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Yuletide Camellia dropping buds

Bay Area Gardener
13 years ago

Hi,

I have a Camellia Yuletide planted on the south side of my house in full sun and I have been able to observe it over two winters. Both times, I noticed a large number of buds forming in late November. Come December though, all these buds start dropping. Last year, I did not get a single flower and it would appear I am on track for a repeat performance this year.

In addition, the leaves are turning a dark brown (pictures attached). I am not sure if the two issues are related - any help would be greatly appreciated.

Picture of the leaves:

Pic of the buds on the ground:

Comments (14)

  • reg_pnw7
    13 years ago

    Sunburn on the leaves, could have been caused by the sunny weather we had briefly during the cold spell. Being hit by the sun while the ground is frozen can cause significant damage, even to plants that are normally very cold hardy. And, camellias are not really south-facing-wall kind of plants. They'll take full sun in our cool cloudy climate IF it's not reflected off hard surfaces like walls or asphalt AND the plant is well watered through the summer.

    Bud drop is often caused by botrytis fungus in cool damp weather, but sunburn and drought could do the same.

  • jean001
    13 years ago

    Even though that does resemble sunburn, my cold-damaged sasanqua camellias look the same. And buds are dropping like mad, either on their own or at the slightest touch.

  • Bay Area Gardener
    Original Author
    13 years ago

    reg_pnw: The camellia has the hottest part of the yard: there is a kitchen directly behind it and a concrete patio not too far away.

    If this is sunburn, will the leaves recover by themselves over spring? If I had to transplant it, what is the best time to do it and what kind of exposure would you recommend? The plant is about 4 feet tall and is otherwise healthy.

    jean001: Interesting. Did you get any flowers last year? The 2009 winter (Seattle area) was extremely dry (and sunny) too.

  • jean001
    13 years ago

    You asked "If this is sunburn, will the leaves recover by themselves over spring?""

    Short answer: No.

    As for flowers at my place last year, same thing occurred, but with 3 successive freezes which occurred later in the year than this November blast. Then, the more exposed of the two camellias lost some buds with the first two freezes but all the rest were wiped out with the 3rd. This year, that camellia still has some viable buds. Will wait & see what happens next. I'm not really worried though because we bought a different house and will be moving December 27!

  • Embothrium
    13 years ago

    Plant got frosted last month.

  • Embothrium
    13 years ago

    To avoid sun damage during trying weather susceptible broad-leaved evergreens are actually better off on the north side of the house than the south. Exceptions to this would be southern magnolia, Euonymus japonicus and other hot climate types that may need the warmth of a sunny wall during summer to give the best results on many sites here. Since camellias flower during frosty times of the year and the flowers are liable to be browned if the sun hits them when the petals are frozen planting sites that are shaded during low temperatures are needed. A full south exposure is liable to be quite unsuitable.

  • Bay Area Gardener
    Original Author
    13 years ago

    bboy: Thank you very much for the advice and insight, as always. The plant is small so moving it should not be too much of a chore.

  • Embothrium
    13 years ago

    'Yuletide' is thought to belong to Camellia x vernalis - making it half C. japonica - and perhaps therefore more needful of some shade than some other Sasanqua* camellias prevalent at outlets here.

    *Most cultivars offered here and grouped under this name are actually hybrids involving other species

  • Embothrium
    13 years ago

    They've got 'Kanjiro' blooming impressively (under cover) at Sky right now. This selection is said to be a good do-er. Another Sasanqua camellia that is also part of the regular mix offered at garden centers here these days, but has been in addition noticed by yours truly succeeding in local plantings is 'Setsugekka'. I've had to climb a ladder to prune a free-standing specimen of this variety in the Laurelhurst neighborhood. Since it is white it may actually be a true (non-hybrid) Camellia sasanqua cultivar.

    Here is a link that might be useful: Sky

  • lumper20
    12 years ago

    The plant came with directions for shade except early morning sun. Have you checked the soil PH? I am new to camelia planting, no expert, and I have not had any brown leaves yet. My buds are the size of the ones that fell off. I can clearly see the red buds getting more dominant.

  • lumper20
    12 years ago

    �Camellia brown leaf or sunscald is the result of too much direct sunlight. Scorched or brown leaves on camellia plants do not usually recover. Avoid planting in direct sun. If necessary, transplant to a shadier location.
    �Bud drop occurs when plants receive too much or too little water, insufficient light, or extreme cold temperatures. They may also suffer from nutrient deficiencies or mite problems. Unopened buds typically drop off plant prior to blooming and may turn brown.

  • Bay Area Gardener
    Original Author
    12 years ago

    Interesting to see this thread resurrected after a year :)

    So just as everyone on this thread mentioned, the leaves scalded by sunburn did drop over the winter and were replaced by new ones over the spring. The buds did all fall without developing to the flower stage. I am waiting to see if anything happens this year again (the buds are again about the same size as in the original photo); I am not super worried even if I get no flowers as the plant seems well established - it seems to survive well with little watering during our summer drought.

  • HU-583508881
    3 years ago

    My Yuletide camellia directions said no direct sun, just filtered sun.