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Help Me Get Rid of the Blasted Spiders!

Posted by Indigo_Skye 7 (My Page) on
Mon, Jun 18, 12 at 17:08

In general I do not mind spiders, or any bug for that matter. But I am having a serious issue, and have for many years now, with spiders and their webs all over everything! My porch and all the furniture and plants, plants and trees around my house and yard and ESPECIALLY my garage where they seem to have developed The Spider Hilton!. At the beginning of spring I took everything off of the porch and scrubbed it down from ceiling to flooring. Also scrubbed all of the furniture and accessories on it. Next I sprayed all around the perimeter of the house, especially the porch where I like to sit and around the plants and flower beds around the house. But dangit, they are coming back and I can't take it anymore. I hate seeing the webs covering my beautiful laceleaf weeping japanese maple. And I the fact that anytime I try to weed my flowerbeds the webs have taken over not only the plants but also the dang mulch! Can anyone give me a WORKING remedy as to how to get rid of these pests once and for all?


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RE: Help Me Get Rid of the Blasted Spiders!

the link says: Pyrethrin is a highly effective insecticide used for centuries against all types of insect pests.

and mentions spiders ...

and now you will say.. that you forgot to mention.. no chems ... lol

ken

Here is a link that might be useful: link


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no, actually growing up in Florida where bugs are EVERYWHERE I learned early on that you either killed them with any means necessary or you suffered the consequences! Funny, I think I remember Pyrethrin from Florida with all the mosquito spraying that was done there on a regular basis. Although I think it was DDT that the "Bug Man" trucks sprayed when they drove through the neighborhood.

Since Pyrethrin comes from the pyrethrum daisy, I wonder if I planted those around my house if it would help to ward off the creepy crawly wee beasties?


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The abundance of spiders indicates an abundance of food for them, namely many other insects. Unfortunately, without chemical means you can't control the food source, scrubbing or not. Sounds like you're stuck with nature's best insect control (the spiders) unless you chemically inundate your yard and your surrounding area! Even that might not work depending on your particular locale since eventually the food source will return unless you wish to live in a chemically induced environment for life.
Personally, I welcome and appreciate spiders for the job they do. My own bane is the brown recluse, something to really worry about. I have (literally) 30 glue traps throughout the house in the darkest, most remote areas of my home that I have to change out about every five or six months. When I do, there are maybe 20-30 of them on each trap. Ain't been bitten yet...knock on wood.
But, having said that, spiders are nature's bug control. Learn to live with it - honest, they are really doing you a favor...
hortster


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hortster, I really don't mind spiders and like I said I grew up in Florida so we welcomed the common wolf spiders in the home because you knew that you wouldn't have a roach or palmetto bug problem. But the issue I have with these is that they are infesting EVERYTHING in site. My plants suffer from all of the thick nest they are creating and I can't even enjoy sitting on the porch because they are all over that as well.

We also have brown recluse and black widows in abundance here. I have found both of them in my garage and yard several times.


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Indigo, planting pyrethrem daisies will not act as a repellent.


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well darn. Nice thought though. May still plant some because they were quite pretty :)


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The presence of spiders can indicate there is plenty of prey for them. Keep in mind, however, that spiders are, for the most part, passive insect controllers, they weave a web in hopes of capturing some food. One major problem is that most of us were brought up believing the presence of spider webs indicate either someone that was not a good housekeeper or was a witch.
Around here we sweep away the webs every week, or more often as necessary, and otherwise do not get overly anxious about them. Inside we are more diligent.
Due to COPD, Asthma, Allergies, Emphysema, spraying any poison to try to control them is not an option. Spraying those poisons should not be considered by any one else either.


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Using a broom now and then disrupts them.

Repeat the effort as needed on the porch and you may be able to discourage them from that area. Can you screen your sitting area?

Spiders are attracted to light because that's where they can easily catch some lunch.

So what exterior lights do you have? On the porch? If so, change to a yellow bulb.

What about windows where the indoor light shines outdoors? That attracts them toward the house also.


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ok .. listen to me.. i will yell ... FORGET ABOUT YOUR PLANTS ... its natures way .. see link ... but nothing is wrong

you plant a garden to emulate nature.. and all of a sudden.. when nature takes hold of your garden.. you want to remove one layer of it.. the insects.. let them be ... out there ...

as to your porch.. etc ... find the right product.. and spray everything down ... deck.. walls.. eaves.. chairs.. etc ... and enjoy your little corner.. while mother nature takes care of the rest ...

and i do NOT know if the pyrethrum is safe to use that near to you.. i said.. the right product ... [and i am sure rhiz will object on some level.. due to her own situation]

and jean also touches on something i forgot.. most infestations .. of shy creatures.. involves you ... going out there once a week or two .. of course they will be there..

if you stake out your territory.. and go out there every day/night.. sooner or later.. being shy.. you will drive them from your territory ... just by being there.. some random sweeping.. repeated spraying with a hose in the morning.. etc ...

stake your claim ... to your area .. and let them have the rest ...

ken

Here is a link that might be useful: link


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Ken, I have never objected to the use of any kind of chemical pesticide because of my own 'situation', but because I honestly believe that there better, more efficient, and longer lasting methods. I even believe that many pesticides can be used safely...it's just that they seem to fall into the wrong hands too often.

Indigo, my garage and my storage shed are havens for spiders, too....especially black widows. I've discovered that occasional dustings with boric acid (you can find it sold as Roach Pruf) AND horticultural grade diatomaceous earth has helped keep them to a tolerable (?) population. Look for both of those products in almost any garden outlet. Don't use the pool filter diotomaceous earch.

I now store my empty plant containers and stacks of plastic flats and cell packs in sturdy plastic bags after discovering one year that widows had taken up residence between each and every pot and flat. I had the willies all summer long after that.

We also inspect and sweep the outside of the house and under the outdoor furniture frequently. I don't mind any of the other spiders at all....just the black widows.


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Well I don't think these spiders like the light all that much. Seriously. I'm in the middle of cleaning out my garage right now, which is used primarily for storage and lawn and garden stuff. the door isn't kept open, except just enough for the cats to crawl under to get to their food and water. And both the garage and porch lights are rarely on. The porch lights are on a sensor only when I'm off and don't expect to get back before dark. But when I say the spider webs are an issue I mean like as in a horror house at halloween! We have issues with brown recluse and black widows here, even saw one on the garage wall last night. But I can't sweep the entire garage and ALL of the contents every week. There is just too much stuff in here to do that not to mention it takes an entire day to empty and clean the garage.


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but because I honestly believe that there better, more efficient, and longer lasting methods. I even believe that many pesticides can be used safely...it's just that they seem to fall into the wrong hands too often.

==>>> thats what i meant ... not simply the physical situation .. but the metaphysical situation also .... i would go nuclear.. you would have other options ... neither better than the other ...

there are a multitude of options to get on top of this..

but making excuses.. and just complaining.. isnt going to get you very far ... you either want to do something.. or you dont ...

the gauntlet need be thrown down ...

ken


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Indigo_Skye, I feel confident that you have done all the right things to get rid of spiders - which are not insects.
Spider mites make webs.
Psocids (that last image?) also make a 'web'.
I'd look into the problem a bit more closely.


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Spider mites perhaps, and whatever else you said. But they were in the company of DOZENS of these beasts! This one and several more were about the size of a quarter.


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Then there was this rather interesting one, bigger than a nickle but not quite as big as the others. Must say that I've never seen one with colors and markings like this one


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Have you looked up Brown Widow spiders? Some experts say that they are more common than Black Widows, in the Southeast.


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I had trouble with garden spiders in the past. I am not a spider lover so when I found the big ones, my hubby would carry them across the street in a jar and put them in the corn field. I don't like using any kind of killer even if they say it is "safe" for fear it would hurt the bees. I ended up with praying mantises about three years ago and my spider issues was gone. I know these guys also eat butterflies and have been known to even grab a hummer but it is nature doing its thing. I had tons of butterflies last year so there must be plenty of things for the mantis. I keep the population down by carrying them to the neighbors wild flower field as well. I do enjoy the praying mantis so keep as many as I can around.

I am not sure where you can get them but I believe it is possible to order them on line.

Good luck because my alternative at your place would be to stay out of my yard. LOL

Margo


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Ha! I carry praying mantids away whenever I find them in my yard, lol. My husband had been known to take them to work with him where they have a few hundred acres to roam around on. They are not welcome in my yard.


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i know this sounds crazy but it you put walnuts around the perimeter of your deck or wherever you do not want bugs for some crazy reason(walnuts contain chemical toxic to spiders, so they’ll steer clear of them) it works you may have the odd spider but the majority of the insects will flee im not sure why but ive been doing this for years with my deck and it works, you can also put them on windowsills and goodbye household insects :D hope this helps! it sure did for me


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We don't have the issue so much with poisonous spiders here, but I used to live in the South, and can understand the issues with brown recluse and black widows. I was bitten years ago by a brown recluse and it made a believer out of me. I still have the crater on my butt where I sat on a blanket it was concealed in on a swimming outing. It had been stored in the trunk of a car in a garage on the farm. I also rented a house once and it was just infested with them. The landlord had a bunch of their furniture and belongings stored in an unused room in that house and they were evidently breeding there and crawling out every night to hunt. yuck. If you have exterior lighting you keep on every night, you may be encouraging a lot of insect around your porch that the spiders find suitable for their diet. That could help with the porch issue if you do not keep decorative or yard lights on unless you really need to use them. As for the garage or other storage areas..........well............do not keep a pile of 'stuff' stored there. What you do keep, keep in large plastic bins, sealed tight or like Rhizo does in sealed plastic bags and use caution accessing them.


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Indigo, even though the geometrical shapes on your spider are different from those on this spider in my photo, (brown widows have a wide array of shapes on their backs) I'm pretty sure the spider you couldn't identify is a Brown Widow. We have tons of them all over our backyard here in Burbank, CA. Southern California has been inundated with them over the past decade, I've read. They all have an orange or yellow hourglass on the belly side of their abdomen. I moved this one in my photo to an empty field near our house a while ago, before I realized there are tons of others in our yard, sitting in webs they've built in the leaves of our orange tree, fig tree, and lemon tree. This one's web was in a leaf of our lime tree which is young and has less leaves, so it was easier to spot the spider. Today, there are 3 more brown widows in that lime tree. And literally countless numbers of them in the older citrus trees. I can definitely identify with your frustration. :-( Haven't spotted any in the house or garage yet. I guess since the pickins are so good in the yard. Fingers crossed they'll stay in the trees. They definitely make picking the fruit from the trees an exciting challenge. But they seem very shy and although their venom is reportedly more potent than a black widow's, I've read that it doesn't seem to spread throughout much of a victim's body as a black widow's venom does. (We're taking solace in stuff like that, since we know they're here to stay) Sigh.


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If your finding the brown recluse the best way is to buy some of the cheap sticky traps you can a 4pack at walmart for a couple bucks( there labeled for mice and are black rectangular ) and put them were you can't see them exp. under dressers under the bed in a closest you will be surprised > I remodeled our 100 yr. old home and kept finding them when done I put out the traps ( which an Orkin employee told me about) I rarely see any now that was 7 yrs. ago but at first the traps were loaded 12 traps some had 10-15 on them after being set for 6 months


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Indigo_Skye, those last spiders are not black widows or brown widows. They belong to the genus 'Steatoda' - ('Steatoda grossa' to be exact)- false black widows. Black and brown widows belong to the genus 'Latrodectus'. False brown widows have greatly displaced our native black widows.

Their bites are medically significant, but minor, without any long-lasting effects. Definitely not as dangerous as a black or brown widow.

You could try trapping, but it is time-consuming. Food grade diatomaceous earth will work, and you can make a perimeter around your house with it. But you run the risk of also killing off other beneficial insects and it doesn't solve the issues of webs high and low (which a broom will take care of). Pyrethrins will also work, but I am wary of them, for the same reasons as you. Maybe a combo of diatomaceous earth, traps, and sweeping?

Here is a link that might be useful: False Black/Brown Widow


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marigolds are supposed to repel bugs.

i battle spiders..the past few years i have been vacuuming them up a lot in the spring , lots of house work!
and when i see eggs, screens, outside window sills back of the house type of thing.....try to get them before the eggs hatch .i made a dent on the population and we have less this year.


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