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Thai Hybrid overwintering (pics)

Hey, folks!

I've finally gotten the wintering pics uploaded for this year's peppers. As you might recall, I focused my efforts on one Hungarian wax pepper (lower right side of picture) and two Thai peppers (center and left), seen below. The large tomato cage and the stakes were used to support a tarp for overnight cold protection.

The overwintering process for the Hungarian can be viewed here - Hungarian hot wax - second wintering (pics)

Anyhow, of the two Thai peppers, one plant was clearly a hybrid. The hybrid was an interesting, tall plant, with medium-sized, bluish-green leaves, and pubescent stems. It produced 140 pods that were slender and seedy and very hot - but they lacked some of the black-pepper flavor that I noticed in the more typical Thai pods on the plant growing beside it. This is what they looked like :

I liked the plant enough to try to keep it alive, so here is the process in pictures. Typically, I prune the entire plant a week or two before I dig it up. However, this pepper was a late-bloomer due to deer-damage in early July. So I waited until the very last minute to prune it and harvest the peppers.




I started by pruning the pepper down to about eight inches. Here are the initial trimmings:




Then I cleared the area for the dig:




Then I dug:




Then I lifted:




Admiring the nice rootball and a fat worm:




Shook the garden soil off the roots:




Trimmed the roots to fit in the container (sorry, no pic of the pepper in the container):


A few days later, like clockwork, new growth appeared at all the nodes:




And, as of yesterday, the pepper is fully re-leafing. You can see that I pruned a few more stems to keep the growth as compact and close to the trunk as possible:

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So there you go! I hope the images were helpful...or at least enjoyable!

Stay tuned for the final pics of the other Thai pepper.


Josh

Comments (22)

  • sambo725
    14 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Nice pictures! I live in the Florida panhandle, and I am debating if I want to pull mine out of the ground or not. This is my first year growing anything, and had some good success. Here in the panhandle it might freeze ten nights the entire winter, one or two nights might hit the low 20's.

    What type of soil did you use in your pot, and are you just keeping the plants in a sunny window??

    Sam

  • jesse_2008
    14 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Those are some nice pictures. Just one question, How far down did you prune the plant. I live in So.Cal. and I 've been wanting to prune mine down, just didn't quite know how far to prune it. Just a quesstimate I would say 1 foot from top of soil to the top of the plant. Again nice pics Greenman.
    Jesse

  • dancinglemons
    14 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Fantastic!! I pulled 4 plants for overwintering in late October. They have all fleshed out except the Ancho. I did Serrano last year and have that same plant on the second overwinter just to see how it goes. I will try to post pics on another thread soon - do not want to hijack your thread :-))

    DL

  • willardb3
    14 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    You can really prune the plant to a nub and it will come back.....it's really hard to kill a chile.

    This tepin was pruned to a nub and the second pic is the same plant later.

  • greenman28 NorCal 7b/8a
    Original Author
    14 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Thanks, folks!

    Jesse, I just measured again for you! ;) I pruned this pepper to exactly 8 inches tall. You can prune yours taller or shorter, but it requires more energy to maintain a taller plant. As Willard demonstrated, you only need a nub for fantastic, rejuvenated growth. Living in So California, your plant will explode with growth! Also, consider where you'd like your plant's trunk to begin branching...if you'd like a taller, central stem, then prune higher up. If you like a bushier presentation, prune lower. Then, of course, keep pruning until your plant has the aesthetic and/or structural features you desire.

    Dancinglemons, I can't wait to see the pics!
    I started growing peppers to see how long I could keep one alive. That was last year. I still have my Hungarian wax pepper, and my fingers are crossed.

    Sambo, you might want to put your peppers in pots just so that they don't get too wet. The temps shouldn't be a problem, as long as the plants are covered during those cold dips. My peppers are outdoors when the temps are above 50° - and indoors when the temps are below 50°. At the beginning and the end of the growing season (after planting and before digging up), I use old waterjugs to "greenhouse" my plants. Foreground, to the left: Hungarian. Foreground, center: Thai. Foreground, right: Thai hybrid shown above.
    {{gwi:2718}}

    The potting mix that I use is bark-based.
    Small pine/fir bark, sized 1/8 to 3/8 of an inch.
    Perlite for open drainage and to keep the weight down. Then I add Pumice for moisture retention and stability.
    Then I add sharp Quartz gravel (sized 1/8 to 1/4 inch) for open drainage and to balance the weight of the Perlite. I also add a bit of Osmocote 3-4 month fertilizer...since the potting mix has almost no nutrient value.

    My plants are located next to an eastern window, and I put them outside whenever the weather allows for it. It's 40°F out right now, so I haven't put my plants on the back deck yet today.

    Willard, thanks for posting those pics!
    Your pics were some of the first that convinced me to give overwintering a try.

    Josh

  • greenman28 NorCal 7b/8a
    Original Author
    14 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Hey, everyone!
    I hope your wintering projects are coming along nicely!
    I'm dealing with aphids....but, hey, what else is new. Here's my hybrid Thai. Despite the aphids, it's looking decent.

    {{gwi:4475}}

  • naturegirl_2007 5B SW Michigan
    14 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Greenman28, the plants are looking good. Hope you find good ways of dealing with the aphids. I had trouble with them last year and decided not to bring any peppers inside this year. The houseplants look kinda sad without the peppers mixed in among them this year. People suggested ladybugs as the best control to me. For the few plants I had, the minimum order seemed excessive and I tried to fight them other ways. I think the peppers got put into the shower more often than me last winter.....and yet the aphids just kept on building up again.

    They did pull through, though, and grew well outside once spring arrived. Guess the natural predators out there controlled the aphids.

  • greenman28 NorCal 7b/8a
    Original Author
    14 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Hey, Naturegirl! Thanks! I'll keep battling the bugs!
    Thankfully, I know of a local place where ladybugs bloom in the tens of thousands. I might have to appeal to them for help. I hiked to the land of the ladybugs on Saturday - to show a friend - and I took these pics:





    Josh

  • greenman28 NorCal 7b/8a
    Original Author
    13 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    The aphids never relented, but this vigorous pepper just keeps putting out growth...
    A few days ago, I happened to find a ladybug in the backyard, so I transferred it to my pepper plant.
    The next day, I discovered eggs...and the day after, hatchling larvae. This morning, the hatchlings are spreading throughout my plants and eating the aphids.

    What luck!

    {{gwi:4476}}

  • star_stuff
    13 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Fantastic thread! Those ladybug pictures are amazing! I've never seen so many!

  • greenman28 NorCal 7b/8a
    Original Author
    13 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Thank you!
    It's hard to convey the incredible number of ladybugs in that location!


    Josh

  • pkapeckopickldpepprz
    13 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Cool thread, I will be trying this over wintering process pruning back heavy as well as root trimming (which I have never tried before).

  • nitti610
    13 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Well first i'd like to say, "nice pics"! I was about to ask how to overwinter pepper plants and this thread popped up. Greenman28 , I have one question. What do I need to do once I have pruned and potted my plant? Once it's inside, wha kind of light will I need? What other specifics as far as caring for it overwinter? Your threads and comments have already helped me out a great deal. Any advice would be appreciated.

  • greenman28 NorCal 7b/8a
    Original Author
    13 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Hello, Nitti! Thank you!

    Once your peppers are indoors, you'll want to give them as much light as you can.
    I put mine close to an eastern window, and that's all the light that I provide.

    Water when the soil-mix becomes fairly dry, and fertilize at a reduced rate several
    times throughout the winter - at least once a month, I'd say.

    Josh

  • nitti610
    13 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Thank you again Josh! I'll be doing that within the next 45-60 days.

  • greenman28 NorCal 7b/8a
    Original Author
    13 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    My pleasure!

    I'll be pruning and re-potting my peppers in November, so feel free to ask any questions
    and to share your experience.

    Josh

  • greenman28 NorCal 7b/8a
    Original Author
    13 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Here's a pic of the hybrid Thai this morning.
    (Arbol to the back left, Hungarian to the right)

    Josh

  • robertbay
    13 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Reading this thread I am surprised that no grow lights necessary to overwinter peppers indoors. I suppose many chile peppers are fast growing and hardy and can get through a winter on a windowsill. My shishito peppers are slow growing and therefore I am leaning toward a grow light setup to keep them going this winter. I suppose worst case with the grow light is that I spend money I didn't have to spend...you guys have any advice for a newbie?

  • robertbay
    13 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Reading this thread I am surprised that no grow lights necessary to overwinter peppers indoors. I suppose many chile peppers are fast growing and hardy and can get through a winter on a windowsill. My shishito peppers are slow growing and therefore I am leaning toward a grow light setup to keep them going this winter. I suppose worst case with the grow light is that I spend money I didn't have to spend...you guys have any advice for a newbie?

  • greenman28 NorCal 7b/8a
    Original Author
    13 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    The more light you can provide, the better the growth will be.
    Don't let your plants get tall and skinny during the winter. Continue to selectively prune.
    Fertilize at reduced strength about once a month or so. Use a soil that is fast-draining so that
    you can water frequently and thoroughly without worrying about root-rot.

    I grow on a windowsill because I have good eastern-southern windows.
    And as soon as I can in the Spring, I begin setting my plants outside in partial shade.
    Over the course of two or three weeks, I introduce my plants to more and more sunlight
    and wind - this is the process of "hardening off" the leaves and stems.

    Josh

  • tsheets
    13 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    It doesn't take much to keep them alive. As long as you aren't trying to keep them setting fruit, it's really minimal.

  • greenman28 NorCal 7b/8a
    Original Author
    13 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Exactly!
    During the winter, I treat my peppers as foliage plants.

    For production of pods, you really need a lighting set-up.

    Josh

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