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How cold has it gotten where you are?

Posted by us_marine CA-z9b (My Page) on
Fri, Nov 13, 09 at 19:08

So how many of you have had a freeze yet? Over here in cali its been rather cold for this time of year, coldest so far for me is 36f or 37f.


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Man, that's cold for you guys this early in the season! You normally wouldn't get that cold till about late December, right? Anyway, here in Bryan in South Central/Southeast Texas in a borderline 9A Zone (our normal annual lowest temp is around 20-21F), we have only gotten down to the upper 40's on two nights so far. Next week we are supposed to get down to around 40-42 on one night and mid to upper 40's a couple of other nights next week, with highs in the mid- upper 60's those days. Our normal high is 72F and our normal low is 50F. In January, our normal high is 59F and our normal low is 39F. We normally get 39 inches of rainfall per year, and we are about 2 1/2 hours northwest of the Gulf of Mexico at Galveston. Galveston, by the way, has a cool Mediterranean type maritime Zone 10A climate, with a normal January high of 60F and normal low of 47F. They normally have about two light frosts each winter down around 31F or 32F. Many palms can be grown there, including a few 25-30ft. tall royals, but it is just a little too cool for coconuts there, since they want an average winter temp of 60F+, which means they don't make it north of the Lower Rio Grande Valley and North Padre Island. There are some impressive looking Mexican Talls and Malayan Dwarfs in the Brownsville/South Padre Island area, some with coconuts on them. They would all have coconuts if the local lawn/tree trimming crews would quit cutting the flower spikes off the palms. The Brownsville/Harlingen area is a milder Zone 10A than Galveston, with a normal daytime high in January in Brownsville of 69F and normal nighttime low of 50F. They usually have one light frost or freeze there each winter down to about 32F. At South Padre, the normal January high is 67F and the normal low is 52F. They usually don't get below 35F each winter, which makes them borderline 10B, the most tropical part of Texas. And by the way, if you like mangrove trees, there are thousands of black mangroves, some as tall as about 10ft. on the Laguna Madre side of the island, and about 10 miles south of there at the mouth of the Rio Grande at Boca Chica, there is a tidal creek about 100 yards inland from the Gulf, where I have seen two red mangroves, both producing numerous seeds among the many black mangroves. One was about 7ft. tall and about 8ft. across and the other was about 4ft. tall and about 4ft. across.

John


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How cold has it gotten where you are?

Wow, that is chilly. You would expect a rainier winter and a warmer one for you guys because of the el nino, but I guess it doesnt look like that so far.

Over here we got one temp in the mid 30s which did damage the bananas and elephant ears, and some of the cannas got some burn, but for whatever the reason the tropical hibiscus and birds of paradise plant as well as the begonias were all unprotected and unharmed. No more freezing for a while, so I might still have some potted plants growing outisde for thanksgiving, which is a pretty long growing season for a zone 7.


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all my plants are still outside. the coolest temp has been 36*F but that was a quick over night which rebounded to approx 75*F the next day and has been in the upper 60's 70's ever since. not had any frost at all overnight yet so everything is good. just brought a few potted plants in that night like the coconut and a few others. prob. going to get a little cooler begining of Dec.


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No freeze yet on the upper coast of Texas. The lowest temperature since the end of summer has been 51...though it will quickly get cooler as November ends and we usually have a light frost through the first weeks of December.

It has been a nice growing season so far, my palms loved the unusually blazing hot summer this year...summer temperatures usually never rise above the low 90s here, but this year it surpassed 100 four times!


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man! at least all you guys are doing good so far. its hard to believe that i live in southern cali. when are lowest temp. so far has been 27*F. i live in the coldest place in socal besides the mountains to the south of me. am in the desert,(high desert) where we have some extreme weather. right now its 45*F but they say the temps.suppose to drop to 32*. which i doubt. at least 2night i doubt it. the only thing that helps my palms out is once that sun rises that temp. shoots up, like when it was 27* by 10:00am the temp. was in the 60's! i left alot of my pots out & they all did fine! while goodluck to all of you. i hope winters nice to us all!


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No freezes so far in the Providence area. One night 34F and a couple of nights in the upper 30's, but mostly 40's. Days are 50's and 60's. Cannas and tomatoes looking sad although not toasted yet, but annual begonias still going strong.


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29 F. on morning of Nov. 7th. Since then much milder with lows mostly in the mid to upper 40's, highs in the 50's-60's.

It seems to usually turn milder after the first real freeze in November. Still have out Queen palms, Phoenix dates (mostly canariensis), containerized Mediterranean fans.--(Bananas are done for the season.)

It already looks like it's shaping up to be a wild winter storm season on the East coast though!


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Its been 50,54,53 and maybe 59 but that is it so far thank God.I'm sure the cold is not far away and our normal extremes are 40s and occasionally 30s


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Man, I wish I could say we've had no hard freezes. Up here in northern Utah, we've been down into the teens for many nights. It's snowing right now. Yea! At least I can go snowboarding soon. My palms are nice and warm inside their styrofoam boxes.... even the 12' one.


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Back in Jan of 1887 it got down to -42 F here.


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Even though its been colder than normal, at least it goes back up to the low/mid 40f's. I don't think frost will hit here until it gets closer to the end of Dec. As it normally does.


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Walkingthefrog, what part of the upper Texas Coast do you live on? And David, where is your Zone 10A climate? Do you have coconut palms there? You guys can email me at: mr.coconutpalm@yahoo.com

John


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Where is my zone ten climate ? I don't understand the question but we have lots of coconut palms here. Zone ten A is above 30 degrees for low temps.


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Coldest its gotten here so far this year was a couple weeks ago when we dipped down to about 35F, and had frost. Did not seem to kill a whole bunch of stuff tho. We should still be lows in the upper 40's to low 50s this time of year with highs around 62. Fortunately that cold was short lived. Today its finally sunny again after that nasty noreaster "NorIda" left, and its going up to 72 today. Ahhh.. Indian Summer at its best! We deserve it after that nasty week of strong winds and heavy rain!


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32f this morning,( according to a online weather station). Light frost on the cars, and in the back yard. Nothing is damaged, except the coconut. I doubt it was truely 32f,it was probably 35f at the coldest.
Here are some pics:


Frost in my back yard.
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Whats interesting is that's the only spot in my yard that had frost. I am sure its because that area recieves barely any sun light, cold micro climate:(


No damage to banana's

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Orange tree.
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Not worried about this, citrus and avocados grow here with no problem.

Coconut:
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It's doing better than I thought. Its still green, which is amazing because its surounded by a light frost.

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Canana's with frost on them.
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Good thing it was a short duration, about an hour after I took the photos the frost is gone:)


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coconut_palm: our garden is located about 20 miles from the delta of Trinity Bay. We don't share the warmth like Galveston does (it would be so nice to have Galveston's winter nights!) but we receive A LOT more precipitation, which I would rather have in the long run. Yearly average of precipitation varies; usually it's a little more than 60 inches, yet across the Galveston Bay there is only about 35 inches per year...if they aren't ridden with a drought.

Lowest it usually gets here is 26-28, mostly within the outer parts of the lawn where there isn't any protection. Our large home provides a frost-free microclimate for the garden, we also had a nice tree canopy before Hurricane Ike but most of it was toppled during the storm. Trees are recovering slowly but surely...hopefully this year's winter will be mild because a hard frost would damage many of the exposed plants that were protected by the canopy.

I've never tried to grow coconut palms because of their finicky nature and intolerance of cold wet soil (our soil stays wet year-round, winter is definitely no exception). I've never seen one in a nursery around here, but I can't say that I've looked for them...so their might be some around here somewhere. A friend in Galveston was able to get a whole batch of coconuts to sprout and grow a few years ago, I believe they're still alive unless they were killed by the hurricane.

In addition to the wet soil, the daytime winter temperatures aren't warm enough here to really support coconuts either...it stays pretty cloudy and drizzly throughout our winters and highs usually average in the low/middle 60s throughout December, January, and February. Winter nights aren't very forgiving either, lows usually average in the low/middle 40s.

I would rather try growing coconut palm substitutes, they seem to be more appropriate for our climate but I haven't tried yet...but will next growing season.

For any borderline zone growers out there, I highly suggest buying Betrock's Cold Hard Palms, it is an EXCELLENT book that gives a lot of information on growing palms in zone 9, it is available online, I bought mine via Amazon.


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The temps I posted here were night time temps not day time temps. I thought that would be obvious but maybe it wasn't. Our daytime temps are in the upper 70s and 80s Our daytime temps for dec to feb are 70s for the day and 50s at night.


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So far here in Santa Monica it's been fantastic, temps in the high 60s to mid 70's (today is 75) and sunny. Nights are in the low 50s.


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dln949
Back in Jan of 1887 it got down to -42 F here.

you are to funny.I think he means this year?Maybe not(-;

So far only 30(F) I still have a Castor bean plant growing which is pretty much unheard of!
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low of 36f so far, been pretty mild of late and most nights have not gone below 45f. Jim, castors are still growing well too (although slightly windswept after recent storms) with mild daytime temps :-). We have normally seen frost by now


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LOL, I meant this year. But thats fine too. Lowest ever recorded here is 17f in 1888.


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Oh, well, I see, you meant just this year. Sorry.

Well, back on January 16 it got down to -26F.


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O.K.dln949
You win! But I think what he's asking is....so far this fall?
I'll try it again to help-So far it has hit 30(F) at my house.(-;

Vic
Good to see you on this side of the pond! Pretty amazing your Castors are still going.
B.T.W.I think I will have some seeds from mine so when I round them all up, I will put some aside to send to you-after I get a month head start! Just kidding!
Take Care-

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Like you need a head start Jim, I think 12ft is enough for a years growth! ;-)

I took the opportunity this afternoon to erect a couple of rain shelters over my w.filifera and variegated americana. I can't beleive we wont get a heavy frost in the next few weeks.


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David,

I was asking you where you live? From a description in a later post, it sounds like you live in Florida, but what part of Florida? And what is your all time record low there?

John


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Walkingthefrog, coconuts in Galveston?

Thanks, for the detailed info on your climate. I didn't realize there is an area wetter than Beaumont, but it sounds like your area is a little wetter. I realize coconut palms won't grown in your area, that part of my question was for David. I am surprised that your friend's coconut palms have survived in Galveston with the cool winters there. I tried one back there back in 1990, but it didn't make it through December. Could you send me your friend's name and email address? I would like to get in touch with him and see how his coconuts have survived there. You can email me at: mr.coconutpalm@yahoo.com

Thanks,
John


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U.S. Marine, you have a coconut in CA?

I have heard that coconut palms won't make it in Southern California, with only one exception I know of near L.A. on the oceanfront I believe. I have seen some photos of it on here. I forget exactly which city it is in, but it is not a very healthy one, due to the cool winters there. Anyway, where did you get yours, and what variety is it? What part of southern CA do you live in? By the way, don't put plastic on your plants to protect them from frost or freezing since this can cause freeze burn on the parts of the plant that touch the plastic, and the next day when the sun comes out, the temperature inside the plastic can heat up rapidly and cook your plants after the freeze damage the night before. It is better if you need to protect your plants, to rap them with an old towel or blanket.

John


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Coldest Night Here So Far.

The coldest night here in Bryan, TX so far is 38F, with a couple of nights at 40F. Our normal annual lowest temp here is around 20F.

John


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John I live in south central Fl near Lake Okeechobee and my lowest temp was "probably" 24 degrees in 1989. I didn't record that temp but I think it would be close. Normally we don't go below 30 degrees because I'm in a good location and I normally do not have frost.We average going into the thirty's at night a few times a year but it usually is back up to the 60s or 70s by 1pm. Also after a cold front it is normally in the 50s at night within two days.Tonight is supposed to be in the lower 40s which is below average but a sign winter is not far away.We have lots of coconut palms here. Here is a Christmas palm in front of my house that I took last night right before dark and these are less hardy than coconuts in my experience.
Christmas palms
And coconut
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about your question...

Coconnut palm- Actually I live in Nor Cal. I am not sure what kind it is, but I am sure its either a golden or green malayan. I am sorry to say it as only been in the ground since late spring,it has seen some crazy & cold weather as well as very hot summer days. I am lucky it is still alive. The plastic bag was to keep rain out.


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The only coconut palm I know for a fact that lives outside in CA for more than 10 years is the one in Newport Beach, CA. Its like 43 miles south of LA, I think?


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So far in the east bay area of S.F.,my lowest night has been 43. My potted coconut is still outside since day temps are still near 70~. And i think its good to the first week of December as the weather is supposed to stay relatively balmy.
But,those late December and to mid Jan nights will be going to the 30's sooner or later. By then,it's indoors to fight another year...out by May.


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I live in southeast Michigan along Lake Erie, and so far this season we've got down to 29 degrees. This week our highs are only supposed to be in the 40s. I have my windmill all wrapped up for winter and bananas cut down and mulched. I brought the rest of my potted palms in last week with the arrival of highs in the 40s. No snow or ice yet luckily, but we have had 2 frosts so far.


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We finally saw our first"killing" frost a few days ago(25F)funny though,my Geraniums,Ice plant and Alyssum are still blooming.Even the Castor bean is trying to hold on,although it did toast out nicely at 25F!
Next Thursday is supposed to be in the mid 30s for highs,our fist really cold late fall day.As you may have seen in the pics I posted the cactus garden and Washy are the only things covered now.As long as it doesn't rain the Trachys and Sabals will remain uncovered,I guess I will cover the Butia just to be safe.
Pretty amazing Nov so far,almost as warm as Oct was!

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We finally had our second "frost" on saturday night (two nights ago) when we dipped down to 36. Again it was just on cars and some grassy areas away from buildings. No hard freeze yet, and no low under 35 yet either. The highs have mostly been mid 50s, with a few days scattered here and there in the low 60s, although on sunday after our second frost we had a high of 67. This week will be in the low to mid 50s, but there is one night thats forecast to go down to around 32-35F. I guess well see! So far so good! if winter stays like this I will be extremely happy! It is after all an El Nino year, and those usually mean warmer than normal for us here.


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The Calif. coconut mentioned by coconut_palm is in Newport Beach. I posted a pic of it here 2 or 3 years ago, but someone else posted a much better picture of the plant in much happier condition. The problem with this coconut isn't so much that it gets particularly cold where it is -- frost and even sub-40 is rare -- but that it never really warms up. It's very weather pleasant for people tired of Florida's steamy heat, but that in fact is what coconuts really want.


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Dec 5th,brought in the world famous potted Hayward coconut. Nights are still 42+,but days are much cooler and when I touched the pot,it was like something out of the refrigerator! Huge difference in last winters inside fronds and the summers two fronds and a spear. The inside fronds are long and narrow like a cycad,the outdoor fronds just like mini coconut tree fronds.
It's not going to be easy to make this work for years..can only try.


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Nice to hear your coco is doing alright :)


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Im also glad your coconut is dong nicely. Im still amazed at how hard they are to grow there, but unless you live in extreme south florida or hawaii, theres always room for zone pushing, even in a zone 10 on the west coast!

First freeze real for the year today in my area and im really surprised with the results. We got a little dusting of snow yesterday and late last night I went outside to see how everything (not much left, most are inside now) was doing. I have a variegrated peace lily that had a coating of snow on it and after a morning of 31F its still alive with only some leaf burn. My spindle palm was burned a little more, but is was extremely exposed to wind and was in a very small pot. My autumn blooming camellias look like nothing happened (they were not covered in snow at all, but are cold tolerant down to a zone 7 so they survive winters here pretty well). I also left 2 small mother in law tounge plants outside and they are untouched. All my cold tolerant palms are also completely unfazed. Its only 37F out here now and some water is still a bit frozen in the shade. December is defiantely here to stay for a while, and it looks like some rain for us next week and nights in the mid 20s ...Burr!!!!

Good luck everybody!


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Here's a pic of my 2nd coco

My coco is about to pull up its 4th frond this year:) I am also glad its has its first mature fronds.

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Good luck with your coco stanofh :)


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California is having very cold weather -if you havent heard. This morning my part of paradise was a bone chilling 33.6. For my Howeas and King palms and one Majesty-no problems.Same for the various Chamaedorea sp.
Bananas and Brugs,plants with no frost tolerance at all,leaf wise, are wilty-darn, two years in a row now.
Marine,is that indoor coco your one coco or do you have a second your trying outdoors?
If not for a handful of nights here,coconuts could be-lol


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I have 3 coco's, the one in the pic above is the one I brought indoors about 4 or 5 weeks ago. The cold set a new record here :(


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the storm that pasted in cali brought some cold weather here in the desert! temp. last night was 21*F!:0 tonight 22*F they predict. my washies in the ground seem fine! i hope. we got like a half in. of rain then a half in. of snow then temp drop really low! so im happy everything looks still good! :) i brought in almost all my pots expect some washies 1 canary & some experimental seedlings & everything looks good! so all is well goodluck east coasters its a cold one! hang in there mid westerners!


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Us Marine,

I have to say that your Coconut looks so happy and healthy...whatever you are doing...don't change a thing!!!
I Have tried several times to grow them, with no success!

So keep up the good work!!

Laura in VB


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How cold? Here our lowest so far is happening now. +9.5F. Single digits below zero (F) overnights coming this week, along with the about 8 inches of new snow we just got. Pretty early for these temps, even here! My only outdoor palms are snug in their protection, large trachy (about 7-footer) is comfortable, I even covered my 3.5' needle palm for this recent storm. Only plant I left uncovered is an experimental yucca in the front yard up against the house.


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All threads if they go on long enough revert back to Coconuts.


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Got down to a chilly 44.4 last week....now 80s day low 70s night


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Thanks for the comment :)


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We had our first hard freeze last night. So far the coldest it has been all "winter". 25F when I woke up this morning. The high today is supposed to be only 39, but the next several days should rebound nicely to the 40's/ 50's for daytime highs. However tonight it is supposed to go down to 24F in the city. Looks like Incandescent xmas lights and plastic wrap for the potted windmills will go on today.

Laura, how cold have you gotten / did you get last night down in VB?


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In the future, I would cover washy palms that have gotten wet if the temp can drop to 21 or so that same nite. The bud can be damaged by water freezing in it.


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We hit -2(F) Thursday morning,unfortunately one of my Trachys did too!

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We went down to about 20 this morning. A few 40's and low 50s early next week with rain, but then it goes back into the 30s during the DAY most days 5-10 degrees below average.

I covered all my palms yesterday except for my needle palm, my 2 potted windmill palms (seedlings) abd my potted pindo. I put a thermometer in the pindo palms shelter and temps stayed 20 degrees warmer in there than outside which is like 2 zones warmer! Right now its only 31 degrees outside with a very strong wind, but the pindo palms shelter is at 48.4F.
Good luck everyone. Also my potted spindle palm still seems alive. The leaves are burnt bad, but the center is green. I think I might bring it in now.


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Going down to 21 F. tonight. Today was very sunny but cold and very WINDY.--Extended looks somewhat milder (highs low-mid 40's, min low 30's.--All containerized plants have been sheltered--except for a couple of Italian stone pines. Week's earlier snow all gone. My spindle was brought in weeks ago as I didn't think they were that cold hardy. Pindo was sheltered recently just recently but it may be planted next spring as it has gotten big.


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Jim, in the article you sent me it showed some research that the tracky palm could survive to around 0 within a shelter. Your palm probably made it.

How long was it this cold and did you have rocks at the base of the tree? Did you have lights that failed or something?


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Hey Novaplantguy,

Last night we had are coldest night so far...27 degrees!!!
After we had the rain that drenched the east coast (last week) everything is still wet and nasty!!!..Hopefully we will have some milder temps to finally dry out...but were only expecting up to the lower 40's...

Have a great day everyone!!

Laura in VB


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This morning the SF bay area lows were almost 20f warmer than a few days ago-warm subtropical rains following that arctic blast...the El Nino bad boy weather.
Jim- if i ever saw my thermo say -2,I would die right there. Wouldnt have to go outside to freeze-just the shock alone would do me in. I once felt a 28-29 degree morning of a couple of hours about 20 years ago. My brain cant wrap around -2.


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Stan
You get used to it and when you do 32 feels warm-

Greg
I ran out of time to get everything covered so,I covered the last Trachy with 2 rubber trash cans,everything else was in it's protection and more importantly covered with 1-3" of snow which kept them 15-20(F) warmer than the air.
I placed a sensor in with the Trachy the next day and saw it was not protected,I built a cover for it today,the spear as of today has not pulled-it was dry.

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I am not exactly sure what the exact temp was but low 30's. Just enough that the tops of the bananas and elephant ears are black but nothing else. I think we are way behind for a killing freeze. Have brought in the ponytail palm and the aeae banana and a few others. Typically we may have a hard freeze by Thanksgiving but this year has not been typical.
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We have not went went below lower 40s twice I think it was 42.Its been in the 60s at night and 80s in the day lately. It was 86+ yesterday so we will probably go from 80s to 50s in one day around Christmas or so. But of course back to the 70s a day or so later. I love living here and I am not trying to rub it in but for growing palms here it is very nice.Good luck to everyone this year.


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Had an abnormally early freeze at the beginning of this month, temps dropped down to 29...it even snowed!


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New York City temps are bouncing back fast from last weeks 2-3 day deep freeze. Today - tomorrow upper 40s and sunny! Good palm recovery weather - keeps the ground thawing.

The coastal plain effect into the City kept the precip all rain - at least in Brooklyn it did. Just in case anyone was interested NYC is really made up of islands with deep and shallow bedrock - hense why they build towers easily here. Only one part of the city is connected to the mainland and its weather is slightly colder, snowier and has bigger T-storms - that's the Bronx. If you ever visit - don't miss the Bronx Zoo - its worth it and has lots of palms in the giant indoor exhibits. (some palms outside as well)


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Went to bed at midnight last night the temp was 51*,woke up to 16* this morning,only 19* now and sunny out!


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My pindo palm went up to 70F in its protection. A new leaf just shot out, very quickly too. It hasnt seen below 44 all week, but I took the protection off just today. Temps in the 50s tommorrow and then some cold coming back after that. Way below average.

Also brooklyn greg...
I went to the bronx zoo. Very nice place. Red pandas, pecocks roaming around wild (they have that in some residential areas of Long Island), and defiantely some palms around (they were potted though).
NYC used to be filled with coastal birds because it was one of the largest (maybe the largest) estuaries in the world. NY bay was only 20 feet (possibly less) until they dug it down to 40-60 feet to accomodate large boats. Thats a bit off the subject, but thats a lot of change for only 200-300 years (maybe 5 generations).


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It's currently sunny and 63 here in Santa Monica, CA. Tomorrow high is 66 and sunny, and the rest of the week high 60s to low 70s and sunshine. The coldest it has gotten here was after last week's rain and storm, the temp dropped to 45 at night.


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That's great onfo TZ. I didn't know the NYC location once was possibly the largest estuaries in the world. Its sad in a way being so stacked up here now. We still see some interesting bird varities in the Spring and Fall when they are migrating along the coast. Maybe some will recognize my pindo Palm and stop for a snack if it fruits one day.

I live in the downtown Brooklyn vicinity and when the birds stop on my trees they truly look tired and thirsty. I have a bird bath and planted trees for them.

PS Anyone posting their weather, kindly include your city or region.


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I should correct myself about the estuary I found out the largest estuary in the world is the St. Laurance (probably mispelled). NYC is still definately an large estuary though and was once filled with wild life. Another interesting fact (according to wikipedia) is staten island and brooklyn used to be attached together and the bay area of NY emptied into the ocean by a more westerly path. Then the pressure became so high that the water found another way to reach the atlantic ocean through staten island and brooklyn which is the Narrows today. So at one point (im assuming before european explorers) staten island was part of long island. Wikipedia states that there are 22 major cities on estuaries including san francisco and london.

Just wanted to share that, even though its a bit off topic again.

A little more on the topic...
Im just checking the 10 day forcast by me (NYC area) and Its actually saying snow for the 24th of december. Its still 10 days away so its definately going to change a bit and I wouldnt count on snow, but there hasnt been a white chirstmas in years here so it would be cool to see a nice light coating on chirstmas morning.
Nice day today, but cold returns to the east tommorrow. The forecast is looking very cold and temps will remain below average EVERY DAY as far as the near future goes. We are probably not going to get out of the 30s for the rest of this week and temps are in the mid 40s on average. Definately a cold decmeber especially when you consider the nice november.


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In Ohio we've gotten down to about 5 degrees which is about are average. Sometimes it gets down to about -20 once a year. But other than that it's usually about 5.
I only can grow needle and chinese windmill palm.
The funny thing is people don't know that palms can even grow around here. I live in the country and have a spring and I going to put some by there just to see peoples reactions.


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Low to mid 60's in the eastbay of SF. Very mild nights-for winter,high 40's low 50's. Now,its putting up with a few weeks of Brug's regrowing new leaves. One palm I was told was tender hasnt been at all,Phoenix rupicola. Near freezing night temps havent made any change in the plants lushlook in it's pot. It's like a larger P.reobellini I gather as it also has lacy droopy fronds. Next year I will plant it in ground-someplace!


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I came across this thread and since its about the same time of the year again, Im curious how cold everyone has gotten so far.
No frost here yet but its been getting close. So far the coldest temperature is 37F and this weekend has 33F in the forecast. Im covering all the cannas, elephant ears, and annuals because I want them all to continue growing. All my cold tolerant palms will still be unprotected for a while and all my more tender palm trees are already inside.


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Lowest so far this year is 33.0 F.. Still have out Queen palms, Phoenix dates, a few containerized Butias (others were planted in the ground), Med and Chinese fans and some non-hardy Sabals and Trachycarpus. Next week looks to be milder. They are a bit more protected in the back yard with a southern exposure, two nearby garages (at right angles to each other) and a lot of black top which seems to warm it up higher than adjacent areas.

I am on low lying land--it rises some to the west and to the east of me. Not sure if this extends or shortens the frost free season--which is actually fairly long here. Many mornings recently have been foggy for example but cold enough to cover my car with ice accumulation. Then again, we know that the citrus are sprayed with water in Florida to prevent damage to the orange crops. Funny thing is, I only see the ice on the car and not on the palm fronds Definitely moist here though, if not frozen ice, then liquid--many mornings my car windows are soaking wet on the inside. Also, my bananas are blackened (so I'll dig them up to store over winter--This is a bit early for them to turn by the way--usually a bit later into November.)


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60 degrees but will be colder this weekend.


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Lowest so far has been 56F, but that was in Oct. The next few days lows are to be in the high 40s to low 50s with highs at or around 70.


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Well here at work so far its been down to 37F at home in the yard I have the weather sensors lows been 41F everything still very green except for my plumarias leaves starting to go yellow and fall off. Im debating if I should just leave the basjoo and not cut them down yet and see how far I can push them because they still seem fine and green.


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80+ today in the SF bay area eastside. I actually potted up some seedling small green lemon like, citrus,and a Carribean Avocado that got as big as one can get in a 6" pot. And a couple of Manila palms-good house palms.


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California has been extremely warm lately. Just like summer was supposed to be!
Mike, glad there has been no frost there yet? Any frost in the forecast with this cold front moving in this weekend.
Njoasis, Sorry to hear you got a frost already. At least it wasnt a hard freeze yet!
Florida still looks really nice and mild after this weekend (Central Florida is going back to the 80s (average is 80F for Orlando) next week).
Looks like we are going down to 34F here this weekend, but Im going to cover all the tender plants and hope that they wont be frozen and the growing season can continue a little longer!

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Yeah, its been warmer than usual the past few days. The coldest night so far is 38f again, interesting that it is the only day below 40f we had so far. Last year it had been much cooler. I am hoping it stays above average or at least above freezing. Last winter had set records here.

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Well forcast said 28f last night and this morning its 39f alex. Im next to this big body of water and the city is miles of concrete thats keeping us warm. Strong heat island effect.


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25f at my house last night,officially 23f at the airport north of town,in the dead corn field!

As you said Mike the cement makes a big difference,it's 49f at my house(in town) and the weather sticker says 41f!


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Sun is finally coming out after a couple of depressingly gloomy days. Still, local temps are supposed to bottom out at just above freezing (mid 30's). Which is usually cold enough to cover my car with heavy ice by morning. But I have the palms in large containers standing against a south-facing garage with a slight overhang and that seems enough to prevent frost on them. Removed the bananas today for winter protection. I see they are calling for widespread freeze and frost warning throughout the deep south (to south Georgia), so heads up. Tomorrow, temps bottom out at about 35 F. and I see mid 60's for highs in the extended (with lows in the mid 40's). Just think, by this time Monday, it'll be DARK (remember to change those clocks back one hour)! Enjoy the weekend.


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Well, the new low for the year is 44F as of last night.


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  • Posted by butiaman 7b Douglasville,GA. (My Page) on
    Sat, Nov 6, 10 at 11:03

The coldest so far is 33F last night.Tonight will be the last night of near freezing temps.for awhile.
Randy


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Looks like the east coast is really cooling down with this cold front. Still no frost here yet and the coldest temperature in the forecast is 35F. I think I might cover the plants just to be safe, but 35F really shouldnt do much, if any damage. Growing season should be continuing for the next 10 days at least if all is well tomorrow morning!
Good luck
-Alex


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47f here this morning SF eastbay..not sure why so much colder than San Francisco's 54f. But we should catch and beat them for a high temp even in mid November.
Sunny,about ~70 today.


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Coldest so far is 36F or 37F. Forecast has most nights in the 40s and most days in the 50sF, and even a few 60sF!! The plains and eastern states (as well as maybe the interior part of the west) is suppose to get pretty cold soon! Im not looking forward to that and I think that our first freeze of the year might come from that cold air expected to move in right before Thanksgiving.

-Alex


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A year ago the lowest temperature for the year was 51 here, so far this fall the lowest it went down to was 43 on the 6th.

This has been a strange year here...back in January it went down to 21 during that horrible freeze (hasn't gotten that cold in YEARS), most of the summer was blazing hot and dry (normally it's rainy rainy rainy here), October was just as hot as the normal summer months of May, June, July, August, and September...and when November came it just got cold out of nowhere and has since been warming up way past normal temperatures.

But in positive news, all of my palms recovered from that horrible freeze in January thanks to the long hot summer we had...though I've never watered my palms during the summer but had to this year, I am happy that they are mostly all fully recovered.

The only palms that still show freeze damage are the enormous queen palms, their oldest fronds on their crowns are stunted (and the crowns themselves quite puny compared to last year). Most of the queen palms in the Houston-area were completed defoliated, driving around some neighborhoods you can see dead ones sticking randomly out of yards. Thankfully all of my largest queens (35 feet+) survived but four of my little ones (>10 feet) died, but they were easily replaced.

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A mild winter is predicted for the southeastern states (which I guess includes at least the eastern part of texas), but Just because they are predicting a mild winter doesnt mean they arent wrong! But lets hope they are right!

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This year just keeps getting stranger. A few days ago we hit 81f and mid to high 70f's followed. Usually were in the mid/high 60f's. Now temps have droped to normal and a few below normal. Also the coldest night this year is predicted to fall to around 35f. I hope they are wrong. Many nights have been a few degrees warmer than they predicted.
Quick update- Bananas still growing well, cannas still flowering, and oranges are turning orange. I picked the pomegranate which was very good! My original coconut palm looks like its starting to come out of shock after it fell. My outside coconut palm is still growing? Its spear has had noticable growth since it started to push up, even with night times lows in the 40fs and 30fs. As well as many highs only reaching the mid to high 60fs for weeks. I think that is only do to the very warm days we seen recently. But growth this close to winter is not bad at all :)

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37°F

We haven't had a frost/freeze yet (luckily).

There's a frost advisory for tonight, we're supposed to drop to 36°F, it's just a chance but still :(


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We are also under a frost advisory here. I dont think I have any plants outside that cant handle 35F. Hopefully there wont be a frost, but its already cold out!

-Alex


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Now they predict it to go down to 33f. After that back up into the 40fs. I was going to wait to do an update with pics but we might get a light frost before then.


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So far the coldest I've recorded in the back yard was 32.0 F. That was about 3 weeks ago. Mostly its been in the upper 30s to mid 40s at night, and around 50F on average. That said, there have been many days the past two weeks where we have approached or surpassed 60F, and a few days around 65-68F. Today it was 64F, and the low tonight is going to be a balmy 50F. Tomorrow its going to be 70. Not unheard of for this time of year. It can go either way in Nov/Dec. The first two weeks in Nov this year though we barely got near 50 and often went in the mid to upper 30s. We have had several very light frosts, just on the rooftops and / or roofs of cars, and very intermittent patches on some open grass, but nothing near buildings. The night we hit 32 we did have a heavy frost on everything. It was so thick on the grass and rooftops it looked like a dusting of light snow. I covered up my Pigmy Date palm, and it came through just fine. i have allowed my Plumerias (with the exception of two smaller ones I brought in already) do get chilled and to defoliate. They are still out, but are coming in to the basement to go dormant for the season this week. The Sago palms are still out and are just fine. After thanksgiving day it seems were going to have a fairly major change, with daytime highs in the 40s and nights in the low to mid 30s, possibly around 30F in colder spots. The night we hit 32 here, many places, even some fairly close in to the city were in the upper 20s.

So nothing real major yet, but it is coming! Hope everyone is ready. =o)

For me its Conifer season! If it wasn't for Conifers, I think I would just completely hate winter.


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  • Posted by cfa_li Zone 7b (Near JFK) (My Page) on
    Mon, Nov 29, 10 at 13:58

It's official, we made it to December without a frost, the same thing occured last year if my memory serves me correctly. I think we got our first frost on December 2nd last year. This time around December 6th is looking promising with a low in the 20's.

It sure is coming, sadly.

The grass is green and the leaves stayed on very late this year, some trees still have leaves as a matter of fact.

The lowest we saw was 35°F.


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Your very lucky cfa_li. We got a frost over here this morning and first frost yesterday! Only the really exposed plants saw an end to their growing season and all the plants in shade and by walls have absolutely no damage. Still lots of tenders doing fine outside and its almost December!!! It wont be long before the real cold and snow comes and all the tender plants go inside though. Lowest temperature here was around 30F-33F.

Good luck!
-Alex


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  • Posted by cfa_li Zone 7b (Near JFK) (My Page) on
    Mon, Nov 29, 10 at 16:29

Wow that's very interesting, how far from the water are you TropicalZone? I'm about 2-3 miles away from Jamaica Bay.

I think we have an unique set up, the Atlantic Ocean plus Jamaica Bay. This is also evident in JFK's record low (-3 F) compared to Central Park's (-15 F) and the average snowfall amounts 20in vs 26in.

We were actually supposed to drop to 31 but we only managed 35 (or 34).


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Minimum so far was on Sunday morning, 29 F.. This morning, the car had a heavy frost on it but not the palms that are still out. Even though I benefit from quite a bit of the urban heat-island effect, I also have a lot of woods around me, and I'm in a bit of a low-lying, valley/wetlands area--thus, my username--njoasis. Expecting big-time rain on Wednesday and max temps into the 60's though in the the near future. One of my pet peeves is that my cable channel gives me my "local" weather from an area one HOUR/50 miles west of here. So I'll either go with the NYC forecast or add six-seven degrees to the 'local' forecast.


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Im probably 1 /10th or 2/10th of a mile from the water so Im pretty close. I guess that since the wind was blowing offshore, the water did little to help moderate my lowest temperature. I guess it was time for a frost to come anyway and its not like the plants were growing much anymore! It looks like low temperatures in the upper 20s are pretty possible for the later part of the 10 day forecast. I might have to start protecting my palms soon!
Good luck!
-Alex


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The thermometer in my yard read at 22 degrees a few nights ago. I woke up to a terrible sight of my palms covered in frost so i instantly thought it was over. But just today my california fan palm unfolded a set of fronds and is growing another very rapidly, its like it prefers the cold. I am amazed at how hardy some palms are!


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Well, 29f is the official low. However it might have been colder last night, I will check in on it later... Damage isn't nearly as bad as I would have thought. Really only my bananas and cannas where burned. Yet I have many that are not damaged at all. Several might be done for this year, but I cant say for sure.
Other than that, my fig tree is slightly damaged too. Its funny how this guy and a few other trees randomly sprouted. My orange and avocadoe tree have no damage at all, citrus love this area. Oddly enough so do apples and more.

@ericthehurdler- California fan palms and mexican fan palms are very cold tolerant. Do you know which one you have? Are you in cali too? I believe they are hardy between 17-18f. I would protect them though if temps are at 20f or below.

Good luck everyone!
-US_Marine


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I had a light frost this morning we had a frost near me an some of the canna leaves were damaged.

I just wanted to add i live about 1800 feet away from the ny bay on a hill


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@us marine- its a california fan palm washingtonia robusta? the area of northern california im at is full of mexican and california fan palms.


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Washingtonita robusta is Mexican Fan Palm, Washingtonia filifera is California Fan Palm. When seedlings, they are very hard to tell apart. As they age, the robusta grows faster and has darker green leaves and, in general, a bit less 'cotton' fiber coming off the leaves. Petioles on robusta have a lot of red-brown color while filifera petioles are completely green.

Older palms are very easy to tell apart (except so many hybrids exist muddying the differnces)- filiferas have thick, straight trunks and tend to lose their peticoats sooner (unless getting a lot of ground water inland). They also tend to look unhappy near the coast and dead in areas of high humidity. W robustas have no problem with high humidity, though they don't tend to look quite as happy or grow quite as tall in such climates. W filifera is more cold hardy (supposedly down into the low teens) while robusta leaves will start frying around 20F. The crowns of filifera are, in general, more open and have less leaves, though the leaves are larger. W robusta crowns are densely packed with leaves but have an overall smaller crown.

HEre in inland So Cal it got down to 33F last night... but surprisingly no frost. Must have been a bit of wind.


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well now i know i shouldnt ever trust a plant label from walmart. i guess il have to wait and see what it is when it grows a bit more.

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Well the warm weather is finally gone for the season I think. We had another heavy frost several nights ago and it got down to 27F However the past couple days its been very warm 60-65. The low last night was 59, and it was 65 this morning at 9am with south 40-50 mph winds and driving rains. Calmed down for about 30 mins, then bam! heavy blinding rains and 50-60 MPH winds out of the NW, and it dropped from about 60-45 in the span of about 30 minutes. Its currently 41. Over the next 6 days the highs are going to be low 40s, with over night lows in the mid to upper 20s. I think this is the real turning point in the season. Were supposed to have snow showers here on Thursday evening / night as well. Fun huh?


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We also got some very heavy rain showers here today. There was about 15-20 minutes of pouring rain and very strong wind that really stood out among the rest. After that was over the rain slowly stopped and in an hour it was very clear and much colder and calmer. Looks like low to mid 40s for high temps here also and nights around freezing and some only in the upper 20s!! I hate winter so much and I cant wait to take the plants back outside in the spring!


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  • Posted by kinzyjr Lakeland, FL 9a (My Page) on
    Wed, Dec 1, 10 at 19:43

Heading down to 40 tonight here...


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Got down to 33F here in So Cal... brrrr.


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Been in the upper 30's to around 40 all day. Same story for the next week or so with temps trending COLDER. Low last night 27F. About the same tonight, and lower middle to upper 20s for the next week. Snow showers on Sat, unless this Alberta Clipper tracks 50-100 miles to the north, then DC will be looking at significant accumulating snow. As it stands now, it looks like the accumulating stuff will be from Fredericksbug, VA, south to the Carolinas with more snow the farther south you go. Bottom line its going to be COLD and WINDY the next several days here and the trend seems to be for more cold, for an extended period of time, with the possibility of more storms shunting southward. The Greenland block (strong, semi permanent high pressure over Greenland) is very strong this year, and that is seeming to help offset the La Nina. This is pushing the cold arctic air much farther south and east, and setting up a very deep trough in the sub polar jet stream in the east. Hence why the deep south is even seeing some of this chill. In spite of climatic differences from the very bad winter / blizzards of last winter, this winter is beginning to look like it might shape up similar to last. Last year we had our first blizzard on Dec 19th. Nov was very similar to this year, then Dec marked a sharp drop off in temps, just like were seeing here this year. So I guess well see. I dont think its going to be as BAD of a winter, at least HERE where I am, but I think we are still going to see a fair amount of snow, and probably some ice storms this winter as well. We did not have any icing events last winter, it was almost all snow every time.

Im not a huge fan of winter, and in fact I almost hated it many winters. That said, being a fan and grower of some conifers does help make winter not so bad.


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  • Posted by cfa_li Zone 7b (Near JFK) (My Page) on
    Fri, Dec 3, 10 at 0:49

Dropped to 34F last night, supposed to get to 33F tonight, inching closer to that freezing mark. =(

No snow in the 15-day forecast, only rain on two days. Mainly 40's for highs and 30's for lows.

I hate Winter but I can't complain, most of the country is colder and snowier, we haven't even had a frost yet and some trees still have green leaves. I need to move to a warmer climate though lol.


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cfa li, there are still trees with completely green leaves!? Thats very interesting. There are some trees here that are holding on to some leaves, but most of the trees are bare or almost bare. The overall color is brown even though lawns are still as green as summer and their are some annuals still in bloom despite 2 light freezes. Whats the lowest temp in your forecast? I think its about 26F here.

Good luck!
-Alex


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  • Posted by cfa_li Zone 7b (Near JFK) (My Page) on
    Fri, Dec 3, 10 at 2:03

Well not completely green but mostly green, some are actually trees planted last year (that million trees thing). I've never seen this before. Most trees are mostly bare, not completely as a lot still have brown leaves still holding on. The grass is very green here too.

The lowest temp in the 7-day forecast for here is 29 degrees, on the 8th.


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The leaves are still on many trees here, and it did freeze here. One thing I noticed is that trees in my area are holding on to their leaves longer and coming out of dormancy sooner. Its almost as if winter is getting shorter and warmer.


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Cfa li. Thanks for the info. Looks like they lowered the temps more on the forecast!! Jfk is now going down to 26F on one night and my area I think is going down to 24F or 25F, or at least thats what they are saying right now. People are predicting that the worst of winter on the east coast might be in December so if thats true, Im very happy! However if its only going to get worse from here, we will be having a VERY long winter and so will most of the country. I might have to protect the palms soon! Temps below average here, but it could be worse.

Us marine, winters definitely seem to be getting shorter. I definitely dont mind and I think the plants are happy too! Less time they have to spend indoors!

Good luck everyone!!
-Alex


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Well... Just recorded my lowest ever temperature, and probably lowest for 23 years tonight. We dipped to -9.5c or 14f!! Twinned with 14 inches of snow it looks bad. Also noticed the protection on the trachycarpus martianus has come off :-( oh well, it had a good few years and i was kidding myself i could grow it anyway


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Maybe I should move up north, we've already had 3 freezes here in northeast FL with temps in the very low 30s. This week we are suppose to be in the 20's for 4 nights straight with our lowest forecasted temp to be 23! Unusually cold for early December.


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@ theseventhlegend- Sorry to hear that. Its surprizing Northern Florida is going to get so cold. I live in Northern California, we have had 5 frost days so far, with the coldest being 29f. The rest were above 30f.

So far I still have a few cananas, and bananas that survived these frost almost undamaged. They have maybe 1-2% damage if anything near the tips.
I covered my coconut palm, surprizingly it worked. My coconut palm isn't damaged at all from cold. Time is ticking though. Maybe a colder freeze might end that, or as usual, the cool temps. I even have roses still blooming. Odd freeze, came early and now the forecast reports nothing below the 40fs at night with mid/high 50fs and a few low 60f days.
Lets hope winter doesnt get worse. Good luck everyone!
-US_Marine


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Heard about that North Atlantic Oscillation and its implications for our winter. Supposedly, for Europle the jet stream carries the big storms further south so that southern Europe (Spain, Italy, Greece, etc.) have a very WET and stormy winter and northern Britain (along with the rest of Norther Europe is bitter cold)--which they've seen already but with the snow too! For Greenland, it means another well above normal winter (more melting glaciers). On the East coast it's interesting. Bitter cold, arctic air seems to penetrate VERY far south (subtropical Florida), but if it's again like last winter, it may be stormy but normally cold in the Northeast (including locally here in NJ). Last winter was just weird. There was record cold in the South, but record warmth in arctic and subarctic Canada. Here in NJ, we were sort of in the middle and only saw a winter minimum of 14.0 F (not too bad and nothing local 6b-7a gardens are not acclimated to endure). But it was very, very stormy and wet winter as well with vigorous nor'esters (some of hurricane strength!)
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Yeah its very intersting. I hope that it doesnt mean another cool summer for the west. I would like to pass up on a cold winter too, we had record cold last year and this year frost came early.


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  • Posted by cfa_li Zone 7b (Near JFK) (My Page) on
    Sat, Dec 4, 10 at 15:13

We pulled through last night too, 33F at JFK, 35F at LGA, & 32F at EWR (Newark). Tonight is definitely it though, we have a low of 29F although after what has been happening the past few nights I wouldn't rule out having a low of 32F lol. It's amazing that we made it to December 5th without going below freezing while parts of the South has went below freezing numerous times.

This upcoming weather is the weather I absolutely hate, I want to move so badly. I have a very high heat tolerance and a very low cold tolerance. If I were a Palm tree I'd probably be a Washingtonia Filifera or something slightly more hardy than a Coconut Palm lol.

I'm really hoping for a mild Winter, as of now I don't know how it could turn out. Some are saying mild with little snow and some are calling for a repeat of last year.


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Dont feel too bad about a freezing temp coming because Orlando Florida is suppose to go down to 30F later this week! I find it so weird that New York City had its first freeze only 3 or 4 days before Orlando Florida most likely will have their first freeze! Right now they seem to be predicting a cold December and a thaw in January! I hate this weather also, but I would rather get it over with now!


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NJoasis, dont count your chickens...

Last winter was almost identical to this winter to date here in the DC area and look what we ended up with last winter. 76" of snow! Snowiest major city in the USA. Its been far colder than normal for the past 2 weeks here, and the first storm just shunted south of us. Slightly more to the north and we would have been looking at another fist significant snow here. Last year it was dec 19 we had our first "blizzard". Its only dec 5 now. We still have a long way to go. I'm not convinced our winter here will be as "mild" as they think its going to be personally. I guess well see. Seen snow flurries here twice already and its COLD here. High here at my house today was 38. Lows have been in mid 20s the past week. I guess well see!!


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I didn't say i was expecting a 'mild' or snowless winter. The thing you have to keep in mind about last winter is how truly lopsided it was. The major snows and arctic cold pushed much further south than normal but New England and Canada saw a relatively mild winter with much below normal snowfall. A few of the storms that buried you--especially early seaon, left us snowfree. But then came February and although it was VERY snowy, the winter was not unusually cold (relative to historical climatology). The thing that made last season so unusual locally was not the cold (that was normal), it was the intensity and frequency of coastal storms. Mid March featured the worst wind storm I EVER remember and I've lived in the area for a few decades now. We had near hurricane force winds for many hours with torrential rain. The rain was coming into the house through the WALLS--I've never seen this before but imagine it's not uncommon in hurricanes. Sitting in the dark, I thought I would loose the roof off the house! In the aftermath, large trees were down all over the place and there was no power for days. Not a 'mild' winter by any stretch of the imagination!


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Hahaha! Been there done that. Imagine being in a place thats 14 floors up, facing ESE during a hurricane. Not only were the huge sliding glass doors bowing in so much that wind was coming IN, the entire building was shaking so much that water was sloshing out of the toilet! That was hurricane Isabel here back in Sept, 2003.It was still a cat 1 when it hit here.

Oh I dont think the winter is going to be colder than normal. Last winter, we were about average here. What was above average was the precip. One of the big similarities so far this year, to last (other than it being very cold once December hit) is the huge blocking high pressure over greenland. So FAR (at least the past couple weeks or so) it has been very much below normal even as far south in florida. Tampa just a day or so ago saw a high temp of 59, and was in the low 40s/ upper 30s at night. Thats VERY COLD for that far south. I was only pointing out that this year, to date, is shaping up alot like last year. Its almost identical in how things have gone the past few weeks in terms of temps, and now this first significant storm pushing south of us. Its also been fairly windy here too. That last storm was not only a major rain producer, but a huge wind maker as well. Of course nothing is quite like the blizzards of last year, especially those that came in Jan/ Feb. Those not only produced FEET of snow here, but whiteout conditions with 45-55MPH winds during the storms as well. Last winter was the first time since 96 where I had to use the ski goggles just to go outside for any length of time here due to the snow buffeting your face like a sand blaster. I think on a whole, last winter was one of the windiest winters I remember here in a very very long time. Even with no storms, i remember the cold winds here roaring through the trees so loud you could not escape that noise, and like you, trees were coming down all over.

Just seems to me, at least so far, that this winter is very much like last winter to date. The only difference was last year there was El Nino, this year there is La Nina. That is (was) supposed to make for a milder winter for our area. Until two weeks ago that was holding true. Now it just keeps getting colder and colder and colder with next week forecast to have highs in the 30s every day. We should still be hitting about 50 this time of year here.

I guess well see huh? One forecaster here did mention just on friday that he was looking ahead a couple weeks and saw the potential for a big snow here in DC. I guess if that ends up happening then well we will be right on track as that would put us right around Dec 19 once again.


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  • Posted by cfa_li Zone 7b (Near JFK) (My Page) on
    Sun, Dec 5, 10 at 12:53

I vividly remember that Mid-March storm, we were at the Garden State Plaza at the time, right after we left the mall (about 10-15 minutes) it lost all power. Something hit our car but did no damage but it made a loud noise, then we see trees start falling onto the highway and police cars going crazy. Finally made it to the George Washington Bridge (which my phone said was closed) then they closed it literally right after we passed the toll booth (the light changed from green to red) so we were one of the last people to get on. This was the scariest thing I've ever experienced, the wind was lifting the front of our car off of the ground which is very scary when you're 100 feet above the super choppy Hudson River at nighttime and all I was seeing was the dark rough waters. Finally made it off of that and then the when we were on the Westside Highway the water was at the same level as the highway and was almost coming over the side, that park next to the highway must've been flooded. Then we get more inland in Manhattan and people are flying down the street. When we got home and got out the car and had a tough time just walking. The next day hundreds of trees were just everywhere. This was the most intense storm I've ever been in and I've been on the East Side of Hurricane Dennis when it was a Cat 3 or 4. Plus those crazy storms this Summer with those microbursts and tornadoes.

Oh and we were supposed to drop to the 20's last night but 32F was our (JFK's) low. I don't know how that happened, that threw me off lol. Maybe tonight it'll happen or if it doesn't then definitely the night after.


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I also remember the mid march storm and it was definitely the worst wind I have seen here. People had siding ripped off their homes, power lines were down or slanted, and trees were down. Their was one road where every power line was down for a few blocks (and large tree branches down with it). Ive never seen such a large and long lasting power outage here before!


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This wind will just not stop! Another day of gusts over 40MPH, and its supposed to continue right through Wednesday. High today was 37. Low tonight of 25, High tomorrow of 34, low of 22, and high on Wednesday of 33, low of 19, Thursday high 36, low of 24. After that things are going to moderate a bit going back to the low 40s/ upper 20s for Friday, then mid to upper 40s and low 30s for the weekend. If it gets up near 50 where it should be during the day its going to feel like spring after this last week for sure.


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Mid 30's by day and mid 20's by night. Supposed to rise to 50 on Sunday. As cold as it is, it's currently 36 in NYC and 35 in Jacksonville, Fl. Temps in Florida are dropping to record levels again tonight--20's and 30's (would't be surprised to see some teens in the northern part of the state)--That just ain't right! Got the last of the containerized palms into shelter for the season (P. canariensis, Washingtonias and Queens)--all without a hernia. Still haven't picked up all the leaves from autumn--just piled them around the the planted Trachys and Butia. The real cold came in very suddenly but at least it is very dry so far and not that windy.--Don't mind snow so much but ice is evil.


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When the west got our early cold front we also got cold, but I do have to say 29f is not a bad low especially this far north. It is amazing how cold Florida is going to get. We got lucky, and while the east is very cold, we are above average. This time last year we had record breaking cold. I do hope after this storm we all have a very mild winter.

Good luck everyone!
- US_Marine


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I don't know about teens but we are suppose to break the record low of 28 tonight by 6 degrees and hit 22! What the heck?


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26F tonight and then 23F tomorrow night! That isnt as cold as parts of the south, but its still definitely below average for this time of the year. The daytime temps are probably the worst part about this colder weather with daytime temps only in the 30s for a majority of the days. There is even one day forecasted to stay below 29F!!! That is considered a very cold day for January and its only December. Fortunately no teens in the forecast but one night will be at 20F. Hopefully this will be some of the coldest air of the year because if January is worse than this, then this can be a record cold winter! Fortunately they still continue to forecast a thaw in a few weeks.

Good luck!
-Alex


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Looks like the forecast is going down in temperature more! 15F at night for here later on this week. Areas in the south will be even colder and if the forecast is right, many parts of Florida (such as Orlando and Miami) will be breaking all time record lows (according to weather.com) Miami is forecasted to go down to 34F and Orlando down to 20F!!!

Coldest here so far is 28F.


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It's been very cold in Columbus. The lows have been in the teens with windchills around 0.


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Interesting, we are going to be above average for a while, and highs are getting close to records. Being strange as that is, I seen Southern Florida with highs much like SoCal. Very odd.


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Going down to 12-18F here tonight. BBBBrrrrrRRRRRRrrrrr Nuff said.


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For those of you out west, you can partially thank the greenland block for your warmth. It's the same block that brought the could and record snows to many parts of the northeast last year. The big difference this year are that the NAO is not at strong, and this is a La Nina year. That said, some of the long range forecasts I have seen indicate that the greenland block is going to break down in early January, which should allow more moderation in the temps out east. For right now though, its going to just be cold, and bitterly so for the next few weeks. Next weeks arctic blast is going to make this current one look warm for many. Im seeing high temps for my area next week of upper 20s to low 30s on the warm days, and night lows of 8-15. That is record breaking cold for this time of year for the mid Atlantic for sure.


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If it really is going to be colder next artic blast I wouldn't be surprized if even Southern Florida gets a frost. Wow, the west really did get lucky, even though my area went down to 29f when it was affecting the west, that is nothing compared to the lows the east is getting.
Good luck everyone, especially you guys in the east. Hopefully it doesnt get worse, and this will be it for winter.
- US_Marine


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Many areas of southern Florida will probably see a frost. Miami is forecasted to go down to 34F one night (last time I checked their forecast) which I believe is an all-time record low. Orlando will be going down to 21F which is near to an all time record low. These temperatures are even colder than last winter's which was a record cold winter for Florida. Only difference is this cold is a month earlier than last years! Hopefully there wont be too much damage to the palms and other tropicals!
-Alex


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We're geting record cold and it's not even officially winter yet. Forecasted temps for Florida next week have improved, thankfully, but it's still record breaking territory. Wonder if this is the year I loose my Queens. I lost a small one last winter when he had 13 nights in a row below freezing.


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We're geting record cold and it's not even officially winter yet. Forecasted temps for Florida next week have improved, thankfully, but it's still record breaking territory. Wonder if this is the year I loose my Queens. I lost a small one last winter when he had 13 nights in a row below freezing.


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Fortunately they did raise the night temps in my forecast also. Instead of 15F, 19F is forecasted which isnt as bad. If thats the coldest we get this year, then this would be considered a very mild winter, but the downside is that its only December and there is a LOT more winter left!
Good luck!
-Alex


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Wonder how this winter is going to compare to last winter. Take a look at the weather channel's map for the data from last winter (recently posted once again on their site). For the whole season, the coldest weather focused on the South. Another parallel is the ridiculous cold Great Britain and the rest of northern Europe is experiencing (just heard that they had -20 C. in Britain--that sounds cold without doing the conversion to F..) NJ/NYC Metro was only 'near normal' in temperature only--it was a crazy winter in other respects (fierce snows, rains, and wind storms). Oh God, I hope it's NOT like last winter!--And yet the winter minimum was only 14 above!

Here is a link that might be useful: Weather data from Winter 2009-10.


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First snowfall today. While it did warm up a bit (got up to 37) it still snowed. Southern edge of the weak clipper hit us. Lasted a couple hours and was mostly light, with a few moderate bursts where I am, with an occasional area of light coating. 10 miles to the north there was almost an inch on the ground and everything was white. Ahhh winter.


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We never made it to 22 the other night, actual was 25. Still cold for early December. Forecast continues to improve for next week.


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We made it to 19F last night according to weather.com, but I think it was a little bit warmer than that in my location. Looks like the coldest night is 21F mid next week, but the days will be VERY cold with every day after Sunday in the 30s (and one in the upper 20s!). Everytime I post, the forecast for next week gets a little bit better and better. Hopefully their will be some average temperatures in the forecast soon!
Good luck!
-Alex


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Lowest I saw here was 31F. Did some frost damage to grass and bananas, but all palms (date palms, pygmy date palms) are untouched as expected.

Does seem like the same weather pattern as last year. Hopefully, we won't have the two weeks of nights below freezing this year.


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This winter might be very mild for the west, and hopfully for the east as well. Late dec-mid/late Jan is usually the coldest here. So far the forecasts are very mild, hope they stay. One thing I noticed is a warming pattern in the west. Since fall I have seen very warm temps for the season show up randomly and stay a few days. I think if it keeps up like that spring will come early.

My dwarf bananas are slowly pushing up new leaves even though they were fried pretty good! My larger bananas don't seem to be doing that, but the smaller ones might be. I still have bananas and cannas with very little damage. My avocado tree (undamaged) looks as if its about to grow again. My inground coconut still green and slowly growing. Many trees ares still holding leaves. Since they have so many still I wouldn't be surprized to see them stay on until Jan. Interesting year.

I wonder if this mean a long hot summer? Good luck everyone!
-US_Marine


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One of my younger Sagos is already turning brown from the 20F a few nights ago, and the low Monday night is forecasted to be 19F.

Many of the Sagos, Washingtonias, and Date palms around here are just now recovered from last year, I'm not sure if they can take being defoliated two years in a row.


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Currently 18F, periods of light to moderate lake affect snow, 40mph winds. Wind chills around 0F or lower. Looks like a mini blizzard / dusty white hurricane at times. Yes, I said LAKE AFFECT snow. This arctic air mass is so strong, and the winds are so strong, that some of the thin, rope like bands of lake affect snow from the great lakes are making it this far south. This is even very cold for Jan/Feb, and its not even WINTER yet.


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I just looked at the radar, and this band of Lake Affect snow that is hitting us, is in fact making it all the way down to the Atlantic Ocean. WOW.


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  • Posted by butiaman 7b Douglasville,GA. (My Page) on
    Tue, Dec 14, 10 at 9:12

It's 14f this morning.We broke a 93yr old record,in 1917 it was 15f for a low temp.on this date.This is getting ridiculous,and it's not even winter yet!Were suppost to get up to 37f today and by Thursday the high will be 57f.I'm glad it's warming up but it's going to rain Thursday with a low of 31f,there saying it will be freezing rain.This FALL and last winter has been the worst I have ever seen in 42yrs.I'm moving to south Florida,LOL.
Randy


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Got to 21.0 F. last night with a very light coating of fine snow. Tonight down to 18.0. What's really amazing is how far SOUTH this air is plunging--HOMESTEAD into upper 20's tonight and 30's into the upper KEYS. Once sizable areas of land get covered in snow, it'll be even colder for North America. Getting ridiculous now!


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