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What are the rarest Plumeria?

Posted by happyvegan 10B (My Page) on
Mon, Jun 17, 13 at 2:06

I am new to Plumerias. I have been around them all my life in south Florida, but never grew one myself. So I started doing some research about them. Yet, nowhere could I find a place that explained why some Plumeria were considered rare and others were not. Is it the color combinations? Is it that they are not hybrids? I was checking out Ebay for Plumeria seeds and cuttings. I saw lots that said they were rare, but were not commanding a high price or getting loads of bids. Some gorgeous ones in Thailand, swoon! So, I come to the place I know there is true knowledge of Plumeria, for answers, "The GardenWeb!" :-)

I appreciate any information you can give me along with some tips of starting from seeds. (I love seeds)

Cheers!!


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Basically its supply and demand. Usually the RARE Plumies are new intro's, usually a seedling with one source like JL or JJ's, etc.
When you raise plumies from seeds each plant can be like an original master piece/painting, even if they came from the same parents/seed pod, the reason a lot of people raise only seedlings.

Eventually even the rarest plumie becomes common. Back in the early 2000's Ammarons Curly White and Sariah's curly pink were super rare and pricy as they were seedlings that were grown/owned by Rick Stone in Tx. Back then you could pay 500.00 or 600.00 for a large cutting if you were lucky to even get one. Bonnie Fox back in 2005, was another rare plumie that was very pricey usually selling for 300.00 to 500.00. Onestopaloha aka Matt sells them under Volcano Goddes or Bonnie Fox and again usually for about 29.00. This is why a lot of plumie seedling owners like JL limit their releases every year to keep the supply low and demand high and prices up. Now you can buy grafted ACW plants for high 20's, JL Golden Pagoda for under 100.00, etc, etc.

Bud Guillot once stated "if your going to sell plumeria you need to sell them for what they are worth, when you start lowering the prices too much then you might as well give them away." . Bud told this to one of his friends who he usually gave a lot of cuttings every year so she could sell them at the Southern California Plumiera cutting sale in San Diego to make some extra cash.

JL at the moment still has some very pricy, rare plumies like Tropical Lightening. Now a days growers seem to crank out as many cuttings plants as they can if something is rare, I guess to make their money while they can.

This post was edited by freak4plumeria on Mon, Jun 17, 13 at 16:15


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Prices are driven by supply, demand, hype, advertising and what people are willing to pay for them.

There are many wonderful older varieties out there that are less expensive.

Keep in mind that anyone can hype their plant as being 'Rare', when in fact it may not be. In other words, don't believe everything you read on the internet. LOL! I've never understood why some vendors list EACH of their plumeria varieties as being 'rare'. Can't people see thru that?

EBay can be a very frustrating way to buy plumeria (by bidding). EBay also employs ways to get the bidding higher, by emailing you notifications when someone has bid, etc., etc. And most bidding occurs at the last minute of the auction. For a truly rare plumeria in demand, there's always someone who is willing to get caught up in the hype and pay more than you. What's frustrating is they may end up giving it away or selling for cheap once they find they have too many plants!

Also, keep in mind that all you really have to do is name a seedling (which is a unique plumeria) and it is instantly 'RARE', because genetically, no one else has it. It doesn't mean it's a really good plant or flower though.

Varieties from Thailand are usually cheaper, but shipping is more expensive. Also, they take a long time to arrive here and some of the sellers may not be reputable. Buyer beware on EBay -- or anywhere really.

Do your research, check out domestic vendors. Decide what you want in a plumeria -- compact growth? fragrance? Color? Flower size? Look thru old threads on this Forum and see what varieties people consider good ones. Look at many photos.

In South Florida, get to know other plumeria growers. Likely you can get some great cuttings cheap or for free or for trade. Visit botanical gardens and take note of the varieties you really like (and can't live without -- LOL!).

So these are some rather random thoughts.

But most of all, have fun and enjoy the hobby!

This post was edited by dave_in_nova on Mon, Jun 17, 13 at 11:04


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eBay is tricky because a lot of the photos are photoshopped... I love royal purple and being new to plumerias, was excited to see royal purple seeds and cuttings offered by Thai sellers... But some research verified that these might be scams...
I do love to buy and sell but very carefully on eBay... I will recommend bloomingplumerias as they take a photo of every plant and that's what you get.... One-stop-aloha also I got exactly what was pictured. Both sellers quickly answered questions I had, and shipped quickly and well packaged. They both offer common and rarer varieties, and the prices don't seem too bad.


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I think since Red Plumeria are so hard to root, they are the rarest of the plumeria. Wildfire is just beautiful, but impossible to find here in Texas. Siam Ruby you can find, but it take 4 years for it give its beautiful blooms, so its slower than the others, but worth the wait. Mr Ambassador, not even Emerson has one to sell. I did finally find one, and the check was sent out today, I am not taking any chances. . . Barbra


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I think the rarest plumeria would be one that someone on this forum doesn't have. :)

IMO if you were to look at the reputable sellers with new registered varieties to their name and sort by highest priced that would give you a basic picture as to the rare ones. It may be overly simple but should be fairly accurate.


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The rarest ones are the ones not offered for sale anywhere!

These are, as stated above, the unique seedlings that hobbyists have grown that may not be big enough to cut yet. I had one myself until very recently ;-)

And like Barbra says, the ones that are the most difficult to root and grow to a pruning size, like some reds, are usually a bit more rare.


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  • Posted by mksmth oklahoma 7a (My Page) on
    Mon, Jun 17, 13 at 17:31

This is the rarest one as of today. Its name is Lillian Grace. it is priceless. Look at how much red/purple is in those leaves. The flower is going to be a show stopper.

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All my friends here will get a cutting for free.....one day. LOL

Mike


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Mike keep us informed. I love the leaves of my Hillo beauty, because they are so different. Barbra


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  • Posted by No-Clue So Cal Zone 10 (My Page) on
    Mon, Jun 17, 13 at 18:56

Rarest for me is what I can't get. Lol.


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Two of our largest and most trusted vendors uses the term "rare" quite often. And not only do you have to think about that when buying plumies, but also that you aren't buying multiplies that carry more than one name. And I"m sure to choke over this, but, also that very different cultivars will carry the same name. Such as Raspberry Sundae and Thai Raspberry Sundae. *coughcoughgag*

My own dang fault! :)

Adding a little sidenote to Freak..... hope you got my email after that first rejection notice. Thanks for the Bonnie Fox. I love her! :)

This post was edited by moonie_57 on Mon, Jun 17, 13 at 20:21


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WOW! Thank you everyone for such a plethora of information! I now have a much better sense of what is rare and what isn't. I guess its just like anything, if you slap rare on it people will pay more. Well, I am not falling for that. :-) I have to admit the red plumeria's are my favorite. I saw some a few years ago that made me stop my car in front of these people's home and just drool over them. It was so bright and beautiful. I just wished I could remember where on earth I was that day, I'd go back and ask for a cutting! lol I haven't seen anymore since that day. Are those colors hard to come by? I want them badly.

Again, thank you everyone. This information is extremely helpful. :-)

This post was edited by happyvegan on Tue, Jun 18, 13 at 1:08


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Hi,

I have never seen blue plumerias unless they were photoshopped. Maybe purple like Laura's Metallica, but never blue. So sure it's rare because it doesn't exist. LOL


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I know I wrote blue, while thinking red LOL. (its been an extremely long day) The tree I saw was short and compact with super bright red flowers. Never seen anything like it before.

I do wish there were blue plumeria, but I know they do not exist except on Photoshop :-)

I haven't seen Laura's Metallica.


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I found this one on Ebay and just love the color. Anyone know what it is? They are calling it Kauanani plumeria. Yea, I know its a Thai seller, but so pretty.


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Happyvegan,
That looks like one of Barry Ng's pics from Singapore who sells on Ebay, I use to buy a ton of plumies from him back in 2001, so familiar with his pics with measurement graphics. Barry currently only sells seeds as there were issues in the past.
There is a Hawaiian Kaleinani and a Kaulanani (Tropic Nat. name), have also heard some say that University Hawaii Orange is the same plant. I have both and they seem similar in all ways, so go figure.. Here is a pic of her:

It is pretty common, I have a huge tree of her, it is a leggy grower.

Jandey I sent you a message regarding where to send your Aurora cutting, never heard back??

Moonie,
I just read your email regarding Bonnie, glad she made it safely....enjoy..

Cheers

Here is a link that might be useful: Lopaka's Kaleinani aka Kaulanani pic

This post was edited by freak4plumeria on Tue, Jun 18, 13 at 3:01


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OMG! James, I sent you a couple of messages but didn't know if you got them since you were traveling and I didn't hear back. LOL, crossed wires! Thank you for thinking of me!

I'll send you a message through here right now. Let me know if you get it, or if it's the wrong address you can message me using jandey at sbcglobal dot net.

This post was edited by jandey on Tue, Jun 18, 13 at 22:57


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Yep it is Barry on Ebay. I just love that coloring. Your photo didn't post. Funny how he is calling it a rare limited variety lol


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Okay, I still can't tell if my messages are getting through. Lots of people seem to be having trouble on the message system here.

Freak, Bill will forward you my email addy.


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  • Posted by irun5k St. Pete, FL (My Page) on
    Wed, Jun 19, 13 at 10:22

I have learned that "rare" isn't always as desirable as it might seem. Sometimes things are literally just scarce... e.g. a new hybrid that has yet to produce many viable cuttings. Fair enough... but other times it might be natural selection playing a role.

If you see something growing all over your neighborhood, there might be a good reason for it. It is likely easy to grow and relatively happy with the local conditions. For example, there is more than anecdotal evidence that some cultivars handle non-tropical conditions better than others.

I like to find that magic line... things that are less common yet still fairly hardy. I'm not sure I'm having much luck though :)


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right now it appears Wildfire is the rarest since Barbara can`t find us any!
Tally HO!


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1stopaloha aka Matt has Wildfire, so does Blooming plumeria aka Fuzzy. Matt has Wildfire on his Ebay store for sell, or contact Fuzzy and ask him if he has any ready to sell now.
Upland Nursery has Wildfire also, so call or check out their website...

Good Luck.


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  • Posted by No-Clue So Cal Zone 10 (My Page) on
    Wed, Jun 19, 13 at 15:00

Hey I saw a listing on EvilBay. Is that the same??


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Lynn,
It was probably Matts listing for Wildfire. But for people in So Cal there are many sources to get WF locally, including Bud if you know him.


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  • Posted by No-Clue So Cal Zone 10 (My Page) on
    Wed, Jun 19, 13 at 15:16

James... did you have your get together? I emailed you but not sure if you got them.

Who is Bud? Do you think Bud will sell me one? But only ROOTED though. I would love to see it bloom this summer!

Did you see Nebel's Rainbow finally rooted for me? I'm one proud mama!


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  • Posted by No-Clue So Cal Zone 10 (My Page) on
    Wed, Jun 19, 13 at 16:04

Nevermind... I figured out who Bud is! LOL.


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Lynn,

I've been having issue with my plumie email on AOL, a lot of e mails are being rejected for what ever reason. As for the get together, no as I never heard back from Gabby, so holding off as I have some issues with my leg and shoulder which makes it difficult to drive (usually have to have a car service or my assistant drive me lately.). So will have a get together later on, maybe @ JJ's with John.

As for Wildfire, Bud usually has cuttings so if you want rooted you would have to go to the So Cal Plumie plant sale in SD or Upland Nursery in OC, or contact Cheryl Oshiro as she usually has rooted plants for sale along with UHO. I have a huge WF tree but have never cut from her, WF can also be difficult to root. Congrats on the Nebels looked great...


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  • Posted by No-Clue So Cal Zone 10 (My Page) on
    Wed, Jun 19, 13 at 17:55

Oh ok... we should meet up at JJ's in July then!

As for WF I do not want to try rooting anything so thank you but no thank you. I managed to root the one and I'm ok with that. LOL.

I am thinking the WF I got from someone in Oceanside is not truly WF! I'll tell you more later when I see you. Hope you feel better soon!


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Lynn, I was gonna say, Bud is the beloved of the namesake of your Viola G.

James, that explains why none of my messages goes through to you. And I so want to get a message through to you, LOL!

For everyone who wants Wildfire, I'll have some cuttings in, say, six or seven years at the rate mine is growing :-) BUT, I've had no problems with it other than the slow growth so I consider myself very lucky.


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Hi!!

Here are a few pics of my JL Metallica!!

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I know this isn't really rare, but it was one of the cuttings that I held my breath while I rooted this baby!!! Still won't tell hubby what I paid for it.. Glad he didn't ask!! ;-)

Jen is correct. Viola G. Is named for Bud's beautiful wife, Vi!!!

That is why this one is rare, not to many available... I'm hoping mine continues to do well. I have been watching this one since last year!!!

Thanks again for your help, Lynn !!

Take care,

Laura

This post was edited by loveplants2 on Thu, Jun 20, 13 at 23:23


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Lovely Laura!


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  • Posted by No-Clue So Cal Zone 10 (My Page) on
    Thu, Jun 20, 13 at 23:32

Rare or not Metallica still makes my heart skip a beat. And only my DH can do that to me. I love that man.

Oh where was I? Oh right Metallica, yes she is beyond beautiful! How is she doing this year? Mine is finally pushing out some leaves so I think we made it through our first winter together!

Glad to hear your Viola G is hanging in there. Mine just woke up as well. Wish they will bloom soon. But both are precious to me. Thank you for sharing the photos Laura.


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Laura,
Gorgeous!!! Was that this yrs or last yrs pics? As for Metallica, she is still rare as you can not readily buy her from most places, JL and a few cuttings/plants being sold by individuals who bought her early on. Metallica is truly one of the most beautiful of the purples in my opinion, coming in 2nd on my list based on colors, size, scent etc., Violet Queen is my 3rd fav purple, but the most RARE and BEAUTIFUL is Kukiats Tropical Aurora

Kukiats Tropical Aurora 2 photo KukiatsTropicalAuora2_zpsdc67c204.jpg
Kukiats Tropical Aurora 3 photo KukiatsTropicalAuora2_zpsc715a49a.jpg

My Fav purple and ultra rare as Kukiat may have gifted a few close intimate plumie friends with a cutting or plant but will not sell any. I contacted Kukiat and basically told him to name any price he wanted for Tropical Aurora and Id pay it and he said no, that maybe eventually he would consider selling some later on but not now. So sad... :( But I give Kukiat major Kudos for integrity !!!

Oh and Kukiats Marble Ice Cream is another stunner and not available.:
Kukiats Marble Icecream 2 photo KukiatsMarbleIcecream_zps5d32430e.jpg
Thanks for the show Laura :)

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James.. STUNNING!!!!

Thank YOU for the show.. OMG Im am in heaven!!

I thought JL Metallica was somewhat rare, but wasn't sure..even with the price tag that it was. I knw i went to you for advise before i made that leap... HUGE SIGH...

That was last years pics of JL Metallica. SHe is doing great and im hoping for blooms, but im sure it won't be this year. Talk about being sad..

I am loving The Marble Ice Cream.. Beautiful and Aurora is stunning too!

Thanks for the beautiful pics.. lol.. you thanked me for the show? YOUR show is one to remember.. ;-) Always pleasing to the eye!!! Please send more pics. I love your collection and im sure other wwould love to see what your grow. Simple Beautiful!!!

Thanks Rox.. i love my Metallica!!!

Hi Lynn!!

I love it when my heart can skip a beat!! ;-)

These trees do a great job at that!! LOL.. Love to see aall of this beauty!!! Im hope the Viola G will continue to grow.. we shall see!!! Fingers crossed!!

Hope you and your family are having a wonderful summer!!!

Take care,

Laura


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Laura,
Your Metallica may bloom again depending on your tip length, so wait and see, maybe by Aug.
Those are Kukiats pics not mine, I am showing as examples of ultra rare plumies, his Fantasia is available for sale (I do have that one.).


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  • Posted by No-Clue So Cal Zone 10 (My Page) on
    Fri, Jun 21, 13 at 12:39

James are you kidding me? I would give up my whole collection just for Aurora and Marble Ice Cream. Well ok maybe not my whole collection but close. Lol.

I don't know I just have a thing for purple and plumerias with veins so i find these irresistible especially when you can't get them. So no one except Kukiat has these and he won't sell? What a bummer.

Keep checking with him and let us know if he is willing to sell one day. Thank you for sharing that! They are too gorgeous for words.

Laura your Metallica is stunning too. No wonder I am an addict!


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I only know one person with a Metallica that I have seen, it is truly amazing in full bloom. Eventually it will be available for a reasonable price and I will have one.

Those are too gorgeous!
Tally Ho!


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Lynn,

No there are a few of Kukiats close friends who have some of these like Lopaka, Brad, and a few others. But as for random plumie collectors they would not have them. These are Kukiats seedlings, so he is the original and only source for now.

If you like Marble Icecream then you will love Fantasia, Doug Jones has a few of them but may not sell any right now and Brads buds and blooms has them also.

Fantasia plumeria


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Thanks freak4plumeria..You just cost me $100...Resistance is futile.


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Derft1,

HAHAHAHA I guess you bought one from Brad based on the price.. Well at least the price went down this year. The first couple of Fantasia's were sold on Ebay in 2012 by Brad and went up to 180 to 200. Kukiat also personally grafted all the plants and his graft job was impeccable, the match with the seedling root stock was perfect. Mine took off right away when planted. Congrats!!!


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  • Posted by k2fl okc 7 (My Page) on
    Fri, Jun 21, 13 at 14:30

I almost bought rooted Fantasia last year but I didn't like how the petals look in his picture so I passed. When Lopaka posted his blooming Fantasia, I was kicking myself for not getting it. Goes to show a bloom shape can vary as well.

I don't feel so sad overall because I managed to get Kukiat's Fireblast and it's doing really well. :)

I guess I should answer the question from the OP while I'm here. I think the rarest plumerias are the ones only a few have and they're highly coveted by many...but after a while as more and more get their hands on these, they become less rare LOL.

Kenny


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  • Posted by No-Clue So Cal Zone 10 (My Page) on
    Fri, Jun 21, 13 at 17:26

Oh my!! That's gorgeous!! My DH is going to kill you James for tempting me. Haha. Did you buy one James??

derft1 - you bought one already? Grafted or rooted? Please post pics of your new baby when you get it! :)


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No-Clue...Yes I did from BBB. It is grafted so I hesitated for a minute. Never bought a grafted tree before as I am a little worried about the graft. We shall see.

I have been wanting a marbled or splash for awhile so i took the plunge.

Still want to find a Marble Queen. Found one on Jacksonville, FL craigslist for $25. If anyone wants to buy it, I will buy a cutting for the price of the plant.


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Lynn,
Yes I did buy one and it is grafted. I have only seen one other plumie (Black Velvet from Singapore originally from Lyndie Whye) grafted with such precision that I got as a gift from Jean Capini and it was impeccably grafted, just like Fantasia that was grafted from Dr Kukiat.
Personally I do not like grafted plants visually but Jeans and Dr Kukiats grafts are perfection and will disappear in couple of seasons.

Derft dont worry about the graft the plant will be beautiful and it should do well for you....again congrats on the Fantasia.


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  • Posted by No-Clue So Cal Zone 10 (My Page) on
    Fri, Jun 21, 13 at 22:49

Ok James, you twisted my arm. I ordered it. I'm just going to blame you if DH finds out. I going to say you made me do it!


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Lynn,
I think you should tell your hubby that Sonia made you do it, LOL.
PS... I called the guy who takes care of my plumies I told you about and asked him to go and check on your Hilo Beauty as he lives down the street. I was told by him that it looks rooted and actually is now multi tipped because of the inflo and is over 3ft long. Ill try to get down there and Ill pull it out of the pot and repot it on its own or put it in a bag to help accelerate root growth.

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OMG!! That Metallica is drop dead gorgeous....but the Kukiats Tropical Aurora about made me pass out! WOWO WOWOWO WOWOWOWOWOOW!

I saw on another forum that a cutting from it was $1300! Yikes.

That Fantasia is incredible!!! I am a True Blood fan so I immediately called it Fangtasia! Going to pick me up some of that. Off to Buds.


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Happyvegan,

Hmmmm I wonder if someone Kukiat gave a plant to sold a cutting of it, or if it was stolen from him in Thailand or bogus?? Do you remember where the cutting for 1300.00 was being sold, I want it if its still available????
Tropical Aurora looks like it could be a seedling from Musk rainbow because of the colors like the brown/orange/yellow and purples and the shape...

Let me know thanks

Cheers


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  • Posted by No-Clue So Cal Zone 10 (My Page) on
    Sat, Jun 22, 13 at 19:03

James,

Yeah about my Hilo Beauty! You are so sweet! I feel so much better.

Good luck James I hope you get that Aurora Tropical. At that price I am out. I would have to sell one of my kids just to get it. Lol.


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  • Posted by k2fl okc 7 (My Page) on
    Sun, Jun 23, 13 at 12:52

Lynn,

Please post a picture of your Fantasia. I'd like to see how BBB's grafted plant looks.

hi James

I asked Kukiat earlier about Tropical Aurora, he said it hasn't been released to the US and he's not planning on releasing it any time soon. Also he hasn't gifted anyone a cutting of Tropical Aurora. Lopaka has his Fantasia and Marble Ice Cream and that's it. Hope you don't get caught in someone's scam trying to sell you a fake cutting.

Kenny


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Freak4plumeria I got that information on the following link

http://allthingsplants.com/thread/view/16185/Most-expensive-plumeria-cutting-and-most-beautiful-plumeria-flower/

But according to Kenny, it sounds like it was a scam. Thank you for that information. I hope no one actually purchased it.


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Oh and for some serious eye-candy. Check out Dr. Kukiat's Flickr page.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/kukiat/


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Happyvegan,

Thanks for the info!! After my emails with Kukiat I thought it weird that he would be selling any as he was firm about not releasing any now.

Are you in OC?? Did you ever meet Veganbabe (MPG)name, think her real name was Barbara but cant remember now as its been forever? She made the most delicious, gorgeous Vegan Cupcakes, so sad she moved to Yakima Wa with her plumies..


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(I suspect the plumeria that moved to Yakima are even sadder)........


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I am actually in southwest Florida near Fort Myers. I have a soft spot for vegan cupcakes! I have to stay far away from them....nom nom nom..:-)

Washington is a great place for vegans. Lots of vegan restaurants and shopping. As there are becomming more vegans everyday it isn't hard to find vegan bakeries just about anywhere. Especially in the OC. There is a place called Lucious Organic Deserts that will make you cry it is so dang good and of course cruelty free!

http://lusciousorganicdesserts.com

I had some when I was there a while back.

Is there a way to get on Dr. Kukiat's email list to know when he will be selling anything? I will take anything he is offering. Nothing but good stuff on his Flickr page.


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Happyvegan,
I think I have had their cupcakes before and they were delish.
When I would have a plumie get together Veganbabe would bring over like 2 doz of different ones, she baked for this vegan restaurant/bakery, so they were FREEEEEEEEE :)
It's like what Wendy Williams says "If its FREE, it's for me!!!"...LOL Just kidding, Id usually provide all the food.

As for Kukiat, he has a deal/agreement with Brad in Fl, of Brads Buds and Blooms, he is the sole and exclusive rep for Dr K in the US. Unless your a personal close friend of his Kukiat will not sell you anything, but he will refer you to Brad.
The few really, really close Plumie friends that Dr KT keeps are usually gifted with his rare plumies, before their ever released. Example would be Marble Ice cream, Lopaka in Florida has had it for at least 2 or 3 season, I would not be surprised if he had Tropical Aurora also and Lopaka does not need the cash so he will not be tempted by monetary offers (I offered to buy his JL Tropical Lightening or a cutting from him and no success.
Kukiat does have a FB page and his own website. But I do not believe there is any amount of jolly or money that will sway him....


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Lynn, this is neither a rare or new or officially purple variety, but I read where you talked about liking purple flowers with veining while I was looking out the window at my Grove Farm, an old classic. Here is Simi, it's a purple and pink, with lots of crimson veining and a little yellow and orange in the center. It's incredibly beautiful, and I love the scent. One of my favorites.

Doesn't look like my "Blue Hawaii" from eBay has an inflo yet, so that I can confirm what everyone else has told me (after I bought it, of course) - that the pic in eBay was a Celadine PhotoShopped blue! Oh, well - win some, lose some!


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Lynn,
I think I may have given you a GF cutting last season,or is on the RIP list..lol. If not you can have one when I see you...


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  • Posted by No-Clue So Cal Zone 10 (My Page) on
    Mon, Jun 24, 13 at 13:16

George,

Grove Farm sounds lovely!! Can you post pics of yours?

James, I don't have GF. How do you like your GF?


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Lynn, will post a pic as soon as I can (probably tomorrow). Thanks for asking.


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I was so much more impressed with Grove Farm in person than in photos. It is very large and smells lovely, definitely one to consider! The only reason I didn't pick one up at the sale is because I have so many pinks already.

It probably does fade to a lovely lavender color, too.


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Lynn, there is only one open flower on the inflo right now, and it's a little old, so let me wait for another to open. Jandey, you're right, it's even more attractive in person - there's something about it when everything comes together, it's a wonderful flower.


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I found a pic of my Grove Farm from a few days ago


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Mine Grove Farm blooms are about 3", not too small.


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  • Posted by No-Clue So Cal Zone 10 (My Page) on
    Tue, Jun 25, 13 at 17:17

Simply amazing!! Thank you so much for posting that! I love and now I want.


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Hi Everyone--as most of you know I do lurk on the forums though I don't have much time these days to post veryoften. However, after reading much speculation about Kukiat's varieties, the assumption that he only provides cuttings of rare things to his closest friends is true. He knows he can trust them not to propagate and sell them later on, but instead, they keep them for their personal enjoyment. Tropical Aurora will likely not be released any time soon. This is one that is nearest and dearest to his heart- like a few others everyone enjoys seeing on his Flicker and his personal website. However, Marble Ice Cream was released to me this year to sell for him in the USA. Unfortunately, the small number of cuttings I got all rotted except for one, which I posted on Ebay this morning. I also recently received an additional small number of pre-calloused ones I hope will successfully root this time, to be able to have available by August. Anyway, Scarlet Night, Carmine Glow, and Edelstein have also been released too, but are first appearing on Ebay before being listed on my website. Each year, Kukiat decides which plumerias he wants to release to me for resale and which he does not. It is always a mystery to me until he gives me the final list. I have learned that while he graciously listens to my hopeful suggestions, he ultimately makes the decisions about releases. Either way, it is always proven to be top-knotch stuff. He has a lot of really cool stuff the pictures and names of which probably haven't even made into any websites just yet. Interesting as well is that any money he makes through our partnership is used to offset the costs of maintaining his grove and farm rather than for anything else. At heart, this wonderful, generous, and sweet-natured gentleman loves plumerias and all things plants, and, is one of the most knowledeable Plumerians I have ever met. Anyway, I hope this answers some questions anyone might have. If you have further questions I can help you with, feel free to email me through my site, which I think most of you are familliar with. I cannot guarantee I will be on here again very soon to answer replies posted here. Anyway.........
Happy Growing everyone!
Brad


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Brad,
Thanks for the info and letting us know about the auctions!!!


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  • Posted by No-Clue So Cal Zone 10 (My Page) on
    Wed, Jun 26, 13 at 20:00

Thank you Brad!

I'm wondering which lucky soul will ended up w/ MIC. It already over my budget with days left to go. :(

Good luck if you're bidding.


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Lynn,
Your too funny...you know whose bidding ;P


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  • Posted by No-Clue So Cal Zone 10 (My Page) on
    Wed, Jun 26, 13 at 21:15

Well I do now!! LOL


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THANK YOU BRAD!!

Now I have to decide which one I want in the Ebay auctions! This would be my first plumeria! I guess any of them would be an excellent start :-)

I do have seeds coming from Maui Plumeria Gardens that I just purchased....I ordered the mixed pack. I like the gamble of the unknown. Has anyone else ever ordered this from them?


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Thanks for taking the time to post, Brad!

I have a question: Are you talking about a "Scarlet Night" by Kukiat, or Barbara Randolph's "Scarlet Knight"?


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That would be Kukiat's Scarlet Night. He developed this plumeria a few years ago. It seems Barbara named and registered hers under a similar sounding name, probably because she didn't know about Kukiat's. Unfortunately, this is but one example of how names in the plumeria world can get mixed up. There's so many new plumerias out there now I often wonder if we will completely run out of nice sounding names for them in just a few years. LOL


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I think they may have to start using a name generator.

Check this one out.

http://www.switchplane.com/awesome/business-name-generator/

LOL :-)


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  • Posted by mksmth oklahoma 7a (My Page) on
    Thu, Jun 27, 13 at 12:45

I was just coming here to post about brads email about new varieties. appears he beat me to it, LOL

Those are some really cool looking flowers.

Mike


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