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Very Very Hard Clay Soil

Posted by meezike none (My Page) on
Sat, Jun 8, 13 at 22:55

Hello everyone. Hopefully someone can help me. My lawn is basically a mixture of st augustine and bermuda. There is a section which appears to slowly be dying and is very yellow. I water deeply once a week (1") and spread an organic fertilizer (EB Stone 10-1-4) about 1 month ago and does not seem to be helping. I was going to try and core aerate which is when I noticed the soil in this area is very very hard and compacted. The aerator I am using has two hollow spikes. I constantly had to clear out the spikes with a screw driver since the soil was so hard it would just keep getting stuck in the hollow spikes and not come out through the tops. After aerating this area I spread some Kellogg N'rich compost as a top dressing but noticed that there are many little wood chips in this compost. I tried to rake as much up as I could. I've read that mixing wood chips in the soil is not good as it can rob the soil of nitrogen. I am going to start and try composting on my own but it will take awhile and I wanted to at least do something for now. It seems as if all bagged compost around here (Los Angeles area) pretty much all has little wood chips. So my question is, should I continue to do this or was this a bad idea? Any suggestions? Thanks in advance!!


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RE: Very Very Hard Clay Soil

Compacted clay soil says lack of organic matter. Core aeration is a short term fix that will need to be done annually, if not more often, if organic matter is not added to that soil.


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You're doing fine, but I have some thoughts. Wood chips on top of the soil is no problem. That is where they belong. Wood must have fresh air to decompose. If you bury wood, it can remain wood for decades. Once you expose it to the air, it can rot away in a few months. And yes, when it is buried, the fungi that decompose it tend to 'rob' nitrogen from all sources. It just need the nitrogen from the air to get going.

You can soften your soil very easily. You need some clear shampoo, a hose, and a hose-end sprayer like the Ortho with the orange/yellow top. The application rate is a minimum of 3 ounces per 1,000 square feet. Maximum rate has not been determined but 50 ounces per 1,000 square feet seems to do no harm - just expensive. Start with 3. If your front yard is 1,000 square feet, put 3 ounces of clear shampoo into the bottle and add some water, milk, or molasses just to fill up the bottle. Then spray the entire contents onto the yard trying to get it all evenly. The dial setting doesn't matter although the high setting tends to empty the bottle so fast you can't get it on evenly. After you apply the soap, then water the lawn until you have about an inch of water on it. If you get runoff before you get an inch, then stop for 20 minutes while the soap and water soak in. Then resume until you have a full inch over the entire lawn. You can time your sprinkler by putting tuna or cat food cans out. Time how long it takes to fill them. Ranges I've seen are anywhere from 20 minutes to 8 hours. It depends on your sprinkler, water pressure, and hose. That deep watering is what you are supposed to be doing.

Where are you in the LA area? One inch per week is too much if you live in El Segundo.

Would you like to have a full St Augustine lawn? I can help with that. With subtle differences in watering and mowing you can get rid of bermuda. Bermuda in flower beds is a different story.

How high/low do you mow?
Have you had a lot of rain?

Can you post a picture of the yellowish grass? Preferably two pictures - both of them taken on a cloudy morning, one picture showing the entire lawn and one very close up showing the yellow blades. You might have iron issues or you might have a disease.

EB Stone's lawn fert is kind of bottom of the line organic stuff. It's not much more than feather meal. Feathers take decades to decompose and release the nitrogen within. What you get is a lot of fluff and just enough blood meal mixed in to give the grass a quick jolt. If you want to spend a lot less and get better results, find your nearest feed store and get a bag of alfalfa pellets (rabbit chow). Cost for 50 pounds should be on the order of $12.50. That seems to be a nationwide price for alfalfa pellets. Don't know why because there are a lot of factors going into pricing, but that's what everyone reports. The application rate is 20 pounds per 1,000 square feet. When you apply pellets, you must moisten them so they become soft. All that takes is a light spray, not a drenching. Moisten them and the next day they will have swollen and look like green worms. The alfalfa will fall into the grass by gravity or you can help it along by dragging a hose across them. Blood meal can work in a day or two to turn the grass green. Alfalfa and all the grain type fertilizers take three weeks. But the effect is longer lasting and better for the soil, in my opinion.


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RE: Very Very Hard Clay Soil

So, Dave, how does hugelkultur work?

Here is a link that might be useful: hugelkultur


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Quoting from that link...

Another thing to keep in mind is that wood is high in carbon and will consume nitrogen to do the compost thing. This could lock up the nitrogen and take it away from your growies. But well rotted wood doesn't do this so much. If the wood is far enough along, it may have already taken in sooooo much nitrogen, that it is now putting it out!


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