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Live oak

Posted by poaky1 6 Pa (My Page) on
Mon, Mar 7, 11 at 21:09

Hello, I may get no replies on this, but I am curious anyway. Has anyone in Pa successfully grown a Live oak? This would be Quercus Virginiana or Quercus Fusiformis.It is zone 7 hardy, but I wondered if anyone has tried and succeeded. and if so what part of Pa is the tree.The Q. Fusiformis is zone 6 hardy.


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RE: Live oak

Supposedly Pin Oaks were planted in my neighborhood, which has proven a disaster in the heavy, moisture-retentive soil.

There are several on each block, and many have some sort of fungus. Worst of all, a very large one across the street from my house suddenly fell over during a storm, and just missed my house. The trunk was at least three feet in diameter and the wood was extremely heavy. Oaks are usually deep rooted, and one does not expect them to just fall over.

Considering how heavy oak tres are, I recommend caution if you plant a live oak or any other out-of -area oak in our zone. Live oaks grow extensively in Southern Louisianna (Cajun country), so I doubt that in general they would be well adapted to our area. The one you cite could be, if its other growth preferences (soil types, moisture, elevation, etc.) match yours.

I can understand your desire to try, since live oaks are extremely attractive trees. Possibly if you check on a "tree" forum you will find that someone has developed a strain of live oaks that are suitable for PA. I am growing an Edith Bogue magnolia, descended from one sent to a relative in the Philly area by someone living in the South which just happened to be able to survive up here--so that might have been done for live oaks as well.


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To Eibren 3 months later! I stopped checking this thread after about a month of no bites. I have a supposedly zone 6 hardy Live oak I'm trying out, and have found a dwarf live oak that can grow in Michigan that I am going to try out. It will not be anything like those down south but for the texture of the leaves and keeping leaves until December, it will create some winter interest and still fit under the power lines by the driveway. It is supposed to get 10 feet tall. I also have a couple pin oaks but mine are only about 10 years old.


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We grew two southern lives at our cottage 8 miles SE of Dover DE, and although some winters were a little rough, they grew to a height of 18' and 30' by the time we sold our place downstate. We also had two needle palms that were 7' by the time we sold it. We planted a southern live in southeastern PA (Elizabethtown, about 75 miles west of Philadelphia and 75 miles NNE of Baltimore,) which did survive after years of freezing to the roots and rebounding in early summer. Only plant live oak if you are in an area which does not receive 0 degree weather. The actual hardiness is about 5 to 10 degrees f; but it can survive 0 to 5 degrees once established. We plan on planting three southern lives at our new house in Delaware, along with several needle palms.


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Wow, Just a little more than 3 years ago. Since that post, I have learned a lot. My Quercus Fusiformis is still alive, but not too vigorously growing. I have tried Live oak "Late drop" from Mossy oak natives Nursery, in Mississippi. They are later in seed drop/ acorn ripeness than regular Quercus Virginiana. They have also proven to be MUCH hardier. Last year they stayed evergreen all winter, with no below zero. This winter they are still alive, but ugly colored leaves, after several -9F nights and low temps, cold winds. I have 2 threads covering these trees already. One is called Most successful try at Live oak. Go to part 2. I will be posting a pic soon updating their condition after this round of sub-zero temps and brutal winds. One tree has lost some leaves, but the buds appear to be threatening plumpage, or leafing out. I hope they won't. It has been too cold to be expecting this. A Rhody next to it has seemed to be ready to herald spring already with some growth, and fattened buds. I have a needle palm in the ground, and one potted in the house. The one outside, I haven't checked up on for a while, the one in the house is drying out from the heat/furnace. Anyhoo, these "late drop" live oaks are not going to succumb to the cold. After several below 0F, 3 -9F nights, I deem them zone 6 hardy, so far. These are in their second year in zone 6 have planted a few more in lower areas (maybe colder) in my yard. The last few of the "late drop" live oak I've ordered seem to not be as good as my first 2 ordered. They arrived with yellow leaves, not green. Maybe they will leaf out nice and green. These seedlings are cheap in price, but they are rated zone7 hardy like ANY LIVE OAK so you may be sacrificing the cost, that is if they don't thrive. You must have a total of $25.00 or $20.00 minimum order. If I were going to order more of the Live oak "late drop", I would specify, "I only want dark green foliage on my seedlings, not pale green, or yellow". And "no substitutes". The parent tree is a tall tree in a forest setting, so you know it isn't from a shrub form live oak. For your order you will receive a APPROX, 3 ft tall whip. I will post a couple pics of 2 year old whips after some sub-zero temps, but a couple weeks from our latest round of a week of some sub-zeros. Jan 2014Late dro L.O. Back yrd photo DSC00349_zps2934d931.jpg Dog rd Late dr. Jan 2014 photo DSC00350_zpsccde9e84.jpg


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The 2 Live oaks above are 2 years in-ground in zone 6 Southwestern Pa. The "late drop" live oaks from Mossy oak natives nursery, seem to have hybrid vigor and are hardier. They are listed as zone 7 hardy. My success with them makes me want to tout them as a miracle plant, but I the end all I can say without doubt is that I have had great results in my yard with several of these trees.


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My other posts are in the tree forum.


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These pics were taken February 10, 2014. This is winter #2 for these 2 Live oak "late drop". The leaves are ugly and tannish on one and semi green but ugly on the other. This is okay, because in a couple months they will shed the ugly, and put out new growth, the buds are fine for next year. We have had several -9F and some -5F, as many as 12 days of below 0 F as of yet. I will post the new leafout pics in spring. I am confident they will be fine. The trees are from Mossy oak natives nursery online. They are rated as zone 7 hardy, like the plain Quercus Virginiana, but have proven hardy through 2012-2013 winter and so far 2013-2014. The trees are cheap, but you need a minimum order of $20-$29. Not sure which. I will post pics from yesterday of the 1 1/2 year in ground babies. Despite the brown leaves on the bigger one, the buds are fine for next years new leaf-out.  photo DSC00352_zps291f1969.jpg  photo DSC00351_zps15dac7f6.jpg The top pic isn't clear, but you can make out the tree with snow on it. The other is the ugly brown leaved one. Spring will make 2 winters for the 2 of them, I will update after the new leaves come out on them. I know they aren't too impressive now, but I am 90% sure they will be fine into next growing season.


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I know winter isn't over. I just wanted to say that it is March 3, almost March 4 in a couple minutes. I will update (hopefully, I remember) in April, on the Live oaks. Now though, so far so good.


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It isn't April yet I know. I just wanted to add that therte is some top die-back on my live oaks, but there are healthy buds yet, quite a feat after this winter. I will update in April.


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This forum is dead, but, I am happy to report that 3 of my live oaks have healthy buds now. I think that as long as they don't leaf out too early and get damaged, I will have good growth on all 3 Live oak "late drop" trees in spring. In May I will post an update pic, not sure anyone is following this thread, though.


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Poaky1, keep the update going. I just came back from Texas and I fell in love with these trees. I'm in sw pa as well, so let me know how they do.


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Operaprincess, are you in the mountainous area of Pa, or in the areas below the Mountains? I am in Fayette county, a few miles from the mountains. My friend is about a mile and a half from the cross, up in the Jumonsville campground campus. Which may put her about a half zone lower than my lower 6A zone hardiness, making her zone 6b. The thing that is MOST IMPORTANT, is to get the Live oak "Late drop" planted in your yard in spring, after your last spring frost. That way it gets many months to get into the soil, and is as a result is more hardy to face the winter. Sorry there isn't anything better to tell you. If you add the Live oak "late drop" to your late summer, or fall landscape, the live oak will croak and you will be out the money you paid for it. And me who has typed all this info, will wonder why you didn't follow directions, and the tree is dead. If you want to try to have a zone 6 Live oak tree, endure your winter in zone 6 . And I will tell you my source. Mossy oak natives.I realize some may say, hey this tree has been mentioned by someone, and they may profit from me buying it. I will tell you, it doesn't help me if you buy the Live oak "late drop". But I must mention that this tree has proven zone 6 hardy, in my yard. If you buy the "live oak" "late drop" and you will need to purchase other stuff to have the money amount to be seen.


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I just want to say that the live oak "late drop" planted above on some plant site. Is the best info available for the plants. But the plants that the second train screams about is likely the second Deeply southern image of good


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I am sorry about the stupid posts above, I was drunk and was a real A*s. Not much else to add to that. Operaprincess, I hope you don't give up on trying to grow the Live oak "late drop" because of my assanine post. I will post a pic of the tree when it puts out new leaves. Don't dismiss the tree really being hardy here because of these idiotic posts which I made.


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Hi Poaky, I found this information on Live Oaks in PA very interesting. Thanks for posting it.


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I am still waiting for leaves on the Late drop Live oak. I am glad they aren't putting out leaves yet. I expect that in the first or second week in May they will start leafing out. Last year it was about May 12th, but a frost damaged that first leaf-out. They later put out more, and all was good. The thing that helps for survival is to plant the trees in spring, that helps with winter survival, having time to settle in, and put some roots in the ground. Pretty much what I posted before but, I should lose the crappy attitude.


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