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| Would it be much trouble to grow these where I'm located, and overwinter them in a container in the house? Are they a good 'candidate' for a perennial chile here in KY? |
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- Posted by sidhartha0209 6 (My Page) on Thu, Nov 8, 12 at 12:04
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- Posted by sidhartha0209 KY_6a (My Page) on Thu, Nov 8, 12 at 12:09
| Description from thechilliman.biz: "Rocoto (aka Locoto in Bolivia). Manzano is Spanish for 'apple' (aka Tree Chilli) and is the only chilli to have black seeds. The flowers are a stunning purple and it has "hairy" leaves. A 'cool climate chilli', it has historically proven a little difficult to raise in a hot and humid environment, but find it a protected spot out of fierce sunlight and wind on that corner of your verandah, provide it eventually with a climbing trellis, and success will be yours. The thick fleshed apple-shaped pods can be up 5-6 cm long. Its increasing legions of fans have described it as having a slow creeping type of heat with an outstanding fruity flavour - almost apricot-like - excellent for chutneys, hot sauces and jam. A chilli much prized for use in salsas. Because of its shape it's also great stuffed. This is one of my favourite chillies. It makes excellent jam and mango sauce (see recipes)." |
Here is a link that might be useful: Rocoto Manzano Orange
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- Posted by greenman28 NorCal 7b/8a (My Page) on Thu, Nov 8, 12 at 12:38
| I'm not sure if I'll try overwintering my orange Manzano...it is very tall. The growth habit does seem to be a more vine-like climber. In general, I don't like to overwinter tall pepper plants - but if I hard-prune the plant to bring it in, I will lose the only two pods that my plant set (late in the season). Decisions, decisions ;) My Manzano is handling the cool temps better than the other peppers, though. It is more Another issue is that this was the only pepper attacked by aphids this year. Josh |
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- Posted by kentishman 7 (king1823@gmail.com) on Thu, Nov 8, 12 at 14:09
| I tried Red Rocoto and Orange Manzano this year. I knew going in that South Carolina wouldn't be the ideal climate, but my plan was to overwinter them in hopes they'd produce fruit the second year. So far, so good. Both plants have flowered (and the purple flowers are pretty), but only the Red Rocoto has produced fruit. It has a few pods, one of which is over 2 inches in diameter. I'll be potting them up this weekend to bring in. Both plants are over 2 feet tall and as wide as they are high. I expect they'll grow a lot taller next year. Based on my progress, I'd say it's worth a try in KY. |
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- Posted by sidhartha0209 KY_6a (My Page) on Thu, Nov 8, 12 at 16:37
| Hey Josh, thanks for posting: "I'm not sure if I'll try overwintering my orange Manzano...it is very tall. This is where you lose me, what's wrong with giving a tall pepper plant a hard pruning and bringing it down to size? What happens? "....but if I hard-prune the plant to bring it in, If it were me I'd forego the quick nickel and go for the slow dime with my sights on next year's harvest. "....My Manzano is handling the cool temps better than the other peppers, though. It is more green at this point, and has only shed one or two of its lowest leaves all season..." What's your average summer and winter temps there? Summer temps routinely hit the high 90s here WITH high humidity also. "Another issue is that this was the only pepper attacked by aphids this year." Dumb question probably, but why is this an issue? Did it stunt the plant? Is there risk of bringing the aphids in if you try to overwinter it? Larry |
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- Posted by sidhartha0209 6 (My Page) on Thu, Nov 8, 12 at 16:55
| Hey kent, thanks for commenting: "I tried Red Rocoto and Orange Manzano this year. I knew going in that South Carolina wouldn't be the ideal climate, but my plan was to overwinter them in hopes they'd produce fruit the second year. So far, so good." That would be my plan also, set my sights to the second year and beyond. Kinda like waiting for asparagus to come on three years after planting... :-) "Both plants have flowered (and the purple flowers are pretty), but only the Red Rocoto has produced fruit. It has a few pods, one of which is over 2 inches in diameter...." Do you think the Red Rocoto may be more tolerant of the heat & humidity? "I'll be potting them up this weekend to bring in. Both plants are over 2 feet tall and as wide as they are high. I expect they'll grow a lot taller next year...." Will you hard prune them back to be shorter than 2 ft? "Based on my progress, I'd say it's worth a try in KY." Thanks for that opinion, that's what I'm after. Good luck with your's. |
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- Posted by greenman28 NorCal 7b/8a (My Page) on Fri, Nov 9, 12 at 0:05
| Hey, Larry! "This is where you lose me, what's wrong with giving a tall pepper plant a hard pruning "If it were me I'd forego the quick nickel and go for the slow dime with my sights on next year's harvest." "What's your average summer and winter temps there? Summer temps routinely hit the high 90s "Dumb question probably, but why is this an issue? Did it stunt the plant?
Josh |
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- Posted by sidhartha0209 6 (My Page) on Fri, Nov 9, 12 at 7:07
| "... I'm not sure I'm sold on this plant...." Ahhhh, that I understand, please by all means let me know your final analysis. For some reason the thought of biting into an apple sized hot chile is very appealing to me! "Hot dry Summers, cold wet Winters. 90F's in the Summer, 50F's in the Winter" Heheh, hahaha, ROFL !!!! You call that cold? Is it possible to overwinter this plant outside at your location? |
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| The other thing to note about manzanos is they are a premier chile where chikles are grown commercially. The taste is good, the size is good, ,they are prolific and etc. |
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- Posted by kentishman 7 (king1823@gmail.com) on Fri, Nov 9, 12 at 9:18
| Larry, I'll try to dig up the Rocoto and bring it inside without pruning back. That's because I have a couple of good sized pods that I hope will ripen up. Later on I might cut it back so it takes up less room. I've actually got two Manzanos and one Rocoto, and only the Rocoto has fruit. So, with very little data to go on, you may be correct that the Rocoto can stand the heat/humidity better. By the way, in addition to the neat purple flowers, the leaves have an attractive downy appearance unlike any of the other capsicums I've grown. Tom |
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- Posted by sidhartha0209 6 (My Page) on Fri, Nov 9, 12 at 9:32
| Hey willard, tell me what differences there are between Red Rocoto and Orange Manzano. Is one more tolerant of heat than the other? Same taste? Heat? Anything else you can think of. Thanks Larry |
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- Posted by greenman28 NorCal 7b/8a (My Page) on Fri, Nov 9, 12 at 9:55
| Tom, indeed that fuzz is the characteristic for which this species, the pubescens, is named. I haven't determined yet if the hairy leaves will make it more difficult to treat with soaps. Larry, we have a pretty mild Winter for the most part. A few snowstorms only, and a few nights I will certainly give you my final analysis. Josh |
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| Manzanos, whether red, orange or yellow, are long season peppers, so they often don't ripen before frost. For that reason, I have brought them inside for the existing pods to ripen. The one year that I left them inside to "overwinter" our whole house was inundated by aphids. I'll never do that again! Being from they mountain regions of Mexico, they like cooler temps and partial sun. John A |
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| Wow you guys totally just made me very interested in growing this next season. |
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- Posted by sidhartha0209 6 (My Page) on Sun, Nov 11, 12 at 13:40
| "...this was the only pepper attacked by aphids this year." "...I can't stand aphid-magnets, and it's a big risk "The one year that I left them inside to "overwinter" our whole house was inundated by aphids. I'll never do that again!" So, I suppose that this is a major consideration if one intends to overwinter these chile plants indoors. They're 'aphid magnets', more so than other chile plants, correct? |
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- Posted by greenman28 NorCal 7b/8a (My Page) on Sun, Nov 11, 12 at 13:52
| I can't say that conclusively, Larry. However, *this year* it was the only plant attacked by aphids. Anecdotal evidence at best. My concern is that it may be more difficult to treat. Aphids indoors are pretty much a given, so I will have to treat the plants eventually...but if this plant keeps hosting aphids and if it doesn't respond to treatment as well, then it will be a bad choice for me. Josh |
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- Posted by sidhartha0209 6 (My Page) on Sun, Nov 11, 12 at 16:55
| "...Aphids indoors are pretty much a given, so I will have to treat the plants eventually..." This all new to me, I've never overwintered chile plants inside before, never had aphids in the house before (that I know of, I can't ever remember them being a problem out in the garden before); how do you treat a chile plant for aphids indoors? |
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| Everybody has their preferred method of dealing with Aphids in doors. Mine is insecticidal soap. You can get it at home improvement stores / garden centers pretty much all year. |
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| FWIW, I've overwintered twice now and never had aphids. Maybe it's a regional issue ? |
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- Posted by greenman28 NorCal 7b/8a (My Page) on Mon, Nov 12, 12 at 11:03
| It's a multi-regional issue...and if you overwinter, you'll have aphids eventually, I believe. If not, count your lucky stars. While I do have insectical soap, such as the Safer brand, as well as Neem Oil and Murphy's Oil Soap
Josh |
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- Posted by kentishman 7 (king1823@gmail.com) on Mon, Nov 12, 12 at 13:08
| Safer soap has worked well for me. I have to check the plants about every day. Turn your back on them and the aphid population explodes. Tom |
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| The only way I know to get rid of aphids is to get a swarm of lady bugs. You can order them on line. But first you need to get rid of any affected plants and replant next spring. Seeds are cheap. John A |
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