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When to remove a rubber band from grafted plants

Howdy!

I got an awesome grafted 4222 plumeria from Florida Colors back on 10/17/12. It's been growing under a CFL since I received it and is putting out new leaves so I'm assuming the graft took? It had recently been grafted and still has the rubber band on the graft union (that's how I received it). I'm thinking I should remove it soon however being a newbie I'd like some expert opinions if possible. :)

I've snapped some pics and would love some advice!
One side the graft union looks deep, the other side looks fine.

Thank you,
Robert

Comments (13)

  • mksmth zone 7a Tulsa Oklahoma
    11 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Hey Robert. That gap in the graft concerns me. I have no experience with a grafted one but does not lokk right to me. You call carol and ask her.

    Mike

  • Loveplants2 8b Virginia Beach, Virginia
    11 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Hi Robert!!!

    I would agree with Mike and call Carol and send her a pic of this graft. The tree looks healthy, but the graft doesn't look like it has (Healed) sealed properly. The tree iself looks healthy and im sure it has healed enough for the tree to continue to do well, but i would be concerned about the space left. She may even mention to seal it and give you the proper sealant to use. My concern would be protecting the opening.

    I am no expert, but i would leave the band on and call Carol. She will give you the best advice.

    Like i mentioned, the tree loooks great!! I think the graft healed in a different way and it just needs a little more protection. It would make you ( us) feel better. (The tree seems fine with it!!) ;-)

    Take care,

    Laura

  • Robert (zone 7a, Oklahoma)
    Original Author
    11 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Thanks, guys!

    I'll send Carol an email with the pics and see what she recommends. :)

    -Robert

  • citizen_insane
    11 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    By the way Robert, do not worry about the graft line. Inside is healed and growing. It is OK if it gets wet, it will not rot. It will not dry up either because the callus at the graft line has bark on the outside.

    George

  • rox146
    11 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    wow! outstanding explanation of grafting and great photos as well...cannot wait to try my 1st one...roxanne

  • Robert (zone 7a, Oklahoma)
    Original Author
    11 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Wow indeed!
    Thank you so much for all the detailed explanations and pictures, George!
    I'll do as you advised and add some cable ties to the graft.

    Thanks again for taking the time to share your knowledge!

    -Robert

  • mksmth zone 7a Tulsa Oklahoma
    11 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Thanks George

    I think that will give a lot of us more confidence in buying grafted plants.

    Mike

  • MrFrangi
    11 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    George, would you be able to share your new grafting technique with us? Judging by the picture you are not using cable ties anymore?!
    Looks great.

  • wally_1936
    11 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I have a question, why do people like to graft plumeria, is there a special reason?

    For me the cut tops do not do so great but do put out sprouts which so far I have been able to remove for new plants either to share or to start a new plant without any problems.

  • citizen_insane
    11 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    MrFrangi,
    I am still developing and evaluating the new technique including long term effects in comparison to the standard method. When I am done I am going to publish it in the PSA newsletter. The key is to cause the scion and rootstock to fuse at the cambium line before a callus develops in the center and pushes the two appart. Here is a graft that was broken off accidently (I hit it with the ladder's end). Note that the graft did not open up. It broke below the graft and there is a piece of the rootstock attached to it The graft line is the faint brownish line that runs from the bottom brown spot to the top at 30 degrees. Note that there is no callus between the scion and rootstock but the two are fused together! This type of graft makes a hairline graft scar and by far the strogest bond in the shortest time. I do not use cable ties with this technique.

    Wally, grafting is a great technique that can be used in many instances. Some varieties are impossible to root, like Bill Moragne (only available grafted). A lot of varieties (a lot of the reds, Katie Moragne, Hilo Beauty. Pink Wave Rage, etc.) are very difficult to root and it is best to graft them. I do not graft all my trees, just the difficult ones. Most people are scared of grafts because they appear weak. There is nothing farther from the truth. Grafts, when fully healed, are the srongest pieces on the whole plant. A lot of people object to the graft scar as not aestetically nice. You can burry the graft union below the soil with no problems.

    Another use of grafting is called 'downgrafting'. Plumerias grow leggy and tall and do not look vey good in pots. They also get blown down by wind easily. There are two ways to make more compact plants: a) root a multi-tip cutting from the top of a tree, and b) use 'downgrafting' to make a compact plant. The picture below shows a multi-tip top cutting. You can use iron fence post to pull the branches to train them to make a nice canopy.

    However, most people do not have access to large multi-tip cuttings (very expensive and expensive to ship). So you start with normal multi-tip cuttings, like in the next two pictures. The problem is they grow leggy by the time they first bloom and split or the branches are bent from the mother tree.

    You can reshape these plants by downgrafting. It is a technique where you remove a middle section of the branch and graft the tip back on. You can also use tips from other plants. This also allows you to orient the tips to get a nice shape plant. Here is a plant whose two out of the three branches were downgrafted. It makes a more compact plant with a nice shape.

    Here is another plant where all three branches where downgrafted.

    Another use of grafting is to make rainbow plants. You can graft multiple varieties on a single plant. You can pick the varieties so they all bloom together and you have many different colors on the same plant. You can also pick the varieties so they bloom at different times, in which case the plant becomes everblooming and blooms all year. No more plumerias that just have leafs most of the time. Here is an ever blooming plant with multiple tips of four different varieties.

    As you can see you can use grafting to do some neat things. It is a great technique.

    Regards,
    George

  • murphy9999
    8 years ago

    Dear George: I have a Atzec Gold with multiple branch and would like to graft 2 or
    3 different plants. Can you give me a lesson on this? I read in the internet various ways
    of doing this but would like a simple one with good results.


  • Nicholas Moen
    8 years ago

    Hi George,

    As always, great information. I was just wondering if you published an article on the new grafting technique that you discuss above?

    Regards