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could this be right?

Posted by ezzirah011 7a (My Page) on
Sun, Feb 7, 10 at 7:32

I am looking at the OSU extension planting dates, thinking of the weather that is moving in and wondering if this is wrong....

are the dates given in the calendar that I have linked below correct???? can't be.....

http://pods.dasnr.okstate.edu/docushare/dsweb/Get/Document-1092/HLA-6004web.pdf


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RE: could this be right?

  • Posted by rjj1 Norman OK Zone7 (My Page) on
    Sun, Feb 7, 10 at 9:06

I don't see anything there out of the ordinary. But I'm not a real big veggie gardener. Dawn in the southernmost part of Oklahoma should be planting earlier than Jay in northwest part of the state.

You have to be flexible based on current temperature trends. There will be years you may plant 3 weeks earlier than you might this year because of those trends.

randy


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RE: could this be right?

Ezzirah,

Technically, the dates given in the guide are correct and are based on many years of record-keeping and research. I have the utmost respect for all the data presented in the OSU fact sheets. However, Oklahoma is a state with a wide range of weather and everything we see in official publications is based on averages and probabilities. So, the dates given ought to work for the average gardener in the average year.

As Randy pointed out, the planting dates are a range of dates and the earliest dates are for those in far southeastern OK and the latest dates are for those in far northwestern OK, and everyone in between chooses a date between those two depending on how far north, south, east or west they are.

Having said all that, I do not consider this to be an average year. Because of the El Nino Southern Oscillation, we are experiencing weather that is colder than average and wetter than average in pretty much all parts of the state. Because of that, I think it would be wise to wait a couple more weeks before planting anything.

If there is anyone who could be planting right now, it would be Diane and others in southeastern OK or possibly me down here in southcentral OK less than 10 miles north of the Red River or Melissia who is a county east or northeast of me. As far as I know, none of us have any plans to put anything in the ground this week because the ground itself is too wet and too cold and we have rain/snow in the forecast for at least a couple of days this week.

If we do not get a lot of rain this week, I plan to plant my onion plants next week. They'll be in a raised bed above grade so they'll have better drainage and be less likely to rot or freeze in the cold, wet ground. If we get a lot of moisture this week, I'll be likely to postpone my onion-planting from approx. Feb. 15-16 to about Feb. 22-23. A lot depends on what this week's storms bring us and also what is in the forecast for the week after that. Potatoes need to go into the ground here shortly after that.

If I had to guess right now, I'd say that my cool-season plantings are likely to go into the ground 2-4 weeks later than the first date given for each variety on the OSU guide and it is all because of the weather.

I hope this info helps.

If you have questions about specific veggies, ask and we'll try to answer.

Some cool-season veggies can be started indoors in seed flats or paper cups and transplanted outside after the weather improves a tiny bit. Dorothy, for example, starts her peas inside (on her sunporch, I think) and translants them outside with they're a few weeks old. Many of us start our broccoli plants inside under lights and then harden them off and transplant them outside when they are 3-5 weeks old.

I think this is probably the coldest, wettest winter we've had in our part of the state since our family moved here in 1999, and I am adjusting my planting dates accordingly.

Finally, to give some perspective about how much planting dates can vary, I'll use tomatoes as an example. In our warmest and driest winter/early spring weather, I have transplanted tomato plants into the ground as early as March 7th or so and, by covering them up on maybe 5 or 6 'late' freezing nights, I didn't lose any of them and they produced just fine. In our coldest/wettest spring (2009) I had to postpone planting because of the weather and got some of the plants in the ground in early April but others were not transplanted until latest April or early May. (The 12.84" of rain that fell in one day last April put a sudden stop to all my planting and really disrupted my schedule.) The onions and potatoes that were planted during the OSU range of dates struggled both with excess moisture in April and late freezes. So, you have to be flexible here and make planting decisions based more on the weather than on the recommended dates.

Dawn


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Yep, I agree on holding back with the planting out this year. Boo for the icky weather. I will be trying to plant out some onions today but it's into a raised bed -- really raised. The bed is 5' high so drains very well. And we live on the side of a south-facing hill so there are a couple of advantages to that. My lower garden is at the bottom of the hill, the start of the valley, next to our pond, so it stays muddy far longer. It also gets cooler and frosts when our raised wellhouse bed and kitchen garden up here are relatively warm. All sorts of microclimates to be found here!

Diane


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Diane,

You have a bed raised 5' high? WOW!

Dawn


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It's on a slope and the low end is over 5' high. Lemme see if I can find a pic to link...

Not finding a good one. I'll take one this afternoon because there's just no describing it.

Diane


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Thanks a lot everyone for the advice, it is greatly appreciated!

Dawn - Some times I wonder if your fingers get tired with all the typing! But you are right I have to think in terms of "around" what ever date they give, depending on the weather. I want to start from seed, I didn't think it was this early, but it looks like I still have time, some good news in this icky weather.

Diane - Holy cow! 5'!


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Here are a couple of pics of what I refer to as the "wellhouse garden". Excuse the piles -- hubby's forever building things and piles form randomly around the "yard". LOL

The building is multicolored because we build most things from scrap. One of these days, we'll get it all painted the same.

Diane


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Diane,

OK, now I understand about the bed that's raised 5'. I've seen the bottom photo before and just love the way you used the stepping stones.

Your DH is so talented at building and welding. I know you'll be glad when the house and all is finished and just think how wonderful it will be that y'all did it all yourselves! It isn't just a house and a homestead...it is an adventure.

Dawn


 
 

 

 


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