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Posted by mulberryknob z6OK (My Page) on Fri, Oct 23, 09 at 21:33
| On an earlier thread the mention of Vit D came up. I have gardened all summer in shorts and short sleeves, but my blood tests, one taken in April and one in Sept showed that my D levels just barely came up. My Dr said some people don't "convert" sunlight to Vit D well and recommended that I take 3000 IU a day and come back in 6 months.
Vit D is involved in immune health as well as bone health. Beginning about a year ago I started taking 1000 IU a day 4-5 days a week in addition to the 400 IU in my multi. Last winter was the first in many years that I only had 1 cold for the winter--and that in late March. And after all that I was still deficient.
So all you gardeners who think you're getting Vit D from working out in the sun without sunscreen, maybe not. More Drs are taking notice and ordering blood tests.
And DH who has been taking even more Vit D than me was in the low low normal range, so she recommended that he also up his dosage to 3000 IU a day.
For what it's worth. |
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RE: The Sun didn't do it for me.
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| Dorothy, Tim and I have begun taking vitamin D too, and I think it may be keeping us healthier. At least, I hope it is. Dawn |
RE: The Sun didn't do it for me.
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| I took too much Vitamin D, and it made me sick. You don't get too much through the sun, but you do through the pills. A,D,K are the three vitamins that will stay in your body,and you can overdose on. I took 1,000 iu of D twice a day. Vit D was in my Citrucal and my multi vitamin, and it was also in the Fosamax that I was taking for bone strength. I had to stop all forms of D for about three months. I got rid of the Fosamax (It had been 8 years). I stopped the D supplement, and now take the multi, and Citracal. My doctor told me that Vitamin D is not regulated, and doctors are having a problem with the dosage. I told him what I was taking, and he said that I have no idea what I was taking. It could have been 20 times that because it is not regulated. I think that D needs other vitamins to be absorbed. Do you also take Magnesium and Calcium? I can really sympathize with you about having this problem. It takes awhile to get the help you need from a medication, and we don't know for sure what we are swallowing. Since it is not regulated, I hope that Citrucal and Centrum are using the correct dosage, but we don't know. Do you think your source of D is reliable? Since I was taking too much and you and your husband are low, I wonder if you are taking the same product. Maybe what you are taking is going right through because of other ingredients in the vitamin. I think I would be tempted to get 3 or 4 brands and alternate. Also, isn't it in some foods? I do know that if you periodically feel sick for a few minutes during the day, and that feeling goes away, then that is a symptom of an overdose. The sick feeling does not come with swallowing the vitamin. Do you use a moisturizing lotion everyday that has a sun block in it? Good luck. Sammy |
RE: The Sun didn't do it for me.
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| I had also read that Vit D taken orally can be toxic so was very cautious in taking it, relying on sun exposure over the summer, but as I said, I started the summer quite deficient and ended up only a little better--still deficient--despite a summer working without sunscreen. And no I don't use anything with sunscreen in it. The Dr said to take D3 in divided doses, so will take with each meal and in 6 mo go back for another test. There is some D in commercial milk but I don't drink much, as it gives me sinus congestion. The only other source is a multi with 400 IU in it, the RDA, which many drs feel is inadequate. So we will see what happens in 6 months. |
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| Do you know how much total you were taking according to your labels? And for how long? I have heard of people who tested quite deficient as I did being prescribed as much as 10,000 IU a day. (A brother-in-law, so it's not just hearsay. Heard it from him personally.) My Dr was more cautious and I will follow her recommendations. And yes also take minerals included in my multi. |
RE: The Sun didn't do it for me.
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| Good morning, I found out last March that I have vitamin D deficiency. A bone density test was taken (blood work) to check it out. My Dr. advised taking Caltrate 2-3 times a day with meals and don't take it with any other medications. The vit. D adhears to other medicines and doesn't get absorbed in the body. She also suggested 15 mins. of sunlight each day. Normally, I have much more than that as I'm sure most of you do. Don't wear hats, gloves or sunscreen. I usually get a very dark tan in the summer but by the time spring arrives it is gone. Milk is a very good source of vit. D and sometimes I crave it. The Dr. suggested 2 percent milk, cottage cheese, Cheese and yogart, 3-4 times a day. There are lights that are very similiar to sunlight that you can purchase. They help during the fall, winter months. She also mentioned that the older you get the harder it is for your body to absorb vit. D. and maintain a healthy level. I'm due for a check up next month so I hope mine is much better. Teresa |
RE: The Sun didn't do it for me.
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| Sammy, what exactly do you mean by "sick". What were the symptoms of excess Vit D? Teresa, good luck. Hope your next test shows sufficiency. |
RE: The Sun didn't do it for me.
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| From time to time I would have waves of nausea, but they only lasted a few minutes. It is like what I get if I take too many vitamins at once. I reported this to my allergist, and thought it was my new 15 grain bread that I like. When I said that I also was taking the Vitamin D, he said that was it. I stopped all vitamins for a couple of months (it takes time to get D out of your system), then when I restarted I never resumed the extra D. About 3 months later when I went to my internist, he checked for D with my blood work, and it was at a high level. It was safe, but he said not to take anymore D supplements - that what is in Citracal D plus mag. and Centrum were sufficient. Speaking of Citracal, did you all know that a serving is two pills? That is bad advertising in my book. I didn't notice that early on for about 2 years. Sammy |
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| Thanks for the info, Sammy. In researching the symptoms of Vit D deficiency online, I learned that fatigue and muscle pain, as well as recurring respiratory infections were involved. I was diagnosed with fibromyalgia 15 years ago and with the right exercise and supplements got substantially better, but still almost always have some muscle pain in arms and legs and lower back pain. I am hoping that getting my D up will help with that. I also learned that many Drs recommend 5000 IU of D3 a day to treat a deficiency so I doubt that I will have a problem with 3000IU a day. |
RE: The Sun didn't do it for me.
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| We have been taking Vitamin D3 religiously (2000 IUs a day) for some time now, hoping its antiviral properties will help keep us from coming down with the flu. Until I researched it (because Tim read something somewhere about a link between vitamin D deficiencies and flu/colds/upper respiratory infections and other diseases (including cancer), I didn't realize that many folks these days have vitamin D deficiencies. Tim has been exposed to so many people with flu at his job this year that it is not funny, but so far he has not come down with it. He usually gets a flu shot at work but missed it this year because he wasn't there the day of the flu shot clinic. I should add that Tim is one of the healthiest and most fit people I know....he works out every day and takes lots of supplements, etc., and seldom gets sick. The swine flu has him really worried though....the D-FW area has had quite a few swine flu deaths and the latest was a man in his 50s who died Monday. Until recently, I had no idea vitamin D was considered an antiviral either. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Vitamin D As An Antiviral
RE: The Sun didn't do it for me.
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| At my last annual checkup, I was told mine was low and was given a script for 50,000 units taken 2 times a week for 8 weeks. I'm supposed to return to recheck when finished. I take the usual calcium with D twice a day and like most of you spend lots of time in the garden during the "in" season. Makes you wonder how much is too much? I was also told something about breast cancer and vitamin D.... |
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| Laura Lea, As a breast cancer survivor I know a bit about the vitamin D/survival connection. Adequate levels of vitamin D are helfpful in preventing a recurrence of breast cancer. One fairly recent study showed that what mattered was the vitamin D levels in a woman at the time of diagnosis. If a woman was deficient in vitamin D at the time of diagnosis, her cancer was 94% more likely to spread and she was 73% more likely to die within 10 years. At the time I was diagnosed, they were not routinely testing for vitamin D levels, so I do not know if my levels were adequate then. However, my cancer did not spread, and it has been over 10 years and I am still here. So, I am going to make the assumption that because I was diagnosed with cancer in my late 30s, my body still might have had adequate levels of vitamin D then and that might be one reason I am a survivor. The ultra-high dosage the doctor recommended for you has been proven to bring up your level more quickly than lower dosages of vit. D taken over a longer period of time, and it works for the majority of people who take it for a limited period. However, you cannot take that much for long and some doctors are not comfortable with recommending the mega-dosages. It surprises me that so many of us gardeners have vitamin D level issues because I bet we eat more veggies than the average non-gardener and we are out in the sun a lot. I do use sunscreen strategically (meaning I spend some time in the garden without it) because I want my body to absorb some sun in order to help with vitamin D levels. Vitamin D is vitally necessary for health and a deficiency in it is linked to many health problems, but it doesn't get a lot of attention most of the time---certainly not the same attention vitamin B or C or E get, for example. It puzzles me, though, that so many people are deficient in Vitamin D nowadays. A lot of organic food and alternative and integrative medicine proponents believe one reason is because so much of our foods are processed nowadays and also that conventionally-grown produce has much lower levels of all nutrients than it used to. I wonder, though, if something in our diets is interfering with the absorption of vitamin D. There is a new study out showing 1 in 5 children are seriously deficient in vitamin D and I bet we can blame that on diet. Dawn |
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| And perhaps on hot water and soap. I remember reading one of Adelle Davis's books on nutrition (I think it was "Let's Have Healthy Children) and she said bathing with hot soapy water every day can interfere with the production of Vit D in the skin because it washes off the oils from which D is manufactured. I remember her saying, "I for one call it progress," referring to the bathing often habit. She recommended cod liver oil for children as I recall. I used to give it to my children in gelcaps because they wouldn't take it from a spoon. I did a web search and found one site that recommended 5,000 IU a day for healthy adults over the wintertime, and just today got a medical newsletter that recommended 4,000 IU, so I'm certainly not going to worry about getting too much at 3,000 IU a day. |
RE: The Sun didn't do it for me.
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| Dorothy, Tim just upped his to 5000 IUs a day because he's so worried about the swine flu. Everyone who works for him has already had it...or their wives or kids have had it....so I think if he was going to come down with it, he already would have. That is odd about the bathing interfering with the production of Vit. D---guess it is one of those unintended consequences. Cod liver oil! Yuck. I'm glad it comes in gel caps and I would't take it from a spoon either. I remember that from our childhood. Dawn |
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