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Greenman's Peppers 2014

Posted by greenman28 NorCal 7b/8a (My Page) on
Thu, Feb 27, 14 at 22:03

It's that time again.....and, as always, my deep thanks to those of you who have kept me supplied with the spiciest seeds available.

Here we are 10 days with 15/18 cells showing signs of germination. I'm most excited by the fact that I actually have Douglah this year! Two cells of seed from two sources - Jaime, your seeds sprouted yesterday (9 days) and the GeoSodja sprouted today (10 days).

How 'bout some germination times. Seeds sown 2/17/2014:
Day 4 - The Thai Chiles, Hungarian Wax, and Hatch.
Day 5 - Carolina Reaper from Ed Currie, all three seeds I sowed germinated.
Day 7 - Yellow Brain Strain and the first of the Black Pearl
Day 8 - Peach Bhut Jolokia and more Black Pearl.
Day 9 - Red Bhut Jolokia and the first Douglah.
Day 10 - Douglah, second seed source.

So, which seeds have resisted? One cell of Red Bhut Jolokia, one cell of Black Pearl, and one cell of Yellow 7-pot. At this point, however, I don't think I need any more plants. I've promised a few spares to my fellow pepper compatriots.

Better pics as the peppers grow. For now, an overview of the hatchlings....

Josh

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The Thai, Hatch, and Hungarian....
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RE: Greenman's Peppers 2014

  • Posted by esox07 4b Wisconsin (My Page) on
    Thu, Feb 27, 14 at 22:18

super healthy looking josh. Is there anything but bark and perlite in there? I will be looking for updates as things progress.
Bruce


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Hey, Bruce, thanks!
There's some Turface, red lava rock, and even a small amount of quartz grit in the mix. Oh, and guess what? My Black Pearl have green cotyledons this go around....let's hope they turn purple in a hurry :-) More pics as things progress, for sure.

Josh


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  • Posted by esox07 4b Wisconsin (My Page) on
    Thu, Feb 27, 14 at 22:44

My BP's came up green mostly black but some green as well. They turned all black pretty quickly though. I think the light source has a lot to do with it. Possibly the soil and nutrients as well. That early test BP that I grew stayed green forever and as soon as I put it under the floro lights, it blackened up almost over night. The main planting of BP's that I did came up partly green but quickly changed to all black within a couple days. They were under floros the whole time. This picture is from a week ago after they were about two weeks from planting. You can tell which are the BP's.


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O' yeah ! congrats Josh. And I see you sow generously. Are you going to separate them?

BTW: The other day I went to O'Reiley Auto Parts. Bought a 25LBS os floor dry (100% DE, for $9). I took a sample, weighed it and soaked it for couple hours, strained it, weighed it again. It doubled in weight, almost exactly. So remembering that Josh uses it in his starter mix, I also "Copy Cated" it and mixed some with my starting mix. How bout that !
I am going to use some to kill slugs with and other them creatures.


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Be sure to take pics, Seysonn....we love pics 'round here ;-)
I haven't used actual Floor Dry, but I use Turface - and I have friends who use pure Floor Dry to start seeds. I think you'll do well.

Bruce, your Black Pearls are lookin' sweet. And those Aji Limons are one hell of a pepper! Delicious fresh and incredible as a powder....citrusy, bright, yellow, and hot. Probably the best fish and poultry powder. If you haven't tried them before, you will be impressed! But beware the heat....it might be more than you want.

Josh


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  • Posted by esox07 4b Wisconsin (My Page) on
    Fri, Feb 28, 14 at 10:02

Yah, I am sure the heat will test my bounds, but that is OK. How good of producers are the Aji Limon's?

BTW: Do you use any of that Turface/floor dry in your summer 5-1-1?
Bruce


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Aji Limon are prolific producers! Tons of those small awesome pods.

In past seasons I have used Turface occasionally in place of the peat component. For example, one season I used half a part of potting mix and half a part of turface. It seemed to work well. I might use it this season, since I have about 40 pounds of turface in my garage :-)

Josh


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  • Posted by esox07 4b Wisconsin (My Page) on
    Fri, Feb 28, 14 at 10:55

OK, I was kind of thinking it might hold on to a bit of moisture for those hot dry sunny july and August days when it seems you have to water twice a day to keep the 5-1-1 from drying out.
Bruce


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Well Josh, you're certainly packin some heat this year!

Plants are off to a good start.

Keep up with the pics.

Rick


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Hey Josh,

What Rick said!

I guess I should get my act together and get a grow log started for 2014 ;-)

Bill


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  • Posted by esox07 4b Wisconsin (My Page) on
    Fri, Feb 28, 14 at 16:56

Yah, if you don't log it, it didn't happen.
Bruce


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Nice start Josh! I do a pretty porous starter mix like that too but after I set the seed I screen fine mix over it to keep them more in contact with moisture to reduce casings from staying on.

The BP's you sent me didn't fare too well the first try, so I have another batch in paper towel. I did get a couple of the bhuts to sprout, though. 2 chocolate and one red. Hope they make it, because it looked like the seeds got crushed a tad in shipping and not sure about the other seeds I didn't sow. No biggy though -- as long as I can get these up and going, I'll be ecstatic. Got PLENTY of Naga, bhut? and 7 pot powders.

This years grow for Bhuts is more for pure seed saving than anything else. That and sauce. Got plenty of that too LOL

Looking forward to more great pics.

Thanks again! By the way, finally getting some significant rain down here.

Kevin


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Howdy, all!

Well, at Day 11, I have good news. I see activity from my second Red Bhut Jolokia cell, which means that 17/18 cells have germinated.....and that brings me to a 94% germination rate. That's the best I've had. The only seeds not to sprout were the Yellow 7-Pot from a buddy in Texas.

Kevin, we got 3.5 inches of rain out of the recent storms....very nice the past couple days. I collected some rain water to use for my seedlings. As for the Black Pearl (and the crushed seeds), so sorry about that - I'll probably switch to the padded envelopes that folks like Jaime and Bill use from here on out. The Black Pearls have been resistant for me, too....they've all sprouted now, but took as long as the superhots to do so, and they're real slow once they do sprout.

Thank ya, Rick! And, Bill, get that grow-log goin' ;-)

Josh


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  • Posted by esox07 4b Wisconsin (My Page) on
    Sat, Mar 1, 14 at 15:12

Sounds like your season is off to a great start Josh. Keep it up.
Throw up a photo next time.
Bruce


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Definitely, Bruce! More photos to come :-)

Josh


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Josh.. No worries. In fact, that was the most organized and packed self-made bubble envelope I've ever seen. Your penmanship is exquisite! I wouldn't switch -- maybe just tape up the bubble wrap. I think as they went through the machine, one edge of the envelope slipped and the choc bhuts got crushed a tad. But like I said, got 2 chocs and 1 red up and going. It's all good to me!

:)

Great start for you on the germ rates and yes -- much needed rain. I think we've gotten a couple inches with a tad more today and maybe tomorrow. I think L.A. fared better than us. Looks like you're going to get more soon. That may have been it for us. Usually clears out after the equinox :(

Anywho, happy peppering!

Kevin


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  • Posted by esox07 4b Wisconsin (My Page) on
    Sat, Mar 1, 14 at 17:14

Glad you Cali guys are getting some good rain. Both NoCal and SoCal, I think. Too bad that once it gets to the mountains it becomes snow. Have I said that I am sick of this winter yet?


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Bruce, the rain is nice....but what we really need is the snowpack in the mountains so that the moisture will be released slowly throughout the Spring and Summer. Wish you guys across the nation could get a break, though ;-)

The first appearance of true leaves on the Thai, Hatch, and Hungarian.


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Excellent looking plants Josh! Looks like you're off to a good start. I can't wait till we start seeing some pods. Keep those pics coming!

Tim


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Looking good, Josh. Just right timing for zone 8, I would think.

I started mine way too early. Mistake == Experience. haha
But I am keeping them in 3-4" pots until plant out or hardening off.
We have crazy weather up here : It is neither cold nor warm. Temps in mid 30's to low 50's range will linger on til mid April or even longer.
Got to do some cool crops, for sure.


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Update....good color, compact growth, no issues thus far.
I did the first round of seedling thinning - snipped out the excess Thai and Hungarian seedlings, as well as a couple redundant superhots.

Overview.

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I will do a second round of thinning for the Thai seedlings (on the left), then I'll separate the keepers and pot them into their own containers.

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Superhots, slowly growing. I will attempt to separate the duplicates so that I can give away the extras. Four Douglah, two Reapers, two Red Bhuts, and one Peach Bhut.

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More Thai, Black Pearl (that I haven't thinned yet), and a lone Yellow Brain Strain....

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[for some reason, a duplicate image of the Thai/Hatch/Hungarian keeps showing up in the Preview....]


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  • Posted by esox07 4b Wisconsin (My Page) on
    Sun, Mar 9, 14 at 15:31

Yah, those certainly do look like healthy seedlings. They are coming along really well. A couple of those cells are really crowded. It is hard to snip those extras, isn't it???
Bruce


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Hey, Bruce, yeah it takes some nerve to cut them out ;-)
When I seed the Thai and the Black Pearl....I just crack the pod in half and dump the contents into the cells without counting the seed. Then, of course, almost all of them come up! I like to give the seedlings some time to develop, so that I can see which ones have the best true leaves before I snip the rest.

Josh


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  • Posted by esox07 4b Wisconsin (My Page) on
    Sun, Mar 9, 14 at 16:41

Yep, that is about how I approach my culling activities. I cut them back to 2 or 3 fairly early on but I dont go down to one until after I see at least one set of true leaves. I am going to have to some culling soon on my second round of seedlings.
Bruce


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Hi greenman those peppers look really cool but I was wondering where do u get your seeds im looking to start growing peppers and cant find any pepper seeds in stores any suggestions????

From someone who wants to starts growing peppers


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Most of the seeds I have were sent to me by generous members at this very Forum, or from members of gardening groups on Facebook.

Josh


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Ye gods man tell us your soil formula, its like candy!


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Hehe, thanks, Valdo. It's a mix of fir bark, perlite, and turface (with some red lava rock, too).

Josh


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Dang amigo, but that stuff on the market. It looks like trailmix!!!


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That's what everyone says, haha, Trailmix or crunchy granola cereal ;-) This mix is based off the principles of the Gritty Mix and the 5-1-1 - it's basically just a 5-1-1 that uses Turface instead of peat/potting mix.

Josh


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Really nice looking plants Josh. I'm always impressed with those who can cull. I'm a sucker, I just can't kill a healthy plant, so I end up with a ton - I can't even throw away cuttings that I take off of my coleus ;-(.

btw, dumb question, I always see written that Aji Limon and Lemon Drop are the same, but some of the photos of the Aji fruit do not look like my Lemon Drop fruit. So, guys, are they the same plant?
Pam


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  • Posted by esox07 4b Wisconsin (My Page) on
    Tue, Mar 11, 14 at 10:55

Pam, I seem to remember seeing them being refered to as one in the same as well, but then others say they are different. I think it is kind of the Hot Hungarian Wax/Hot Banana Pepper issue.
Bruce


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Yeah, Bruce is probably right....confusion of a couple peppers going by the name Aji Limon / Lemon Drop. I know for a fact that the pepper is given both names by marketers. This year at the Farm, we're growing several different Aji Limon seed sources, one of which is packaged Aji Limon / Lemon Drop. Those tasty little peppers made such an exceptional yellow powder that we're growing a bunch more :-)

Josh


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  • Posted by esox07 4b Wisconsin (My Page) on
    Tue, Mar 11, 14 at 21:12

Josh: So those peppers that were so tasty, what were they actually? Aji Limon or Lemon Drop? Or neither?
Bruce


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Well, Aji Limon is what we grew last year (from my identifying by images on the 'Net).....but over the Winter, the Farm ordered more seeds from different sources than last year.....so that means we get to find out if these new Aji Limon are the same as the others we grew. A few of the images on the packaging have caused me to think that these new seeds might be a larger podded (yellow) variety. Always fun and interesting :-)

Josh


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Still looking good Josh, as always!

That's funny about the Black Pearl.. I started a few more after failing on 1st and one solo cup has green leaves and one has black(2 seedlings in each), but there's nothing different about the conditions whatsoever. They even sit right next to each other under the lights.

Kevin


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I'm thinking about culling the ones that aren't purple/black.....just to be sure.... ;-)

Josh


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We'll do an experiment. I'll let mine go and see what happens. they're slow like chinense though. I hope these ones make it. Cotyledons are tiny!

Kevin


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I am SOOOOOO confused now! I had grown Lemon Drops from Totally Tomatoes for several years. They were really good, strong lemon flavor and hot, and extremely prolific. I didn't make powder out of them, sounds like a good idea. Well, this year I had germination problems so a friend was ordering seeds (I will have to look to see from what source) and they had Aji Limons, with "lemon Drop" in parens. The fruit really didn't look like my Lemon drops, my lemon drops are kinda sunken in on the sides, making them more triangular in shape (if you slice the top off and look down on it), these did not appear to have the sunken feature. I am wondering if they are the same. I hope you are being good with the labels so you know exactly which plant came from where. I'd be very interesting in hearing the results. I did have one of my old seeds germinate so I can compare it to the new ones, but I'm curious now. ;-)
Pam


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What method did you use to germinate Reaper seed.I tried
bag method and lost all of my seed.


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  • Posted by esox07 4b Wisconsin (My Page) on
    Wed, Mar 12, 14 at 14:05

Josh: That would be one of the first criteria I would use in choosing the ones to cull. In fact, one of my BP's was green where the others were mostly dark colored and I took out the green one. He looked the part otherwise, but it just made the choice easy.

And as far as the Aji Limon vs Lemon Drop goes, I have what i think are Aji Limon's growing. i will have to wait and see what comes out of them. I think maybe we should start a thread this summer/fall and post some pictures and compare and try to determine what each of us is really growing.

An oh, a new format for the list. When I first see these changes, they really bother me but I am sure this will be fine in a few days.
Bruce


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Hey, guys and gals, I think I'm going to do some separating/re-potting this weekend....we'll see :-)

As for the Black Pearls, perhaps I'll keep them and just do a side-by-side for future reference. If the ones with green cotyledons don't color up properly, or if the pod shape is different, I'll know I have hybrids.

Pam, the Aji with which I'm familiar are fairly tiny with sunken sides, delicate skin, sometimes a bumpy skin (like my Yellow Ghost peppers). Will do a comparison, and I'll take lots of pictures at the Farm.

Tandrew, I just germinated all my seeds directly in the mix.....sowed the seed, covered the cells with plastic wrap, and waited. The Reapers came up in 5 days.....fastest superhot I've ever germinated.

Josh


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  • Posted by esox07 4b Wisconsin (My Page) on
    Thu, Mar 13, 14 at 14:19

Tandrew: Yep, my Reapers came up in 8 days. I might have a few seeds left. If you PM me your address, I will mail you some.

Josh: I am looking forward to seeing if I have Aji Limon or Lemon Peppers growing. I will be looking forward to comparing mine to yours and others later this year. Either way, I will be happy.
I am looking forward to a picture of your potted up seedlings Josh.

Bruce


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Nice seedlings, Josh! I'm impressed not only by your germination rate, but also with your speed to germination. I think that chinense seeds have taken me 3-6 weeks in the past, though the other species were all under 10 days like you. I think you'll be very happy with your crop this year. Douglahs in particular are really special.

The Aji Limon/Lemon Drop thing is confusing indeed. Interestingly, that plant is a baccatum, though there's also aji limo, limo, and limon, three distinct chinense varieties.

Last year I started seeds of 30 varieties in true 5:1:1 and it worked out quite well for me though they needed to be watered every other day or so. This year, I'm babysitting some conifer grafts and with less time on my hands I decided to take a break from seedlings, so I've pre-ordered my plants from Cross Country Nurseries. With their amazing selection and $3.75 each, it was just too easy. But I do miss the tiny little tykes and I'm looking forward to your updates for a taste of what I'm missing.

Alex


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Josh, that sounds like my lemon drops, except when you say "tiny" what do you mean? My lemon drops .... This is going by memory (it's been a couple of years since I grew them) were about 1.5-2" long and about 1/2" or less around, and tapering at the end.
Pam


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Thanks, Alex! Some of the seeds are still sprouting, over three weeks later. I just noticed a couple more Red and Peach Bhut seeds have germinated. Alas, they won't make the final cut ;-)

Pam, that's exactly the size....I guess I consider those "tiny" compared to Jalapenos, et cetera. I wish I had a good picture, but the woman with whom I work took the worst pictures last season. Here's one of the better images from the end of the Summer.

Josh


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  • Posted by esox07 4b Wisconsin (My Page) on
    Fri, Mar 14, 14 at 1:11

Wow, that is lots of peppers. By the way, nice nail polish Josh.

I too had several peppers sprout 2-3 weeks after planting them. I usually have one or two but this year I have 5 or 6 at least.

Bruce


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Dang! you beat me to it Bruce!!

Ok Josh, those look like my Lemon Drops. I hope that means they are all the same.
Pam


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Thanks....you know I like to take care of my nails, hehehe ;-)

That was just one flat of the Aji peppers, and we had to harvest because the frost was coming (thus all the green pods). But throughout the season, we harvested many hundreds more of the bright yellow ripe pods.

I've thinned my seedlings further....so now I have two seedlings per cell, max, and I will attempt to separate these this weekend.

Josh


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Josh your plants look great! Gald to see a 2014 season post, always enjoy reading and learning from your posts. How are your Douglah doing? I was not sure which ones they were in the pics. I have two growing and they are both the worse looking, they are runts while all others are surpassing them even the Manzano's. From the looks of all the peppers in the pics you posted they are all doing well so your Douglah are doing better than mine, are they a weaker variety?

Mark


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Hey, thanks, Mark.
The Douglah are doing quite poorly by comparison....weak, and with some sort of leaf discoloration. I need to re-pot all the seedlings to really see what's going on in the root-zone. I will keep you updated.

Josh


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Hey Josh, mine are displaying leaf discoloration, but I thought it was just the light source they are splotchy green and purple. Did you overwinter your manzano? Looking forward to your updates.

Mark


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Interesting!
As for the Manzano....no, I let it go this Winter when the freeze hit. Quite a shame, too, since there were about fifteen green pods on the plant. I liked the flavor, I thought it was a unique pepper, but didn't justify the labor and, in particular, the space required to winter it. I will probably do a red Rocoto next go round.

Josh


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Last year I had five Black Pearls come up. Two were considerably greener than the others when little but turned black soon enough.

Those yellow pods look like my "Lemon Drop" last year.

Dennis


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Yes, Dennis, that's what they are. Aji limo/n, Lemon Drop.

Josh


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Hello! Things are speeding right along this season. My seedlings are lush and fat compared to my plants last year. One of the Thai chiles is branching and putting out a bud already. Most of these are about a month and a half now.

Josh

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Nice Josh! Lookin pretty.

My annuums are budding too and they're pretty young themselves. Getting them in the ground as soon as the heat wave is gone.

Kevin


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  • Posted by esox07 4b Wisconsin (My Page) on
    Wed, Apr 9, 14 at 8:44

Yah, Josh, your seedlings always look great. I mean, they all look perfect...sighhhhhh!


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Hey Josh,

Your season is off to a very great start. The top group of peppers are the two in the middle Douglah? If so they have surpassed mine in size already, they are very slow growers or we got the same seed stock? I gave a weak dose of ferts still nothing while all others are doing great.

Mark


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So when is the big transplant day? I get such itches to throw the birds from the nest. In my region it aint much of a problem.


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Kevin, why wouldn't a heat wave be good?


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Hey, guys, thanks! I'm very pleased so far....

Valdo, no transplanting until May :-) Our overnight temps are still in the chilly 40F's.

Mark, the peppers in the top-middle are both Carolina Reapers. The Douglahs are on the far left, top and bottom (with a late-start Peach Bhut Jolokia between them).

Josh


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Valdo: Not when they're young. Mid 90's is going to be a great thing to warm the soil, but transplanting in those temps is not very wise.

Side note(has nothing to do with my peppers at the moment)---

When it comes to flower and pod set, extended periods >95F is not a good thing. Even though plants like toms, peppers, squashes, etc like warm temps, they don't like TOO warm. That's why places like Texas and the deserts have difficulty sometimes-- it just never cools down for good flower production.

3 things that will help those that have weeks on end of high 90's and triple digits---

Heavy mulch
Shade cloth
Containers(so you can move them to cooler places in the middle of the day)

Kevin


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Your plants are looking great Josh, but I'm not surprised lol.

Keep up the good work!

Rick


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Noted, this all goes in the debate that I am having about whether or not to put them in front yard. For reasons beyond me, I am drawn to containers.


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Don't. Containers are portable and thus provide a great temptation to jealous neighbors / passersby.

Or you could bury the containers...


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Looking beyond good Josh. Glad I was finally able to catch up ! One thing I have noticed about the Douglah variety is they seem to demand more NPK than any other variety I have grown. Hope this will help turn them into monsters :)


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Thanks, Rick and Jaime!
Good tip, Jaime, I'll do an extra fertilization for the Douglah, although they seem to be pulling their weight, finally. Yesterday, I took all the seedlings out to the shade on the back deck....

Josh


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...the peppers have officially outgrown the space under the lights, and so I left them outside all together for the first time last night.
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Very nice plants! My Moruga Scorpion looked like the one on the upper right before hardening and finally in the garden.

Keep us updated!

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Thanks, Dave, the one in the upper right is a Thai chile...maybe you mean the upper left? That monster is supposedly a Yellow Brain strain, so it should bear pods very similar to the Moruga (which is a devil of a pepper).

Josh


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That's the one I meant :) Upper left. Wider leaves.
I've seen the Brain Strain on YouTube..crazy!
Do you have them outside yet?


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Yeah, I've been hardening them off outside for the past three days....but last night we snapped back down to 40F, which no doubt will slow their growth for the next few days. I need to be more vigilant.

Josh


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