 Sunset 5 WA (My Page) on
    Sun, Nov 1, 09 at 17:02

We don't have enough information to be sure that is necessary.


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The problems with large plants planted close to structures are not uniform - what may be an issue in the future in one case will pose no problem with another. And 'large' is relative, as is 'close' - a regular blue atlas cedar in the same location may create issues, a weeping form or columnar aroborvitae, etc. may not. In this case, removal is not necessarily warranted. Training, pruning or other methods of directional control may be all that is required.


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thanks again for your all's replies...here are two photos. I was going to take more but of course right at that moment my battery died. I hope these can show enough to get an idea. The trunk of the tree is to the left of the first 2x4 (still unpainted -- we added it last summer). There was already a support structure built for it to go across the window when we got here. The second shows the weeping *and* the cracks in the sidewalk where the upright was before it came down. We think it would be fine to put the eco-pavers down at the second spot, but what to do about the concrete up by the house...

bboy, it wasn't a case of toppling over from the root -- it broke about 8' up, just sheared. My guess is that the tight crotches made it weak, like bradford pears, and it sheared open where the first big branch came off the trunk.

Thanks in advance for any thoughts.


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No photos attached :-)


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O.K., that's what I get for doing 5 things at once...

Here is a link that might be useful: Sorry! Two pics here.


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  • Posted by bboy USDA 8 Sunset 5 WA (My Page) on
    Thu, Nov 5, 09 at 12:13

That modern building is liable to have a pretty secure foundation, unless somebody did a gyp job. I'd keep the tree, figuring that at some point in the future somebody can just cut it down should the trunk end up pressed against the building or some other cause for concern develop.


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Thanks, bboy... and yes, I am wondering about how big the trunk will get -- saw a jawdroppingly beautiful *huge-trunked* specimen on the PCC Sylvania campus recently which is partly what precipitated this post. One can't prune the trunk, but maybe the location will limit the growth of our tree such that the trunk will never get that large. Right.

Do you or does anyone have any ideas about how to fix the sidewalk up near the house? If we redo it as regular sidewalk, which would probably be best unless there's an alternative I don't know (we don't want to put the ecopavers right up close to the door), will it just crack again?


 
 

 

 


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