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Posted by mulberryknob z6OK (My Page) on Sun, Oct 18, 09 at 15:49
| Years ago someone gave me the seed of a meal corn called Bloody Butcher (Hate the name but that's what I was told it was.) It was, of course, solid red. I since lost the seed but would like to try it again. Does anyone know where to find this seed? And does anyone know if it really was as good as I remember it being? And how far will I need to keep it from the hybrid Kandy Korn that we raise for the grandkids in either space or time of planting? |
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RE: Bloody Butcher Corn?
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| Dorothy, Bloody Butcher is normally available from Victory Seeds or Seed Savers Exchange. It usually produces red ears, sometimes reddish-pink, or sometimes with an odd reddish-purplish kernel here or there. It is very decorative, and I have grown it only for autumn decorations, so can't comment on its flavor. When I did grow it...and it has been several years ago....it was very tall and produced huge ears. Technically, to prevent corn from cross-pollination, you have to isolate your corn by 2 miles from any other corn. In the real world where I live, though, I grow two separate varieties 30' apart with no problems, but I don't save seed. To save seed, plant them as far apart as you can and put something like a double or triple row of thickly-planted sunflowers (maybe Jerusalem artichokes), grain amaranth,lion's tail or something similar between the two types of corn to try to prevent wind-blown cross-pollination. You also could use time isolation. Plant your Kandy Korn at its normal time and wait several weeks (I like to wait until the earlier corn is at least knee-high and growing well) and then plant the later corn with the longer DTM. If logic prevails, the early corn will pollinate first and, later on, the later corn will pollinate. Logic doesn't always win out, though, because the weather can do illogical things....like it can turn cold and stall the early corn causing late pollination, or the heat/warmer soil can speed up the later corn and cause it to tassel and silk earlier than you had expected. Most years, though, I've found time isolation works as long as I don't plant the second variety any earlier than about a month after the first one. Here in southern OK, I like to get the early corn in the ground near the end of March and the later one in the ground near the end of April. Once you first corn has pollinated, you want for the tassels to be through shedding pollen before the silks emerge on the late corn. Some people remove the tassels from the early corn once all the ears are pollinated so there isn't any stray pollen left lying around to pollinate the silks of the late corn. Obviously, you could hand-pollinate your later corn and bag the ears but it is a tremendous amount of work (but only for about 2-3 days or maybe up to a week if the silks are not emerging all at once). George probably can tell you how much distance he uses for isolation I haven't had any trouble in time isolation but that might be more because of luck than anything else. Dawn |
RE: Bloody Butcher Corn?
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| I may have found BB. I was in WM the other day and saw three huge ears of dried corn labeled Indian Corn. One looked like BB. The others were one a tan-yellowish and one brown tones. I bought them for 2.99 and am right now testing them. If they germinate, I will throw them in the freezer and see what I get next year. If they don't, I will shell them and grind with my next grinding of corn. |
RE: Bloody Butcher Corn?
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| Cool! I saw the same bundles of dried corn at Wal-Mart earlier in the week and the red ears do look a lot like BB! I hope they germinate for you. Dawn |
RE: Bloody Butcher Corn?
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| I plant the two corns I grow about 300' apart, but more importantly, I stagger their planting times so that they are not tasseling at the same time. Corn, which is not sweet, generally has a much heavier pollen, so, for many purposes Dawn's spacing will work. Sweet corn pollen "floats" a lot further. But for long term maintenance of a variety, one really should give lots and lots of space isolation, probably more than most people in suburban settings can do. But in my opinion, it is better to grow it and try saving seed than not do it at all. George |
RE: Bloody Butcher Corn?
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| Yay! It Sprouted! So in the freezer it goes to await next growing season. |
RE: Bloody Butcher Corn?
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| Dorothy, if you want to save seed and keep it going, then try to pick up a couple more of those. Seed from just one ear is seed from just one plant, and that's a genetic bottleneck, which I hear, is pretty bad. George |
RE: Bloody Butcher Corn?
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| Dorothy, The genetic bottleneck George mentioned is called 'inbreeding depression' and it can be a big issue when saving seeds of O-P corn. Basically, if corn is not saved from enough different ears from different plants, then undesirable traits quickly begin to appear in the corn--and in can happen in one year's time. The undesirable traits include shorter plants, lowered yields and delayed production. If you have see inbreeding depression appear in your plants, you're supposed to pull out and destroy the affected plants and not save seed from them, because inbreeding depression is irreversible. Dawn |
RE: Bloody Butcher Corn?
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| Thanks, you two. As usual, you are a fount of information. I'll look for some more. |
RE: Bloody Butcher Corn?
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| Ok, what if I planted some seed from each of the three different ears? I wouldn't get all red ears but I'm thinking of eating it anyway so it doesn't matter. |
RE: Bloody Butcher Corn?
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| Well, George might be able to tell you something like how likely you'd be to see inbreeding depression from only three ears, but I cannot. I do know that if you are saving seed of a rare breed in order to perpetuate the variety in the best way possible in a home garden, you're supposed to have a minimum of 200 plants and save seed from as many of those plants as is reasonably possible. |
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