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Posted by brooklyngreg 7a NYC coastal (gchristiangreg@aol.com) on Tue, Oct 27, 09 at 22:18
| WE drove to the OBX of NC and surpisingly on the way we saw many palm trees I wanted to share with the members. I wanted to explore the natural line of demarcation from where these palms survive without cold protection and where they thrive. As we drove thru Kitty Hawk and Roanoke Island cabbage palms and other semi tropicals were doing well and you could see mirco climates expanding into entire yards and side streets. For example, pindos, cabbage, tracky and others planted on the south side of a houses or bordering a clump of trees needed no protection and were growing larger and blooming. In open windy areas palms struggled more.
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More upper Outter Banks NC palm pics
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| Wow, they even have sagos in the ground! |
RE: More upper Outter Banks NC palm pics
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| are sagos those long catus-like yucca looking things. They only were on the very edge of the outter banks and south, we did not see any in the north. |
RE: More upper Outter Banks NC palm pics #4
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| To Jim Hardy, Laura, NJ Oasis, T7 Staen Island and everyone out there. In pic # 4 those palms were for sale on Roanake Island the northern part of the OBX NC and they would deliver and plant them for $100-300 locally. We can dream can't we? PS I am standing in the front in pic 4. |
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Sago is the smaller squat one in your last 2 picks(:
The one(I believe) you are referring to is Agave,(possibly Tequila Agave?)doesn't look like it has been there to long and I don't think it would survive to much below 20F, although the core could live and would grow out fast in the heat down there. Last pic is interesting-could be a straight up comparison between leaf hardiness of Butia and Sago,if the cold is what caused the yellowing of the Sago's leaves,notice also the slight damage to the Butia.
What's the location of that shot?
We could look up the low temp last winter there.
My guess judging by the leaf damage,(if winter temps were indeed the cause) would be 10-15F |
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I looked up OBX in N.C.
Looks like last winter they had 4-6 days(nights in this case)
with lows of 15-20F and 3-4 days with highs of 32F or less.
Lowest 15F Lowest high was 30F I think. |
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| The sagos were the ones in the last pics, they are cycads. Your probably thinking of agaves, some of which can survive a zone 7 (but Im not sure if that particular type can). Jimhardy has a few outdoors. Agaves will probably be my next venture :) Wow, Sabal palms get sold at pretty cheap prices there dont they. Im mean I knew they were cheap in florida, but North Carolina isnt THAT far away and they seem to THRIVE. Bad thing about sabal palmettos is even though they are cold tolerant and can survive a zone 8 (up to Virginia Beach) they cant go much farther than their native range for some reason (which is believed to originally extend as far north as the Virginia Beach area). Maybe Ill try them one day, but they are nearly impossible to get at that size up here, unless you take a trip about 500-600 miles south where they are pretty cheap. How far did it take you to get to NC. I know from NYC it takes about: 1 1/2 hours to Philly, 2 1/2-3 to go to Washingtion DC, and 6-7 to get to VB, so it must have taken about 8-9 hours to get to the outer banks. Still if your going in that direction and have some space in your car, its definately worth getting a sabal for that price. You would probably have to mummify it to get it to live through our (zone 7) winters though. |
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| The problem with Sabals is that all though they are pretty hardy,they need a lot of heat to grow well and if they are damaged in colder zones,we usually don't have the heat to get them back to where they were.This is why (unless you plan on major protection)it's a good idea to try palms that can regrow lost mass if they defoliate during the winter.This is where Trachys excel,they don't require heat and they can regrow 10+ leaves after total defoliation. Does anybody read anyone else's post's? |
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| Great to hear your feed back and discussion everyone. Hi Jim and T7, the sago and cyads that was yellow was just one of many. Most were doing very well from Cape Hatterus on down. Some of the really healthy ones were planted along houses, but must be living well because they were everywhere, except I do not remember too many on the upper NC banks. There were tons of trackys doing well all over. Pindos butias and cabbages were doing better on the upper NC banks than the southern hatterus ones because of the wind. Jim, that butia was at a gas station at hatterus in a windy spot for sure. It was very windy way out there and when people plant these among their yards the large palms did well - but in open parking lots they were not so full. That indicated to me we were right on the margin of survival(no protection). VB is not native for cabbages but they can survive well in yards as Laura VB showed us.
Thanks for identifying the agave and here's some good info as well. They seemed only to survive in buxton which is around hatterus. there was an huge agave at a firehouse and it had many babies around it looking like it had been there years. But just north of there, is where cabbages did better because of less wind, there were NO agaves north of buxton. Guess what I took some pics of my palms here in brooklyn. |
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Hi T7,
It took around 9-10 hours to get to the northern OBX of NC when you begin to see tall cabbage palms. Cold weather palms were a HUGE bussiness on the way there. Even in costal Maryland and N. Va the nurseries carried entire cold-weather palm collections. But it was hard to gage timing because I wanted to stop and admire how palms were surving on the border areas and see what the nurseries carried. |
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