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Posted by mksmth oklahoma 7a (My Page) on
Mon, Jun 25, 12 at 23:22

Next 7 days are going to be 100+ with no rain or much wind. My trees get sun from rise to set. Its so hot out and so early in the year that Im a bit nervous. I know they love heat and sun but at what point should I be worried about too much of either. I can move them to a fence that would shade them past about 2 ish or I can also make a shade cover
Thanks
Mike


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Mike
If you have any new plumies like JJ's etc, or newly rooted ones Id keep them by the fence and make sure they stay moist but not wet. Since most of JJ's cuttings are rooted in a greenhouse and kept under a covered area Id let them get use to your sun and heat.

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I'm going through the same thing Mike - mine are all cuttings, not rooted plants, and they've been out in full sun since I got them. But now the days are getting a little brutal and there isn't a lot of in between in my yard, it seems to be hardly no sun or full on sun all day.

I have mine on tables right now so I decided to move my tables a bit so that they are getting a shorter day of sun. I may have to adjust it this weekend because they're already shaded by the time I get home around 5:30 now, but I only moved the table about 1.5' so it can't be getting that much shorter of a day - before I moved it they were getting sun until 6:30 or even 7. Since the temps are so high these last few days though it's probably a good thing.

If you can give them morning and evening sun and shade during the hottest part of the day, I would say that's great but easier said than done, right?! I think they need about 6 hours of sun a day, but I don't know if that means OK., TX. and FL. type of sun or more "normal" sun LOL! Keep an eye on them for wilting or sunburns.


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  • Posted by mksmth oklahoma 7a (My Page) on
    Tue, Jun 26, 12 at 11:50

Thanks for the advice.

For now Im going to keep an eye on them and try to find a way to make some midday shade.
It really feels like our growing season shifted forward a month. We havent had temps this high this early. My cuttings are covered from the soil to the tip with toilet paper rolls to keep them from sunburning. Is that a good idea?

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It was 92 degrees at 9am today. Three new cuttings I have rooting in plastic bottles set down into a black plastic pot have sunburn. One was burned so bad it had collapsed all the way around and I had to cut it in two around the shrunken center, so yeah, it's outrageously hot. Kinda wish I'd tried just water-rooting that one.

Mike, I'm not sure when growers say to keep them in as much sun as possible that they're thinking of 107 degree days. My cuttings are getting morning sun only, the others get a mix of morning or afternoon with filtered midday sun.

The established ones are fine with water every few days, but there is some wrinkling and I definitely wouldn't keep any, older or newly-rooted, plumies out in this heat all day unless I could water them every day. Even then I'd make sure their leaves weren't scorching.


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Oh and I was wishing for warmer weather. We're still got the cool low 70s weather. I'm still chasing the sun moving my plants to catch the most of it. Should I not do that then? So what's the ideal temps? 80-90s?


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  • Posted by kim319 6A, So Indiana (My Page) on
    Tue, Jun 26, 12 at 13:54

I'm having the same trouble too. We have been having temps in the low 90s and some of mine has tiny wrinkles from it as well, especially Kimo, but hers goes away after the sun goes down. When it's been real hot out, I usually give them a cool down spritz after the sun sets behind the trees. My Bill Moragne has some wrinkles too, which it didn't have any until it got warmer, which they haven't gone away yet either but it's still putting out leaves (Would it be alright to water it more, not just around the rim since it has 5 6-7 inch leaves an has been rooted for exactly 2 months today?) . My neon lights got wrinkles from the sun/heat but when I gave it a little drink around the rim because the heat dried out my dirt in the midst of rooting, It plumped it back up but still has a few signs of wrinkles, but still firm. One day this week it's suppose to be 101F, I think I will keep them in the shade under our umbrella on the patio table due to all but one are in black pots.


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  • Posted by mksmth oklahoma 7a (My Page) on
    Wed, Jun 27, 12 at 9:40

Man its getting hot. 81 degrees at 6 am this morning. shooting for 105. 5 of the next 10 days are going to be 100+ the others high 90's and 0% chance of rain. I moved my trees to the north/south running fence and they should started getting shade about 1 ish. They are not showing any signs of stress though so maybe they would be ok.

this is the new crop so far for 2012
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back left to right
Hearts desire, Desert sunrise, divine, california sunset
front left to right
thumbalina, cuttings of celadine, puu kahea, scott pratt, 8 of my own delightful seedlings, inca gold, and Jenny who is finally re-rooting and doing great!

stay cool every one.
Mike


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113 in the shade at my house yesterday.
Having to open umbrellas so they have some afternoon shade or they will burn up.
Lonnie in DFW


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Pics look good, Mike. Thanks for posting them. By the way, this is Jake. If you remember, we spoke on email a few weeks back. Yeah, it has been really hot here, too. My plants have been growing fine so far, though. A little yellowing on a few of the bottom leaves, but the rest of them look good. I've got two more inflos now. Hopefully, they won't wilt in this heat. I may take Lonnie's advice and open up an umbrella to shade them from the afternoon sun. By the way, Lonnie, where are you located? I'm in Little Elm.


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  • Posted by mksmth oklahoma 7a (My Page) on
    Wed, Jun 27, 12 at 15:52

Wow Lonnie Thats hot!

Hey Jake

Glad you hear yours are doing good. would love to see the pics of your inflos. Dont get to worried about the bottom older leaves yellowing. Its perfectly normal for them to drop.

mike


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  • Posted by mksmth oklahoma 7a (My Page) on
    Sat, Jun 30, 12 at 22:49

6 straight days of 100+ has really brought out some intense colors.
Desert sunrise

Divine

Stay cool
Mike


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Mike
You may want to check out this link to the Arizona Plumeria Society as they have intense summer heat their plumies have different growing needs like shade part of the day. Even though you guys may have more humidity which helps extremely hot intense sun light is not always your friend. the APS talks about growing in high heat so check it out.
Where my patch is in Coastal So Cal the temps average around 76 to about 80, but on a high about 85 to 90, rarely will it ever hit 100.

Here is a link that might be useful: AZ Plumie Society link


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  • Posted by mksmth oklahoma 7a (My Page) on
    Tue, Jul 3, 12 at 18:36

Still hot. How about some pictures.
Desert Sunrise

California sunset

Divine

Mike


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I live in Texas, heat and humidity are the norm here. I got started w/plumeria when I lived in Hawaii, where they grow in full sun all year. 96 with heat index of 106 at 0530 this week, we are having a cool front and only mid-90's this week. Our humidity is rarely below 85%.

Mine grow in full sun, some are on the flat roof of the porch, sitting on asphalt with sun from dawn to dusk.
I do keep seedlings in am sun/afternoon shade or any new cuttings until they get going good. And one variegated which I am not brave enough to put on the roof so it gets sun on & off most of the day.

On occassion they look droopy mid-day but perk back up when the sun goes down, I would say cool off but it never does that.
Tally HO!


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Tally - I'm a little ways south down the coast from you and I have always had mine in full sun as well and they do fine. Was in the hundreds a couple of weeks ago and did not seem to phase them though I watched them closely. Thank goodness the temps have lowered a little since then.


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  • Posted by mksmth oklahoma 7a (My Page) on
    Tue, Jul 3, 12 at 22:11

My second year trees handle the sun and heat just fine its the newly rooted ones that seem to not like it. Even my mature bananas are not liking it.
My water bill just came and im done watering the grass and some of the veggies. All my prized plants will get watered but that's it.
Mike


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My experience is extreme sun and heat mostly impact the younger plants (3 years and under). I look for late afternoon shade for those. My mature plants require almost daily watering in those conditions. A few of the more exotic varieties can get leaf burn. I look for good morning and mid day sun and some afternoon shade protection for those.


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  • Posted by mksmth oklahoma 7a (My Page) on
    Thu, Jul 5, 12 at 21:39

Still hot. Hearts desire opened up today. Scent is nice but light. Delightful has an inflo and should open here in a few weeks. Ill be ready for some lighter colored flowers soon.

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Surf, I agree the heat seems to have no impact on them. In Hawaii they grow on the hot dry side of the island, no irrigation. The new seedlings and cuttings don't like afternoon sun but handle the heat with no problem.
I've never been to Central America when it wasn't hotter than hades and Hawaii was only cool up in the mountains. These are tropical trees after all, native to intense sun and heat for most of the year. It's even hotter than Texas which is hard to believe.
Tally HO!


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Surf, I agree the heat seems to have no impact on them. In Hawaii they grow on the hot dry side of the island, no irrigation. The new seedlings and cuttings don't like afternoon sun but handle the heat with no problem.
I've never been to Central America when it wasn't hotter than hades and Hawaii was only cool up in the mountains. These are tropical trees after all, native to intense sun and heat for most of the year. It's even hotter than Texas which is hard to believe.
Tally HO!


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  • Posted by mksmth oklahoma 7a (My Page) on
    Mon, Jul 30, 12 at 19:34

Well its only getting hotter here. Trying to keep things alive is getting hard. We haven't had rain in weeks. This morning at 7am it was 90.
Whats the temps like in your areas?

Mike


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Sheesh, Mike, I don't know how you can stand it!

We are forecasted to only be around 87 to 90 for the week but it is always a bit warmer here where I live. 95ish, hot and humid is what I'm expecting.

Most of the summer our meteorologist forecast the 3 H's. Hazy, hot and humid. Your temps are just downright Horrid. :)

We have had our share of rain and there always seems to be a good breeze blowing. This is rather strange... usually this time of year we are lucky to get a breeze unless you're at the ocean.


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  • Posted by mksmth oklahoma 7a (My Page) on
    Mon, Jul 30, 12 at 20:07

Moonie. Its is no fun for sure. Fortunately the humidity has be very low by OK standards. Only thing you can do is get things done early. They say tommorow the city may start water restrictions.

Mike


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Mike-
That's insane. Taking a personal moment to be thankful for San Diego weather. I have a good friend from OK who just returned from a trip home... she had planned all these park dates with friends, all of which had to be moved inside, I can't even imagine that. Hang in there, Mike... that's seriously unfriendly weather.

Wishing you and your plumie's the best!

Wendy


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Hey Mike,

That is HOT!!!

I wouldn't want to see temps like that either..

Please be careful and stay out of that heat...

I have been working in this heat and the heat indices were in the triple digits.. I have never seen temps like this before on the East Coast. Im talking smoking HOT!!!

Thinking of you all in OK..

Take care,

Laura


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Next three days are supposed to be 111. I've already moved my plumies under the dappled light of the arbor which helps but if we do have water restrictions I may have to move them to the basement under the Fluorescent lights where they won't require water every day.
Ugh.
Hope it's not true that Tulsa and the surrounding regions are turning into a desert. :)

-Robert


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Hey all, new to posting but not to reading the forums...

As far as temps go, Plumeria should be able to handle the heat without to much difficulty. I lived for 11 years in the middle east and Singapore's were very common there with temps that would regularly get into the 120's and sometimes as high as 140. There were all in ground Plumeria's that were 20-30' tall.

My wife and I would buy a new one every time we moved into a new house (about once every two or three years) and plant one of these so even the smaller ones seemed to survive the heat without much difficulty.

We did water liberally every day (sand does drain pretty well..). Granted Singapore's are the exotic hybrids that seems to be common on the forum (but they are my personal favorites), and that may have some affect, but I think that your 110 degree weather should be fine for established trees.


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Here around Austin the forecasts are varying a few degrees but looking at between 98-104 this week. If you're out of the AC for about 2 minutes you'll be sorry!

My plumies are really hanging in there with the heat. I'm keeping a close eye on them and will move them if I have to. I've put my cuttings that are trying to root in a spot where they get morning sun but the rest is indirect. I've seen a couple respond much better to this now that it's so hot.


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  • Posted by mksmth oklahoma 7a (My Page) on
    Tue, Jul 31, 12 at 10:41

Wendy, Laura. Thanks for the thoughts, You girls stay cool also.

Robert

I hope they dont restrict water also. Bixby used to make its own water from lake Bixohma but a few years ago they started buying from Tulsa so Ill be affected also. What drives me crazy is to see all the Quiktrips with lush green grass and everyone else is all dry. I think they should restrict businesses and Neighborhood entries first. My water use is so small compared to places like that. I try to at least keep my foundations wet so I dont have problem with walls and doors. Once a week Ill still water the lawn but I do it at night when overall use is lower.

Wilson
thats good to know that you have seen them take that kind of heat. My established trees are doing fine with plenty of water. My smaller ones are as well they just get some shade during the middle of the day. My Bananas absolutely hate this heat. Each new leaf burns up almost immediately. I had to move a few in pots to the shade just to save them. The more established inground are doing ok just burning up.

elucas

I was wondering what been happening in the big TX. sounds like you are getting warmed up pretty good.


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mksmth

I would definitely take care with any that you are currently trying to root or that have just rooted, but established trees will probably be fine as long as they have plenty of water.

Should also mention that in that high heat the humidity was often 80-90%, summers there were just horrible. As soon as you step outside you start sweating.


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Out here in Arizona my plumeria LOVE the heat but hate the direct sun. I keep them on the patio in indirect sunlight and they thrive.
It's interesting that even with 110 degree heat most of the summer that I only have to water them every 5-6 days while other people in different parts of the country are watering them everyday.....hmmmmm.


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  • Posted by mksmth oklahoma 7a (My Page) on
    Tue, Jul 31, 12 at 11:57

AZ that is interesting how you only water that often. Are yours in ground or in containers. Mine are all in containers that dry out pretty fast. Im sure I could stretch my watering to every 3 or 4 days but Im nervous to try.

mike


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Jen, what I have discovered is when my cuttings start to get leaves( even if no roots yet) I put them in my special "K" mix in dappled sun. This has been really working well for me. I sacraficed my first cuttings, by putting them in full sun. I guess I had to learn the hard way. I have 5 of these in my plumeria nursery that are really putting on alot of new growth. I will move them to full sun in Sept, since August is our hottest month. Barbra


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Mike-Mine are all in containers on a shelving type stand I made. None of them see direct sun but get plenty of good indirect sun. I have a thermometer right above them on the wall and even in the shade it's 100+ everyday.

Remember, it's harder to kill a plumeria from lack of water rather than too much water.


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AZ, love your one liner. I was getting 100 degree days for a week while I was gone and couldn't water. I expected the worst, but was surprised when I came home to find more growth than when I'd been home watering. Maybe they sense the heat and start putting out more leaves to suck up moisture from the air.

Big Wave Dave


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Mike, I think you can stretch out your watering to every three days, even in that heat. I've always gone three to four days with most of mine. Seedlings are the exception, but only if they look droopy in the morning; you can't go by evening droop.

That is even hotter there than here, more like our temps last summer. Even then I don't think we had lows as high as mid-80's! Stay cool, Okies!


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  • Posted by mksmth oklahoma 7a (My Page) on
    Wed, Aug 1, 12 at 11:28

Hey Jandy

Im going to try that and see how it works. The new this morning said that this July wasnt as hot as last year. Temperature wise Im sure it was but its doesnt feel like it.
The humidity has been very low by our standards which helps. Im sure its because we have been in a drought and everything is drying up. The city is still saying we are in a voluntary water restriction. I need to set my AC condensate drain bucket back up. Last summer I collected 15 gallons per day of condensate water. That really help the water bill out.

Mike


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Even though we are no longer on water restrictions I am still in drought mode, keeping watering cans to empty the bathtub, a bucket in the sink for the water used to clean bird and dog bowls...

I water the plumeria on the backdeck every 3-5 days depending on my work schedule. The ones planted in the yard get watered when I water everything else, 1-2 times per week depending.
All the plants are loving this heat, humidity and all the rain we had earlier. The bananas especially love heat and are flowering and producing fruit.
Tally HO!


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I don't care what the weather forecast says, it's got to be 150 degrees out there!!!


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  • Posted by mksmth oklahoma 7a (My Page) on
    Wed, Aug 1, 12 at 20:29

OH NOOOOOO!! this is scentsational when I got home just now. I watered it yesterday morning. 5 gallon sunk in the ground. Needless to say I wont be pushing 3-4 days with this heat.

Mike


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Whoa Mike! That looks dreadful! I've never had one look that bad except after the hurricane when they were locked in the house for 2 weeks with no care. My brugs look like that every afternoon but they are just pouting and perk up when the sun goes down.
Good luck.
Tally HO!


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  • Posted by mksmth oklahoma 7a (My Page) on
    Wed, Aug 1, 12 at 22:51

Its starting to perk up but im afraid it will lose a bunch of leaves. I pulled it up and moved it to shade for a few days. It was 113 today and the next few look to be no different. The wind was blowing good and the humidity was low so im sure that didn't help.

Mike


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No! Very sorry, Mike! :(
I hope it recovers fully like my California Sunset however we now know that our babies need water daily.
I might try you A/C condensate trick.

-Robert


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Mike, I feel your pain and hope it perks up for you. I've been leaving mine in the sun until about 2pm and then pull it into the shade. Then, around 6:30-7 I'll move it back out. So far the leaves look ok, though I am getting a few wrinkles on the trunk. While it seems to be doing alright, everything else... not so much. My brug is burning along with half of the garden, no matter how wet you keep them. You really start to wonder why you even try, it's demoralizing.


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It will loose some leaves but will be OK. Have you considered a top layer of mulch for right now? you can always remove it later.


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Robert, Allan

Hope you are staying cool.

It looks much better this morning. Some leaves are pretty burnt but otherwise ok.

K, I think I will get some mulch. They are saying we could hit all time high for tulsa 115. Last time it was officially that hot was back in the dust bowl.

mike


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Wow! Mike sorry to see such a sad plumie. Hope it recovers. Seems to me it's been triple digits for a long time out there. Hope it ends for you soon.
Kathy


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Boy, was I wrong! Sorry about that, Mike. Scentsational clearly needs more water than every three days in your heat. It may just be one of those water hogs. How are the rest of yours holding up?

We're back up into the solid triple digits here and I have a few in full afternoon sun, in black pots above ground, so I put some white bags of mulch against the pots for some afternoon protection.

Those black pots are great in spring when you want the roots warmed up but in summer they must feel like the seventh circle of Hades to those poor roots.


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Those black pots are killers, I move everything out of them as soon as possible, using them only for plants headed to swaps. Especially if you put them in the sun, you can feel the heat coming off.

Mulch, mulch and more mulch! I haul it in by the truckloads and mulch everything, even cactus.
Only mid to upper 90's this week, our humidity remains above 80% as usual.
Tally HO!


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  • Posted by mksmth oklahoma 7a (My Page) on
    Thu, Aug 2, 12 at 21:57

Oh jandy its not your fault. Delightful was 6 feet away watered the same and it was just fine. Scentsational has some huge leaves so im sure transpiration is much higher. On a side note I spent 13 hours in the sun in a ditch today for work. I feel like scentsational did

Mike


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Mike... Scentsational is very hardy. I bet she will rebound very quickly for you. Just baby her for a few days.

I am too trying to find a happy medium for my plants. If I move them in the shade too much then I don't get the nice colors. Leave them in the sun too long and my leaves are burnt. And ours temps are only in the mid 70s to low 80s. And I thought the more sun the better. But it doesn't appear to be that way with mine.


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I live just south of Ft. Worth and todays temps were 109 on my back porch, and in the shade! My plumies get sun from morning till about 2-3pm, then shade. Cuttings are in shade on the back porch and receive filtered sun light and rooting very quickly. I do spray the cuttings with water several times per day.
Lonnie


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Mike - I don't know how far apart you have your plumies located but I used that plastic fencing stuck up on tall stakes to give mine just a little bit of shade on those days when I'm not going to be home during the hottest part of the day.

My weather isn't near as hot as yours but we have had quite a few days of over 100.

My DH ripped some 2X4's to make the stakes.

I'm so sorry that your Scentsational suffered so badly. Take care of yourself working out there in that heat!


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Mike get out of the ditch! Hope you don't have to spend more time out there.
Tally HO!


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  • Posted by mksmth oklahoma 7a (My Page) on
    Fri, Aug 3, 12 at 21:33

Well mother nature blessed us this morning. I walked out to leave and we got a decent rain shower. It still hit 110 and I spent a few hours outside but all is good. Ill post some pics of scentsationals recovery soon

Mike


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  • Posted by isobea 10, San Diego (My Page) on
    Sat, Aug 4, 12 at 22:57

Hi everyone in Oklahoma,
Are you guys okay with all those wildfires burning today? I have friends who live close to Prague and so have been following the news closely. One of the fires seems to be heading straight for Tulsa.
Please, let us know you are alright.
Iso


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TOU in OK...

Please let us know that you all are alright...

Laura


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  • Posted by mksmth oklahoma 7a (My Page) on
    Sun, Aug 5, 12 at 21:32

Man what a crazy state I live in. The fires were close to Tulsa but the city and where I live is on the opposite side of the Arkansas river from them. The sky was orange with smoke and ash was falling down when I was walking into church. I do have a cousin and friend who are fireman out on them working their butts off. We did get some rain last night and the temps were in the 90's so that was nice.

Here is scentsational. Its looks a little beat up but overall not too bad

Stay cool
Mike


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Looks a whole lot better than it did Mike. Glad the fire wasn't too close. Hope your cousin and friend and you stay safe. Peg


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Mike, pack some mulch or dirt in around that pot so you don't have that air space. Then heap some mulch over it all. That will help insulate the pot a bit.


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Nice! Looks like she'll make it. Stay cool Mike!
Kathy


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I went to school in Norman in the early 1950s and I remember lots of violent thunderstorms and high winds. I would think plumeria trees and leaves would be shredded in those conditions. From what I see on TV, the entire state is subject to that type of weather.


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  • Posted by mksmth oklahoma 7a (My Page) on
    Fri, Aug 10, 12 at 8:13

JP

wind here is an almost everyday battle. It can be blowing 10-20 from the south in the morning and then switch to the north. My plumeria handle it pretty good but the bananas look awful come mid summer.

Looks like we will finally get some relief. We are still 15 inches from coming out of the drought. There is a good chance we could see a high 50 close by tommorrow morning. What is really sad is all the deciduous trees have started dropping leaves because of no rain so it really looks like fall but feels like summer.

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Hey Mike,

The cooler temperatures are definitely welcomed especially after receiving a 100 dollar water bill!
Kinda puts a damper on my wanting just one more plumeria (maybe next year I'll get Gold Coast Peachy). :)

-Robert


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Mike, I know what you mean about the bananas We get those hurricanes and tropical storms coming thru here and my banana tree leaves would look like ribbons attached to the center vein. I finally gave up on those.
It's only 82 here this AM, but humidity is 88%.


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Mike, just to let you know how I am handing the hot weather. I can only deep water my plumeria once a week. In my soil, I add 1/2 miracle grow soil to the gritty mix, on the recommendation of two plumeria society members. I plunge my pots into the soil, all the way up to the rim. I use 5 gallon black pots. I planted small shrub type plants on both sides of the pots, to give shade to the plumeria roots. I read on this forum, that Plumeria love their heads in full sun, but their feet like the shade. I have a sprinkler system that waters 30 minutes every other day, to help suppliment watering, just like a sprinkle. We had one shower in the last 2 months. The majority of my plants were just purchased this year, they seem to all be doing well, and are putting out inflos. Next year I plan to plant them all into the ground, and only use the pots for the newly purchased plants. Barbra


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  • Posted by mksmth oklahoma 7a (My Page) on
    Fri, Aug 17, 12 at 9:35

Well we are starting to get into our late summer weather pattern where it can be cool one day and scorching the next. We had a cold front push through last night and brought a good rain to my area.

today we are having what I call a "california day" 60's in the morning and mid 80's during the day. Ive never been to CA but I imagine thats what its like, LOL The next 7 days are forecasted to be like this. Its such a welcome relief but also a reminder that I need to get the greenhouse ready and start making plans for overwintering. Our first frost isnt until October so I have time.

Our weather here can be so crazy that it made me think of a few things. Those who live or lived here may relate and those who may visit might take this advice.
You really have to be like a boy scout to live here.
In the middle of winter we will have days in the 80's and then the next day it can snow 6-8 inches. The opposite is also true, snow in the morning and mid 50's to 60's by afternoon. In the summer it will get to 110 and the next morning it can be in the 60's. I have left for work in the morning and it was colder by 20-30 degrees when i left in the afternoon.

anyways it keeps you on you toes.

Mike


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Dear Oklahoma,

Please send rain.

Thanks,
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