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A little late to the party� Ottawapeppers 2014 Grow

Posted by ottawapepper 5a (My Page) on
Wed, Jun 18, 14 at 18:35

Hi folks,

Yes, I know I'm late. the season is almost half over. My bad.

For those interested, here's a bit of a long winded description of my season so far.

My objective for 2014 was to:

- grow out some seeds in my inventory I haven't tried yet, some 5, 6 even 7 years old;
- grow out seeds for varieties I'm really low on to replenish my stock, and;
- grow some of my standards I use on a regular basis through out the year.

I ended up optimistically starting 44 varieties for myself but in the end had to cull them back to 31 varieties for space reasons.

As usual this season I started my long season super hots in January and my regular season ones too soon in mid to late February. Unlike previous seasons, I've had a few mostly self inflicted bone head stumbles this year.

I started off seeding 144 (2 x 72 cell trays) cells in dry mix with the intent of dropping the trays off with friends to start while I was out of town for a few weeks. The day before I was going to drop them off the heat pump went in their greenhouse grow area (they're farmers). I decided to dome the trays and keep them in my coolish basement and start them when I returned. I got home after 15 days to a bunch of extremely leggy half dead starts. I guess there was enough humidity to get a few growing. I salvaged most by sinking them deep in 3 inch pots, they are tougher than you think.

From there I managed, with a little help from my well intentioned GF, to screw up my watering regime. Yep, after many years growing I did the noob thing and overwatered. Yes I forgot the pepper growers version of the carpenters "measure twice and cut once" rule. I didn't check to see if they needed water, I just watered. Oh, the shame!

While getting the watering sorted out, knowing better, I decided to use up some old fertilizer for my first few feeds on some of the starts. Big mistake. I'm pretty sure concentrated salts in the old ferts caused a few plants to go into nutrient lock out. I'm still struggling with a few, mostly chinense, not taking up nutrients properly. I have a question on this later.

Fast forward to today, we've had a cool and wet start to the growing season up here. I didn't get my plants hardened off and potted up into 5 gallon pots until late May. Since then we've had our fair share of cool and wet days.

We had to do some work around our patio and walkways in the backyard so I took the opportunity to pull all my potted plants into one area for a family shot. They look like drowned rats due to two days of torrential downpours before I took the shot.

I'll start posting updates and more detailed pictures as the season progresses.

Now a question for you fish emulsion experts. My chinenses seem starved for Nitrogen more than anything else. I'm really hesitant to hit them with more salt based nutes. I found 5-1-1 Fish Emulsion Fertilizer at a local garden center. My question is; can I double or even triple the dose without causing problems. I figure since salts are non existent it shouldn't burn the root and the plants can take as much as the need.

Yes? No?

TIA,

Bill


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RE: A little late to the party� Ottawapeppers 2014 Grow

They look pretty darn good for all that, Bill!
I was expecting a lot worse from the initial description! Now, about that Fish Emulsion....I've never used it at high strength. I would personally cut the dose to 1/2 strength and fertilize twice as often.

Josh


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RE: A little late to the party� Ottawapeppers 2014 Grow

Hi Bill,

Plants are looking good even with the issues they faced. The way I see it you are not late to the party, always on time! I used the fish fert and never measured just poured into my watering container as I saw fit and mix the water and poured. On the bottle it states will not burn and my plants never suffered from my generous estimates. But giving a higher concentration you may be waisting your money as it will most likely not all be used and since in pots could be washing out that extra dose on the next time you water. So stick with Josh's suggestion 1/2 more often feedings.


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I'm with Josh Bill. I use Fish Emulsion every 15 days or so and at half strength. I used a full strength dose once and it seemed to cause some fert burn on my leaves.

BTW, your plants are looking good! Keep us posted :p

Stoney


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  • Posted by esox07 4b Wisconsin (My Page) on
    Wed, Jun 18, 14 at 19:14

Ottawa:
Glad to see your early problems are resolving themselves. Looks like some nice plants right now. I just started using the fish emulsion this year. I don't recommend it for your plants while they are in the house. Even outside it makes you think you live on the banks of a river. I have been adding it to a 5 gallon pail of water at the prescribed rate and first watering my plants with tap (well) water until the soil is thoroughly wet, then I dump about a gallon of the fish emulsion mixture in on top of each container. Seems to be working good except that we are getting so much rain that I have only added the fish emulsion twice so far this summer. I think my plants could use another shot but we have gotten over 4" of rain in the last two days with more predicted over the next 5 days.
As far as giving them a heavy or double dose, I guess I would consider that if I really thought my plants needed it. I have read that it is hard to over fertilize with the fish emulsion to the point that you would harm your plants.
Bruce


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Fish Emulsion takes about a week to become available to the plants, which is why I like to fertilize once a week (to keep the nutrients available). The directions say to apply every 2 weeks....so I cut the dose and apply once a week. The half-strength dose also cuts down on the odor. Pre-water, fertilize, then a light post-watering to drive it into the mix/soil.

Josh


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  • Posted by esox07 4b Wisconsin (My Page) on
    Thu, Jun 19, 14 at 15:12

Hmmm, that is about how I do it Josh, except I don't do the post watering. Sounds like a good idea though. I really would like to give my plants another shot of fish emulsion but we keep getting rain night after night. We have had 4.5" in the last three days with more on the way today and good chances each of the next five days. I haven't fertilized in about three weeks. They really need to dry out a bit at this point but as long as it is going to keep raining, maybe I will just go ahead and dump some fish emulsion mix into the plants and let the rain do the pre and post watering. They can't get much more saturated right now anyway. Then, when the rain stops and they start to dry out, maybe the fish emulsion will be ready for the plants to use. What do you think???
Bruce


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If the rain won't stop, fertilize anyway. Sounds like a good idea, Bruce. The rain will be flushing nutrients, so they need to be replaced.

Josh


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RE: A little late to the party� Ottawapeppers 2014 Grow

Thanks for the advice everyone.

I'll heed to the collective wisdom and go with half strength twice as often. So that's N-P-K of 2.5 - 0.5 - 0.5 right?

Overall I'm getting good bud and flower formation, although a little earlier than I like, so I guess they're doing OK. Just low on Nitrogen.

Here's a shot of a Reaper that looks a little more green than in real life. It's not the deep green I'm used to getting from my plants.

Here's a shot of a TS Butch T that just hasn't hasn't responded to anything. Since I'm probably going to loose it, I'm going to double dose it to see the effects.

Here's a shot of a Piri Piri, Naga Jolokia PC1 and Guajillo that are doing just fine nute wise. Yep I know, they're pretty close together. Due to the number of pots and limited space I'll be doing a lot of bagging this year to collect true seed.

To finish on a high note, I caught the the SOB that was going to wreak havoc on my non-pepper veg garden. Got him in a human trap (GF's insistence) and relocated him to a nice lush field a few miles away. Amazing how lush fields grow at military rifle ranges ;-))

Bill


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They sell human traps that small? What are they for, naughty toddlers?


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Wow, for a rough start your plants look really good. Heck, I have had a great season and I don't think mine look as good as yours.
You know there are very few things in this world I hate more than looking stupid, but WTF is that? I can't figure it out, is it a groundhog, marmot, prairie dog?
Pam


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Its an ROUS.


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hahaha, I had never heard of that before... but yeah, that's obvious. We ought to be able to narrow it down from that. ;-)
Pam


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LOL Ohiofem. Damd splle ckher!

Pam, that's there was a really pissed off groundhog (aka woodchuck). A small one actually.


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Looks more like a beaver.

I only wish my plants were so big they would interest a beaver...


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RE: A little late to the party� Ottawapeppers 2014 Grow

Nice plants Bill! Glad to finally see some pics from one of my favorite posters! They look great except for the minor paleness.

I'd do as Josh suggested also. I do tend to save my fish ferts for the ground though, but will give my potted ones a dose or 3 throughout.

Why not FP or MG?? The synthetics will work faster. A full dose of either with a bit of epsoms will green them up in no time, IMO.

Look forward to more pics later.

Kevin


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Good catch, Bill!
Reminds me of the Summer when I warred with the Raccoon people...trapped 8 of them, two in one day on one occasion. I also caught 2 skunks....and caught one of my cats, twice.

I do favor a synthetic fertilizer, but I assumed you wanted to keep it organic (with the Fish Emulsion). If you're willing to go the chemical route, the results will be much sooner realized. Either way, I think weekly doses will get those plants going.

For the pale plant in particular, I would recommend an Epsom Salt watering. 1/4 - 1/2 teaspoon mixed in a gallon of water, and then thoroughly saturate the container. The cool thing about Magnesium deficiency is that the issue can be corrected visibly within a week (3 - 5 days).

Josh


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ah, ok, groundhog, we don't have them around here, I know what skunks, possums, moles, raccoons, and armadillos look like, but haven't seen many groundhogs.

hahaha Josh, I bet your cat was happy with you. Wow, how did you deal with a trapped skunk? We had to throw away a couch a few years ago when one of our Kuvs came running in from outdoors and immediately jumped on the dog couch and started rubbing his face all over it. By the time we realized what was going on it was too late for the couch. ;-) Up close and personal those things STINK!

Pam


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DMForcier, Beavers are a lot cuter ;-)

Thanks for the kind words Kevin.

Josh and Kevin, I had been using synthetic ferts in varying strengths until I recently became concerned about salt build up. I'm using Pro-Mix as my grow medium so it doesn't drain / dry as fast as say a 5-1-1 mix. I'm was thinking all the feeding, flushing and drying out was probably compounding any possible nutrient lock out problem.

In hindsight, if I had only taken my own advice on most plant problems... don't over care for them and they'll usualy take care of themselves , both the plants and I would be happier now ;-)) I'm going to start backing off on trying to make things 100%. I don't want any cure to kill the patients!

Oh well, live and learn and re-learn. On with 2014.

This post was edited by ottawapepper on Sat, Jun 21, 14 at 16:24


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I wouldn't worry about salt build up with all that rain/water. Besides, organic ferts have salts too. I agree with the latest advice to yourself --- you know what you're doing!

Kevin


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...on trapping a skunk.

You approach the cage with a large plastic sheet held out in front of you, which you then lay over the cage. Then, carefully, you open the door and walk away :-) The second skunk that I trapped was fast asleep in the cage, and actually stayed there all day, even though I opened the door. He left around four in the afternoon.

My cat was a good sport about it :-)

Josh


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Kevin my friend, where were you months ago when I needed a slap to bring me to my senses ;-)

I'm just going with half strength watering for the next few weeks and let them do their thing.

Bill


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Kevin my friend, where were you months ago when I needed a slap to bring me to my senses ;-)

I'm just going with half strength watering for the next few weeks and let them do their thing.

Bill


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  • Posted by esox07 4b Wisconsin (My Page) on
    Fri, Jun 20, 14 at 17:44

Bill: I agree with woohooman. We as pepper growers tend to overthink and overdue just about every aspect in our pepper growing. I find that less ferts, less watering, less of human intervention is best. Sure, we have to keep them watered, but even a lot of veterans can't stand to see a plant leaf wilt a little bit. And every time we see a yellow spot on a leaf, we want to throw fertilizers or epsom salts or lime or some thing on them. Every time we see some U/I bug on a pepper leaf, we run for the 12 gauge shotgun, at least I tend to do that. Less is best.
Bruce


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Bill and Bruce, considering the entire Butch T plant in the pic is pale yellow, I think the Epsom Salt is a must. Very little work with potentially fast return. At the least, it will help rule out Magnesium deficiency.

Josh


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For those contemplating war with the raccoon people, I recommend the film Pom Poko from Studio Ghibli.

Hint: There may be side effects...


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Hey Josh, thanks for the tip (on skunks) that's a good idea, I hadn't thought about that.
Pa


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Pam, a caveat....
....the plastic sheet isn't 100 percent!
You'd be amazed at how much that skunk spray "splashes" off a plastic sheet, hehehe ;-)

Josh


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Off to the rifle range again...

This is a small one. Got it in a squirrel trap, not the full sized one. I saw what is probably the mother this morning. I'm going to need a bigger cage, she was huge. I think I'd rather be dealing with Josh's Raccoon and Skunk friends!


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Ha! I'd rather deal with Raccoons that Groundhogs, too! At least the Raccoons don't actually eat the plants...they just dig around the roots or bump them over.

Josh


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What the H is that?

Stoney


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Stoney,
that's a Groundhog, aka Woodchuck, aka Marmot, aka the largest member of the Squirrel family :-)

Josh


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My wife really likes him. She didn't like the rifle range part..lol!

If that thing ate my peppers down to the soil, I'd be pretty p'd!

We don't get them out here but we have squirrels, skunk, racoon, opossum, and rabbits similar in size.

Stoney


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Double post.

This post was edited by stoneys_fatali on Sat, Jun 21, 14 at 16:07


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Stoney,

They don't really bother with peppers or tomatoes. They do however wipe out just about any other plants in our veg garden.

Tell you wife they are humanely trapped if that makes her feel better ;-)

Bill


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Ha!

She knows that ;-)

Yeah, my onions and tomatoes would be toast. My artichoke is spiny..wonder if he'd eat that?

Stoney


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  • Posted by esox07 4b Wisconsin (My Page) on
    Sat, Jun 21, 14 at 17:52

I don't know how they deal with pepper plants, but I would not want to tangle with one. THey can get real nasty.
What are you baiting the live traps with to catch them???
Bruce


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Bruce, I'm just using plain old lettuce. I am however guiding them from their entry point into the trap by blocking off the sides.

I don't think I posted my final 2014 grow list anywhere. Here it is, 32 varieties. I'm growing two Reapers, seeds from different sources.

Have any of you ever grown a variety you really liked but for some unexplainable reason neglected to grow it again for years?

I'm making up for my omission by growing both the Cosa Arrugada de Viejo and Onza Roja. Both are low on the heat scale, 500 and 40,000 SHU respectively, but their flavour is great.

The Cosa Arrugada was the first plant to put out pods this year. Too soon I think. The plant should be twice the size plus before it puts out pods.

There is absolutely no info out there on the Cosa Arrugada. Maybe it's mis-named or maybe it just hasn't caught the attention of growers. The name as far as I can determine means Spanish adj. wrinkled, lined; wizened. The pods fit the description. The last time I grew it I didn't take pictures. Click the link below to see my seed source's picture of the ripe pod.

Anyhow, I'm taking my own pictures this year. Here's the plant today, half its normal size:

Here's a pod shot. It still has and inch and a half to go before it's normal size. It's 1.25 inches now.

It's putting out buds really well so if the pods grow full size I should have a good harvest.

Since the plant was the first one to put out developed pods (before any of the others flowered) I figure it's safe to save seeds from the initial ripe ones. Just in case I bagged a branch to be sure.

I'll post a few shots of my Onza Roja in the next day or so.

Bill

Here is a link that might be useful: John Fiedler's PBase Cosa Arrugada photo

This post was edited by ottawapepper on Mon, Jun 23, 14 at 5:05


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Bill, Remember awhile back I was searching on it and asked you, you said then it might be a mis-spelling. I don't remember how but somehow I got another spelling and actually found information on it. BUT, and it's a BIG BUT, I don't remember anymore than that, including the dang spelling. I'd love to find out more on it, you sent me my original seeds, just wish I could remember more than the mere basics.
Pam

Dang it Bill! I decided to go looking to see if I could jog my memory, when my search pulled up this link:
http://elatelierdelapiel.blogspot.com/search/label/Arrugas
Now I'm going to have to find a hot poker and poke my eyes out!

This post was edited by kuvaszlvr on Mon, Jun 23, 14 at 16:09


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Pam,

Find an extra poker and heat it up for me ;-))

Thanks for sharing???


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hahaha, I busted out laughing when I read your response and hear from above, "what cha laughing at?" He thought it was funny too, I showed him the photo. GOD, that image is burned in my brain, I'll never get it out. Actually, it's your fault Bill, cos you were having troubles I went out searching to try to help. Just shows, no good dead goes unpunished.
Pam


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Bill's Calendar for June 24, 2014

8:45 - 10:00 Traumatic Eye injury Specialist

10:15 - 12:00 Memory erasing specialist.

12:01 - 12:15 Butch T Cornbread Muffin & coffee

12:16 - 12:50 Mickey of Tequila with Lime and Salt

1:00 - 1:30 Watering plants

1:31 - ? Sucking thumb in a fetal position.

Pam, THANKS for the Memories.

LMAO,

Bill


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RE: A little late to the party� Ottawapeppers 2014 Grow

Bill.....Plants look great as always. On the fertilizer issue, I alternate between synthetic and natural. Fish emulsion one time, MG the next. It works pretty good for me.

Do I even want to consider clicking on that link?

Tim


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"Do I even want to consider clicking on that link?

Tim"

Only if you want to see what the original Coppertone girl would look like today... 100 years later. (cringe)


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OH GOD Bill! You are killing me!

mecdave! Good one! Actually, she's probably 35. Dang, I will never get that image out of my head.

Pam


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Of course I now have to Wiki it...

"It dates to 1944, when pharmacist Benjamin Green invented a lotion to darken tans. The company became famous in 1953 when it introduced the Coppertone girl, "

Ok, so she's only 61 plus what, about 3 or 4 y/o? See what tanning does to your skin? Adds 40 years and makes you look 100! LOL

Here is a link that might be useful: Coppertone girl

This post was edited by mecdave on Tue, Jun 24, 14 at 10:24


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Bill the pretty much absent member here.
Sorry, it's been a crazy summer and I haven't had time to post / contribute as often as I'd like.

I harvested my first real crop this past weekend (see poor quality picture below). I still have another 18 varieties starting to ripen now plus a load of these. I'm in the process of sampling and saving seeds from this batch. I'll post better shots of pods and observations in the coming days.

Clockwise starting from the 12:00 position:

Peruvian Serlano, Chervena Chujska, Santaka, Brain Strain - Yellow, Cosa Arrugadade, Pitanga Amarela, Numex Espanola, Seven Pot Douglah, Scotch Bonnet - Jamaican MOA, Carolina Reaper, Guajillo, Unknown

Center:

Red Ruffle


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That is a nice -n- hot plate there, Bill.

Ready to make some sauce or what ?


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I agree with Seysonn, a nice looking HOT plate.

Sandy


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Just a quick post of my harvest today. Earwigs have launched a major counter offensive attack so some pods were picked before they were ripe / fully ripe.

Clockwise starting at 12:00: Piquillo, Naga Jolokia (PC-1), PI 181864 (aka Aleppo), Seven Pot Douglah, Santaka, Chervena Chujska, Jalapeno, Carolina Reaper, Brain Strain - Yellow, Cosa Arrugadade

Center: Guajillo


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Hey Bill, what is Red Ruffle? Looks cool, never heard of it.
Pam


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Hi Pam,

I don't have any info on its background except that it was classified as an heirloom variety. It has a similar but less tangy flavour profile as your standard red Bell. I'd even go out on a limb and say it has a more complex (don't ask me to elaborate) flavour than red Bells. It does have a little thicker flesh than Bells.

I'll be posting more shots of them shortly. I have lots of seeds drying now. Drop me a line if you'd like to try them.

Bill


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That's a nice looking plate of peppers. You plan on eating all of those?

Tim


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Great pics Bill! Always love the names of your varieties -- you definitely fly a less ventured path than most of us.

I'm curious about that bell-like one also. I'm currently searching for some type of sweet that delivers in the flavor of a red bell, but is more productive and ripens quicker. I'm tired of growing a half dozen bells in order to get the production I want and then they all come in at the same time, leaving me with TOO many to use in a short period.

Kevin


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