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- Posted by Jsschrstrcks 9 (My Page) on Wed, Feb 15, 12 at 13:44
| haha glad to have inspired you to try different varieties. it looks as though the skull is empty of dirt? will you plant them in the dirt beneath the skull, and then train them through the holes? or fill the skull with dirt, and let the roots travel down through the dirt in the skull, into the dirt of the garden beneath? Either way, since you are going to have three trunks together, it seems to me that you could have them be a little on the leggy side... this will allow people to see the skull better, and shouldn't have the side effects that would come normally with a leggy plant (so long as you don't get too crazy with it). |
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| Yeah, the cut skull isn't filled, I just set it in a convenient pot to show roughly what it will look like. I'll definitely be filling it with dirt when I start the real thing. And yeah, if all goes according to plan I'll wait until the peppers are of fair size (I'm thinking 8-10"), hold back on their water enough for them to wilt a bit to make the stems more pliable, and trim the lower branches off to have good room for grafting them together with. After all, if this works, the cool twisted trunk growing into the skull's face will be one of the coolest parts about it, so you'll have to be able to actually see it. Added benefit of this approach will be, I hope, that at the end of the season when I cut it back into a bonchi it will already be fairly tree-like. |
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- Posted by Jsschrstrcks 9 (My Page) on Wed, Feb 15, 12 at 18:25
| Have you considered choosing as your third variety "de arbol". Its like a 3-4'tall woody stalked variety of pepper... kind of looks like a small tree (so i'm told) which could help the bonchi effect... |
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| I started the seeds for my peppers for this project today. The final choices are: Bhut Jolokia Also got the skull cut down further so that it lays flatter. I'm vaguely worried about the relatively small opening in the nose, but by the time that pepper grows large enough that it could be a problem they'll be grafted together and sharing roots, so it should be fine. |
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| Sounds like it will be a fun project. I look forward to seeing how it turns out late this summer. Bruce |
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| I hope so. It'll be an interesting trip, thats for sure. Biggest potential problem I'm seeing for it is the fact that there will be three plants with three roots in very close proximity. Under normal circumstances, I know that would cause all three to be stunted as they compete for the same food in the soil. But if they're all grafted together? I don't know what that will mean. Will it act like a single plant with 3x the root mass? I'm thinking it won't. I'm thinking the roots will support their own original plant along the outside (away from the graft) and then the middle roots and middle plant (the inside of the graft) will more or less merge together, but it won't be one big harmonious whole. But then again it might all just start playing nice and be more vigorous than an one of them alone would have been. Not sure which way it'll go, but it'll be fun to find out. =) Heh, and with the three hottest peppers in the world in one plant, it should make for some very interesting hybrid seeds, thats for sure. |
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- Posted by Jsschrstrcks 9 (My Page) on Mon, Feb 27, 12 at 23:59
| In order for there to be effective transmission of genetic material, you have to graft young scions onto established (1-3 month old hosts with 15-20 leaves). Otherwise it will most likely just be an awesome chimera! :D |
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| Yeah, I'm not going to bother with genetic transmission. The fact that there's 3 peppers on the same bush means cross-pollination will be rampant anyway. |
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- Posted by Jsschrstrcks 9 (My Page) on Tue, Feb 28, 12 at 9:53
| true! Should be pretty awesome... I have a theory that I'm going to email you about. |
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| ah Edymnion! After my own heart. I too am big into halloween, I also enjoy bonsai. But Halloween... ah, we have about 12 strobe ghosts, skeletons, and I have a ton of bigger than life monsters, including a werewolf, and headless race car driver, a couple of skeleton monks. I love making monsters. always planned on making one of di stefano's corpses... but never got around to it. We have people driving by and videotaping our acreage. |
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| Still waiting on my super-hots to sprout, the wait is killing me. So, to pass the time, I went ahead and got the first pot fixed up. Skull is in place and stuffed with soil, and I've seeded some shade loving moss plugs around it. Will be months before the peppers are big enough to do fancy stuff with, and hopefully by then the moss will have spread out to fill the container top around the skull. In addition to making it look cool, it should also serve as some natural mulching. And since it likes the shade, it should be perfectly happy with a big leafy frankenpepper growing over the top of it blotting out the sun. Obviously this pot is too small for a giant pepper plant, but it will suffice for quite a few months before I have to up-pot to one of the big 25 gallon containers. I'll have to start keeping my eyes open for some nice spooky/gothic/etc pots of about this size for it's final overwintering/bonsai container too, so if anybody happens to see a really wicked looking container, let me know. |
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- Posted by Jsschrstrcks 9 (My Page) on Sat, Mar 17, 12 at 21:41
| looking great brother :) |
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| Minor update, the Douglah is already transplanted into the left eye socket, and I just saw a bit of curvy green goodness in my starter tray in one of the Butch T cells, so the right eye socket will likely be filled here in the next couple of days. That just leaves a bhut to hurry up and sprout to be officially underway. I ended up pulling the moss though. Someone over on the Fatalii board brought up a very good point. This moss likes to stay moist. The peppers like to stay dry. Would be exceedingly difficult to find a watering routine that would keep both of them happy, so screw it. Peppers > moss, moss went back home out in the yard. I'll just have to find some other form of ground cover for it later. |
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- Posted by ottawapepper 5a (My Page) on Wed, Mar 28, 12 at 18:32
| Edymnion, I don't want to throw a wrench in your neat plan but, don't mosses have little to no root systems? If so, could you not bottom water the pepper and mist the moss? Just askin. |
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| Not this stuff, it had roots a couple inches deep, but I just found a better answer while I was out shopping today. Stays very short, grows in a dense mat, thrives in dry conditions and full sun. Specifically recommended for placement between bricks and paving stones, or in this case skulls and container walls. It even has pretty little purple flowers from time to time. |
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| All three strains of peppers are planted in the skull (bhut, douglah, and butch t). Found some cool little candelabra decorations that were gothic looking that inspired me to scale things up a bit. Short trip to Walmart for some battery powered LED tea lights and appropriate holders and viola, bored Edy. |
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- Posted by chile_freak none (My Page) on Fri, Apr 6, 12 at 23:10
| dude that's wicked, love it! keep up the good work and keep us posted -paul |
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- Posted by Armageddon none (My Page) on Fri, Apr 6, 12 at 23:25
| looking pretty sweet :) |
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| It's already looking pretty cool, but, once those peppers grow in it'll be that much better!! |
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| Heh, once this thing is grown and has peppers on it, I'll probably be too afraid to get close to it. My crotch still remembers last year's "this is why you wear gloves when cutting up superhots" 5 alarmer. |
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- Posted by Jsschrstrcks 9 (My Page) on Sun, Apr 8, 12 at 22:44
| ROFL. I don't think anyone ever forgets the first time they make that blunder. One of those moments permanently emblazoned upon ones mind. Looking great though!! You may need to register that thing as a weapon of mass destruction though ;). |
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| Minor update, everyone is doing well. As you can see in the picture below, the oldest of the three is coming along nicely with its first true leaves, the second is just starting on on theirs, and the last one to be transplanted... well its young yet, it just gets a participation award for now. =) |
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- Posted by ottawapepper 5a (My Page) on Tue, Apr 10, 12 at 18:22
| Love it! Keep the updates coming. |
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| Yah, pretty cool project you have going there. Bruce |
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| I'd wire up 1-2 red led's in the skull for the glowing effect! I love this idea! Might have to re create it in AZ! Nice job! |
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| These have been outside for a while now, and are generally doing okay. They seemed to be having a bit of sun damage though, so I rigged up a DIY shadecloth over them until they get bigger. Was going to buy real shadecloth until I got a good look at the stuff and went "This is just glorified screen door meshing, I've got rolls of this at home!". Sure enough, couple of crisscrossed layers twist-tied to half an old wire tomato cage later and I've got myself a shadecloth. |
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| Update, still not much to see. Cotys on the t.scorp are drying up, but the true leaves seem to be just fine and its working on a second set, so not particularly worried about it. Note the artful splatter of bird poop on the right side of the cranium. Perhaps I should invest in a falcon... |
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| That is a great project you have going. Love the updates. Bruce |
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| The true leaves on the bhut there on the bottom look a little yellow to me in this picture (and in person), but I'm reluctant to do anything to it at this point. The potting soil has osmocote in it, so I don't want to add more fertilizer to it. I don't think its overwatering as I honestly don't give it that much (and most of what I do give it is most likely draining down through a good 2 feet of soil below it), so I'm just going to wait and let it do it's own thing for now. Learned that one long ago. When in doubt, LEAVE IT ALONE! |
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- Posted by natebetween none (My Page) on Tue, Apr 24, 12 at 1:12
| I showed this to my wife and told her that I want to do this. She was not amused. Ha ha...love it. |
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| If it works as planned, that will be very cool! |
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- Posted by ottawapepper 5a (My Page) on Wed, Apr 25, 12 at 18:43
| It keeps getting better and better. I'll be interesting (cool) to see how it works out. |
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- Posted by Jsschrstrcks 9 (My Page) on Sat, Apr 28, 12 at 10:39
| Thats awesome :) looks like your project is going well! |
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| All three of my Frankenpeppers are officially out of the "Please don't die, please don't die, it'll take way too long to replace one of you and it'll make my final product look all lopsided and funny, please don't die!" phase. |
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| Oh, Mount Doom is doing well also. The roots must have hit the ornament by now, thats not a very deep spot of dirt. Hopefully they're growing in a visually pleasing manner! |
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| No pictures this update, mainly because the frankenpeppers are looking rather sickly at the moment. Fertilizer burn. They were looking pretty yellow and I had some of my good fertilizer in the garden sprayer. No clue how strong the mix there was, but I just poured some into the watering can with the rest of the water. Apparently it was still too strong. Bad news is that I lost some leaves and what I do have left are half brown. The good news is that whats left is nice and green. Been raining for the past week, so any excess appears to have washed on through. None of them are dead or appear to be in immediate threat of dying, but a couple are kinda sad looking right now. But, they'll spring back, they're peppers. |
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| Pepper abuse!!!!!! |
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| I do not abuse my peppers! This one is just clumsy. It walked into a doorknob... Anywho, they're all better now and a nice dark green, so I'd say it was worth it. Whatever doesn't kill them just makes them stronger! |
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| Looking good. That nose pepper looks like it might be getting a little shaded out at this point. Bruce |
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| I was thinking the same thing. I might need to do some pruning on the other two. |
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| Ooh baby, Skull Mountain is coming along even better than I had hoped. I dug it down a bit to start exposing the roots so that they'd lignify better (along with repositioning them so they'll have a nice spread), and its looking GOOD. |
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| Frankenpepper is also doing well. Its becoming a fight against the two bigger, older peppers to keep them from shading out the nose pepper, but so far so good. |
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| Looking real good. You might try clipping all the leaves on the inside of the two eye peppers, then if possible, face the thing so the chin on the skull is facing the sun. Also, is that some kind of moss growing on the soil? |
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| I do clip the leaves on the eyeball ones, they just keep growing new ones that have to be taken off too. And thats elfin thyme growing around it. Very drought tolerant, should make good living mulch. |
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| *Bump* Edy, when are we gonna get an update on this? Are they blooming yet? Any pods? |
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| Still in a holding pattern. This last... nearly a month of 100+ degree weather appear to have slowed them down quite a bit. Just got the first rain in about as long, so thats good. They probably haven't been liking the chlorinated stuff out of the garden hose too much. And if anyone is wondering about the hole in the thyme, it was mounding up in an unattractive fashion so I trimmed it back down. Does not seem to have regrown to close the hole as quickly as I expected. |
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| Oh, and update on the Death Mountain Douglah. As you can see, the roots have continued to bulk up nicely. So nicely in fact its about time to pull the soil level down on them again. |
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- Posted by habjolokia 7 (zellmarkj@yahoo.com) on Mon, Jul 9, 12 at 17:00
| Insane what you do with the pepper plants, pushing them to the limits without killing them. Looks Cool! |
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| hahahaha, some good stuff there. Those are some neat projects. Bruce |
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| Scary mood lighting, or just waited too long for it to cool down out there to take a picture without a flashlight? You decide! Actually, comparing it to the picture from this morning, I didn't really end up pulling the dirt any further down at all. I did end up repositioning the roots though so that they fan out more. Can also see where I had to tie the trunk to the side of the skull. It always comes loose when I mess around with it. When its all said and done, I'm probably going to superglue it down to the skull. Until then, a bit of twine keeps it in place while I push the roots back closer to the mountain. |
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| Well, I have either started the final phase of the project, or I have killed all of the peppers involved. I'll let you know in a week or two. Was pruning the middle leaves off the big two when I realized how lignified they were getting. Lignification = bad for merging and flexibility. It was now or never, and the little one was still too short to avoid being shaded out by the two bigger ones if I left the tops on them. No choice but to top them all and start weaving the new growth together into a nice bush. They're peppers, they should respond well to aggressive pruning, but it always feels like I'm killing them to do something this drastic, even though I've done it before and they turn out just fine. |
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| I didn't realize you were going to braid them. Good luck and keep us posted on progress. Bruce |
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| Whoa! I didn't expect that!! Do you think the mountain ones would grow more side roots if you covered them back up and kept it moist? Kind of a uncover, reposition, recover for root growth, repeat until you're happy? |
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| Yeah, I want the stems merged into one by the end of this for the frankenpepper (hence franken-pepper, different bodies squished together into one functioning whole). I had hoped to get them merged closer to the base, but not sure if I can pull that off now. I'll make it all work out somehow though, assuming they don't drop dead on me. Will have to keep a close eye on their water situation for a while. --- Thing with the roots is that while you do get more roots if you let them stay covered, the roots you get are small. When you uncover them and force the plant to grow them deeper to keep getting to the good soil, it will naturally prune back the extra hair roots and then bulk up the main tap style roots. They get bigger and thicker and cooler looking because they are having to act as main highways to get the nutrients from the finer hair roots below up to the plant above. Its why I'm pulling the dirt level lower and lower down as I go, it forces the plant to grow gnarlier roots that then lignify in the light. |
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| Went out and washed the soil down with water to get it to settle. Definitely ended up pulling the soil level down about as much as I had wanted to (thought I ended up bringing it back up to where it was, but it settled down nicely). You may notice I stuck some soil back up along the left side there and on top. The left side had a runner that I'd like to prompt to fill out some more, and would like to see if I can start anything from the top to drape across the back just for the sake of stability. And the full plant, if you want to see that. Some leaf curl from the extreme heat and drought we were having, nothing serious though. Should bounce back from that pretty quickly. And since I took the picture while I was out there, my sweet banana pepper that has finished it's production run, so I trimmed it way back to see if I can turn it into a bonchi as well. It's trunk and roots aren't as pretty as the others, but all in all it has potential for being a large bonchi. Any new growth that I will want to keep is going to come from the fork there at the top, but it looked cooler right now to leave the extra stumps above it. Who knows, maybe something will sprout out of the tops of those. Can't hurt, might help. Thats my inflatable snake in the background, keeps the rabbits out of my garden. |
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| Awesome! Peppers really do bounce back from everything! |
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| Yup, and as you can see, they bounce back quite quickly. Not bad for one day's growth since the last picture. |
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- Posted by avidgardener25 none (My Page) on Sat, Jul 14, 12 at 16:29
| This project is quite impressive. Very nice job. |
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- Posted by avidgardener25 none (My Page) on Sat, Jul 14, 12 at 18:28
| I was wondering what kind of moss is used in the skull project? |
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- Posted by habjolokia 7 (zellmarkj@yahoo.com) on Sat, Jul 14, 12 at 18:53
| Thyme is mentioned in the thread. I think moss was not used because it holds too much moisture. |
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| Yeah, I'm using Elfin Thyme in this one. The moss was too water dependant. The thyme likes being dry, just like the peppers, so it works out quite well. It also stays very, very short. |
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- Posted by Armageddon none (My Page) on Mon, Jul 16, 12 at 16:31
| here is a potted Nu Mex from the seeds ya sent he is doing pretty good i also have 1 in the ground but he has no blooms just yet . |
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| The foliage has blended together nicely. Its too thick now to really see whats going on underneath it. |
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| Yes, looking good. It seems I can see three distinct plants but overall, it does look like one nice bushy plant. Can't wait to see some blooms and then pods on them. Bruce |
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And we are officially down to the base of the mountain, so this is the last pulldown for this one: Now to just leave it alone and let it thicken up and grow big and strong. I hope... |
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| That's pretty cool! |
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| Kool. That takes patience, and some know how. Great job. Bruce |
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| They both look great!! Who knew there could be so much artistry in growing peppers??!! :-) |
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| I hate these hugely long threads with thousands of photos (takes forever to load on my crappy DSL). But I always check this thread when it gets updated. Really neat looking projects. I would be proud to be the creator of either of them. Bruce |
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| Yeah, this thread is getting pretty long in the tooth, but the season is almost over and its kind of neat to scroll through and relive it all. |
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| Minor updates. Skull Mountain is doing well. Frankenpepper isn't living up to my expectations as well as the other, but its doing okay. I think it'll be a few years before it really merges together the way I envisioned. I went around and gave all of my potted peppers fertilizer sticks that caused some burn and leaf drop in the days after, but as you can see they've all bounced back happier and healthier than before. Had me a little worried with how bad the leaf drop was, but it worked out for the best in the end. |
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| Amazing work. I'm thinking ripe pods by Halloween? |
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| Yes, very nice little project. Bruce |
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| Since the season is beginning to wind down, I decided it was time to start some preliminary sculpting on Skull Mountain. It had gotten nice and bushy, but since I want it to look like a tree some of those side limbs needed to go. By trimming off the lower ones (that didn't have any fruit set on them) now, I'll give the wounds time to scab over and heal before the big final chop down. Try to limit the stress I put on it at any one time. And just because I thought that big gaping hole in the bottom of the mountain was, well, gaping, I made a decoration to put in front of it. |
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| Now that is some serious rootage. Shall we re-name this the Hot Pepper Torture Forum, or start a new one? Do you have a shot of one of the skull plants with red pods? |
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| No ripe pods on the skull yet, although it has added a scorpion pod to the douglah pods it already had. The mountain one here has three or four douglah pods on it as well now, but still green. I'll probably have to bring them in and wait for them to ripen the pods before I can fully cut them back for winter. Not 100% on if they'll get there in time before the weather goes bad on me or not. Heh, for some reason, if you constantly chop and torture a pepper plant, it tends to be fairly slow in producing fruit. Who'd a thought? |
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| Okay, well the pods on the Frankenpepper started turning the other day, and the small ones on Skull Mountain were still green and its getting pretty late, so I said screw it, time to chop back. This'll give it the last few weeks of acceptable outside weather to leaf back out some before it comes inside for the winter. |
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| Very cool plant. That will be fun for the winter. Bruce |
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- Posted by PEPPERMEISTER1 6 (My Page) on Sat, Sep 29, 12 at 12:08
| So cool Edy! I love how those badass roots wrap around "skull mountain". |
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| Minor update, as much so I can track it's progress as to show you guys: Weather is getting cooler now, slowing it down a bit. Which is good, I think. Slower growth, smaller leaves, getting it used to having less strong sunlight, should hopefully help in overwintering it. At least thats my theory, it surely has nothing to do with just not wanting to clean out the space to bring them inside yet. |
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| Awesome stuff Edymnion! I don't know what you do for a living but I bet people would be willing to pay money for that kind of artwork. Kevin |
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| I'm a computer programmer that writes policy files for automating attendance and leave management software. Gotta do something artsy and creative when your day job is that dull. =P |
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| Plant looks like it is doing very well. Good new growth too. Bruce |
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