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Walnut / Black Walnut Trees

Blake
25 years ago

I am considering purchasing a 5-acre property with 30+-year-old growth Walnut and Black Walnut Trees.

Is there a way to use these beautiful trees to produce income? How many nuts do average trees produce? How would I find information regarding the harvesting and preparation of the nuts? Am I just nuts ;-)?

Thanks for any input you can provide

Blake

blakebj@earthlink.net

Comments (63)

  • Molly Bonnell
    22 years ago

    There are so many questions asked in this post, some answered. About the pounds of nuts produced per tree call you county agent he would have the numbers.

  • Ron Hill
    22 years ago

    How can a person start a black walnut tree growing busisness? I have 40 acres and would like to start a wood busines ,so how could I get started ,and how long would it take for trees to mature and ready to be cut for vineer?

  • Judy_B_ON
    22 years ago

    Start it now and your grandchildren will be able to sell the logs.

  • Ksmccarty
    21 years ago

    I have a number of black walnut trees and am looking for a market to sell them, anyone know of any? I'm located in Central Ohio, but I imagine shipping is a possibility. Thanks.

  • kathcart
    20 years ago

    Blake, My grandkids help me gather the ripe walnuts in a wheelbarrow. We have a buyer who comes to the local co-op each fall-- you might ask locally. What you don't sell, you can pile up under the tree for a whopping pile of baby trees the next summer. I givem away in milk cartons. You might inquire at USDA APHIS online about conditions of commercial sale of trees. They make gorgeous huge shade trees. But don't try planting an herb garden under them, even if they do leaf out late! Poppies, iris, vinca and garlic grow well under them. You can make wonderful silver-to-chocloate natural fiber dye for quilting and basketry. Email me for Mrs. Greve's Walnut Syrup recipe made in July from green hulls. Your grandkids can practice baseball on the walnuts with an old mop handle.

  • PRO
    Catrina's Garden
    20 years ago

    Hi Blake,
    I lived on a 28 acre property in SW WI covered with black walnut. Moved away a year ago. I'd say if you are considering getting the property for other reasons go for it, but if you are getting it for the possible investment on the trees you have a lot to consider. You really should have an impartial forester look at the land before you buy. I'm sure they have some value, but they won't be veneer grade unless the have been managed over the last 30 years, meaning pruneing while they were young and managing the rest of the forest so there are not compeating trees or plants near them and thinning them as they grow selling off the ifrerior ones young and selecting the best ones to stay. If it hasn't been managed you may have a few good trees, but mostly not. Also if you are thinking of living there and just want a beautyful woods, having it logged really tears it up. Lumber values vary greatly in different areas. Up here durring the time that we had considered logging walnut value was in a real slump, then just before we moved they were picking up and we had called the forester in, but then never went through with it as we ended up leaving.
    As far as the nuts go, it may be different somewhere else, but where we lived they had no value. The only one that would buy them was the forest service and they used them for planting large plots. I think you could get like 75 cents a busshel. They do make a tasty pie, but it will take you 2 days work. By the time you are done your hands will ache and will be discolored even if you wear gloves. I have tried comercial crackers as well as every tool in the tool box, a large rock and running them over with the truck. It's a lot of work no matter how you do it. Also some of them have worms inside and are gross.
    One other problem with them has only been slightly alluded to here. The juglone that they produce prevents you from growing many, many plants. There are plants that are not bothered by the juglone. I have a list of them that is compiled from quite a few sources combined as well as personal experience, if you want it. The juglone is mainly in the root zone of any tree, but the leaves have it to some extent. Also the sqirels love to burry the nuts in the freshly dug gardens and if a seedling grows it will spoil that area for quite awhile. It takes many years for the juglone to leave the soil even if you cut the trees down.
    Hope this helps,
    Catrina

  • terrywo
    20 years ago

    How do I identify what type of walnut tree I have in my yard? Also when can I harvest the nuts? Thanks

  • Sandy_IL
    20 years ago

    I have noticed many people seem to think they have no choice but to tackle the black walnuts with a hammer. That method is just not worth the work! I have found it to be much easier, and very effective, to use a heavy duty nutcracker made for black walnuts. There are several out there.

  • lucky_p
    20 years ago

    Sandy's right. A good black walnut cracker, or even something as simple as a bench-mounted vise, does a good, speedy job on cracking out walnuts. Additionally, if you'll soak those cleaned nuts(you really need to clean the husk material off soon after they drop from the tree, or else the nutmeats will become discolored) in a pan/bucket of warm water for an hour or so prior to a session of cracking, you'll find that the shells will buckle and split, releasing intact quarters, rather than 'exploding' when you reach 'critical pressure'.
    There are a number of improved BW varieties that have been selected for thinner shells, easier cracking, and higher kernel/shell ratios - some may have 3X more kernel than the run-of-the-mill wild-type BW.

    Here is a link that might be useful: Northern Nut Growers Association

  • lorettarose
    20 years ago

    I LIVE IN A SUBURB OF CHICAGO AND WOULD LIKE TO SELL MY 3 BLACK WALNUT TREES. CAN ANYONE HELP ME TO GET INFORMATION ON WHO BUYS AND REMOVES THE TREES? THANK YOU

  • Asteroid
    20 years ago

    Black walnuts sure generate a lot of discussion. I have three large trees about 20 feet from the south side of the house. We removed a fourth about 20 years ago and couldn't get anyone to pay us for the wood. We also have a few young trees growing up on the fence line, compliments of the squirrels.

    I know what you mean about the work involved in processing the nuts. I gave up after several attempts. I have a friend who used to come and gather some - her husband liked to crack them and she would give me a loaf of walnut bread. But her husband has Alzheimer's now, so that resource is no longer available to me. My sister has a second home in Missouri, and she says the caretaker gathers nuts for someone who processes them and gives her back some of the processed nuts in return. I wish I could find someone to do that again. It just takes too much time.

    This year we had a bumper crop and we spent three or four afternoons raking them up. We dumped them in piles over on the undeveloped lot next door. I'd rather have BWs over there than buckthorn!

    Native wildflowers grow under the BWs. Ferns, wild ginger, Jack-in-the-pulpit, Jacob's ladder, bloodroot and more. I know they're supposed to be bad for the vegetable garden, but I've not had any problems. My vegetable beds are another 50 ft. or so south of these trees, and I'm sure some of the roots must reach that far. I have very healthy asparagus plants. The only problem I noticed was that after several years of good growing, my rhubarb plants started declining, just in the center of the row. I wondered whether there was a BW root tunneling under them, but I never uncovered one. I just moved the rhubarb. I never noticed any effect on the veggies from buried nuts, either.

    The redeeming quality of these trees is the wonderful shade they give. They are really beautiful, and I would not cut them down even though they cause me a lot of grief being so close to the house. It would take way too long for any new trees to take their place. And I like the smell of the husks. Oh, and I've had many dogs over the years, and only one of them ever picked up a nut. He was a golden retriever who thought my green tomatoes were tennis balls!

  • PRO
    Catrina's Garden
    20 years ago

    A few things I forgot to mention on the last post. I really don't think a dog will have anything to do with the nuts. The kids would throw them and even though she loves fetching balls and sticks she would not touch the nuts.
    One more word of advice about planting these trees. Don't put them near your driveway, garage or anywhere else that you plan to park your car. Probably not a good idea to have one near a patio or somewhere that humans hang out or near a building with a metal roof. These nuts make large dents in viecles and can knock you out if they hit you in the head.

  • fusion_power
    20 years ago

    Lets take some of these questions and try to address them.

    1. The Eastern Black Walnut (Juglans Nigra) is native to areas from Nebraska to southern Canada to New York to Florida to Texas. It has a huge range with lots of genetic diversity. There are several other species of walnut native to the United States including Juglans Major (Arizona walnut), Juglans Cinerea (Butternut), Juglans Californica (southern California walnut), Juglans Hindsii (Hinds walnut native to Northern California). All can be differentiated from other tree species by the chambered pith in young limbs and by the leaf structure and by the characteristic odor. One non-native tree (juglans Regia aka Persian or English walnut) is prominent in certain areas because it is cultivated extensively for nut production.

    2. If you have one or two or even a dozen trees in your yard and think you are sitting on a fortune in valuable wood, think again. The most valuable walnut trees are straight and tall with even grain and diameter over 16 inches at breast height. Yard trees rarely have these characteristics. In addition, many yard trees have had nails, fence wire, horseshoes, and other metal objects attached that then grow into the wood. This ruins the most valuable part of the tree from a veneer perspective and drastically reduces its value for sawlogs. Very rarely will a timber buyer mess around with yard trees. You might however be able to sell them to a local cabinet maker or small sawmill operation because they have a market for the logs harvested. Regardless, most of the time you will have to PAY to have the tree(s) removed!

    3. Walnuts can be harvested and generate some income if there is a market for the nuts. (Hammons walnut products in Stockton Missouri is the only large buyer of black walnuts in the U.S.) The typical prices paid are about a dime a pound for clean nuts. An acre of managed trees can produce from 1000 to 3000 pounds of nuts per year in good years but may produce zilch most years. Most native trees are not adequate nut producers to make nut production commercially viable. I have personally looked at over 10,000 walnut trees throughout the Southeast and have found only 2 trees that are consistently productive of high quality nuts.

    3. Planting nuts and growing timber is a highly viable possibility if you can wait 40 or more years for harvest. Better yet, if you buy land that already has young standing timber, careful stand improvement might be able to dramatically improve the quality and value of the trees. I would suggest some serious investigation before doing anything large scale.

    4. You can plant or graft black walnut to better quality named cultivars. There are timber producing and nut producing selections. If you want to do this on a serious basis, I suggest investigating www.nolinnursery.com. No matter what you do, handling the nuts is a dirty and difficult chore. If anyone wants detailed information about nut...

  • wayne_5 zone 6a Central Indiana
    20 years ago

    Here's an interesting site for plantation growers

    Here is a link that might be useful: grow your own?

  • toluki
    19 years ago

    Dear Sirs,

    I'm looking for unriped green and soft European or Black Walnuts in wax ripeness, collected in beginning- middle of June. I need few pounds of them for health purpose and it's very important for me. I will pay for the nuts as well as for shipment.
    Waiting for your prompt response,

    Sincerely,

    Anatoly Osatinski, Brooklyn, NY

  • stry_cat
    19 years ago

    Some of these posts are really old, so they probably have already figured out that most urban walnut trees are best used for shade or fire wood.

    I found this interesting article: http://ohioline.osu.edu/for-fact/0044.html
    It gives a good description of what to look for in the value of a tree.

  • zoesdad
    18 years ago

    Does anyone have any suggestions for plants to use around a black walnut...particularly groundcovers and shrubs? I just bought my family homeplace in central NC and there is a 150 year old black walnut in the front yard. The only things I remember doing well near it are nandina, a cherry tree and a catawba tree.

  • Flowerkitty
    18 years ago

    Here is an interesting tool to pick nuts or windfalls off the ground. Site includes videos. Looks interesting

    Here is a link that might be useful: Tool to Pick Up Nuts or Windfalls

  • den13
    18 years ago

    i have on my property, 4 black walnut trees that i want to sell. they are located in northern illinois. i would like to khow if anyone has any information on how i can proceed with this? thanks. the trees are at least fifty years old.

  • MikeB
    18 years ago

    Check the tree forum

  • flwrlvrmnzone4
    18 years ago

    anyone still talking about blackwalnut trees?

  • bodie
    18 years ago

    How far should I plant a walnut from my vegetable garden? I would love to have some walnuts as shade trees around the house, but I have a garden about 150' away. Is there room enough to do this?

  • john_mo
    18 years ago

    I think the allelopathic effects of black walnuts are pretty much limited to the area under the canopy, perhaps wider if the roots are involved. And any black walnut tree you plant now will have a pretty small 'footprint' for, oh, about 50 years!

  • garden_luvr
    18 years ago

    Why is this thread in the Meadows and Prairies Forum???

  • aliska12000
    17 years ago

    I gathered some from several trees in my neighborhood in the fall a couple years ago, and the nutmeats didn't taste good at all. I only tested the ones where the hulls had shrivelled or come off naturally. My sister picked some up at the farm 50 miles away and same thing. Even the squirrels wouldn't eat most of mine.

  • huzzah
    17 years ago

    If your walnut tree has a damaged or crooked trunk and you want to get a nice straight tree that is is much more vauable later on, you can cut down smaller walnut trees with an established root system to the ground and they will send up a shoot that grows straighter and faster than the original.

  • dantetn
    17 years ago

    Hi, I live in East Tn. I have 3 or 4 walnut trees. One is obout 60 ft tall, 26-30 inches in diameter. Straight all the way up. Any idea at all if they are worth much. The biggest had an electric fences nailed to it about 4 foot high.

  • caseyp
    17 years ago

    hi does anyone know how much you get by the pound at the hulling stations thanks

  • joepyeweed
    17 years ago

    The nail marks devalue the lumber. My parents recently sold a black walnut tree - I think they got around $1,200 for it. They could have gotten quite a bit more but the woodpeckers had done quite a bit of damage.

    My parents removed the tree because they wanted to expand their garden in that direction towards the trees.

  • carolbgood
    17 years ago

    We have several black walnut trees in our yard. I'm a fanatical nature lover and would never consider cutting down a viable tree, but have discovered that most other plants, flowers, shrubs, bushes, etc. do not grow within 50+ ft. of a black walnut tree. Apparently, this is due to the toxicity in the tree's roots. Unless something can be done, these trees are coming down. Does anyone have any information or suggestions? Thanks

  • ahughes798
    17 years ago

    All kinds of native plants will grow under a Black Walnut.

  • citrus_master
    17 years ago

    Dose anyone know the current price for a 25 year old black walnut tree. I am just looking for a "in the ball park value."

  • hartbraker
    16 years ago

    I have a 25-30 foot tall Black Walnut and I want to get an estimate on how much it could be worth. It's a good looking tree and branches are about 7 1/2 feet up.
    Thanks and I look forward recieving a response.

  • rvtohio
    16 years ago

    I have just had my black walnut tree taken down. I live in NW Ohio. The trunk is 100inches diameter in the skinniest spot and 10'6" length- before it Y's. Any idea of how much it is worth and who would I contact to get a list of people who buy it? thank you for any information I can get- I would like it removed as soon as possible.

  • Daniel
    16 years ago

    holy carp rvtohio that is one monster tree! I don't know how much that is worth but I would guess a lot, probably 5 or 10 thousand dollars, assuming that is that the trunk is straight. I've got a whole bunch along our treeline of our property I live out in the sticks so to me it looks like pretty good trees easily 30 or 40 ft of striaght veneer growth. I found this little guide thought it would be useful to people who are contimplating this, it puts an end to harvesting urban walnut trees for cash.

    Urban Walnut Trees
    Their Value as Timber or Veneer

    http://ohioline.osu.edu/for-fact/0044.html

    Ohio State University Fact Sheet
    School of Natural Resources
    2021 Coffey Road, Columbus, Ohio 43210
    Urban Walnut Trees
    Their Value as Timber or Veneer
    F-44-02

    William G. Owen
    Extension Agent Emeritus, Environmental Education
    and Community Development

    Randall B. Heiligmann
    Extension Specialist, Forestry

    Reports of black walnut trees being sold for hundreds or even thousands of dollars often cause homeowners to dream of huge profits from selling their backyard walnut trees. Unfortunately, while good quality walnut trees are often quite valuable, walnut trees grown in an urban setting usually are not. Only an exceptionally large, high-quality, urban-grown walnut or group of walnut trees would interest a timber or veneer buyer.

    Black walnut (Juglans nigra) has long been used for fine furniture, gun stocks, bowls, and novelties because of its beautiful grain, color, and the ease with which it can be worked. Good quality walnut logs are cut into lumber; the best are sliced into veneer. Walnut veneer is a very thin sheet of wood (as thin as

    1/50 inch) that can be glued to the surface of another species of wood or plywood to give the appearance of walnut. Walnut veneer may be sliced by repeatedly passing the log against a sharp blade, or peeled into larger sheets by slowly spinning the log against a sharp blade. The use of veneer allows walnut products to be produced at a fraction of the cost of producing them from solid wood. While walnut lumber trees must be of good quality, veneer trees are of higher quality and command the highest prices.

    Several key characteristics determine the value of a black walnut tree for timber or veneer, including trunk diameter, merchantable height, and how free the trunk is from defects. (More information is available in Fact Sheet F-35, Measuring Standing Trees Determining Diameter, Merchantable Height, and Volume, available from county offices of Ohio State University Extension.)

    While walnut buyers will occasionally purchase small trees, particularly if they are part of a group of trees being sold, trees less than 15 inches in diameter are of comparatively little value. Quality lumber and veneer trees generally have diameters of 18 inches or greater. A tree's diameter is measured 4-1/2 feet above the ground. It can be determined by measuring the circumference with a cloth tape...

  • rvtohio
    16 years ago

    Thanks for the information Daniel. Currently my brother has the trunk, because it was on my and a neighbor's property. He has a workshop/garage big enough to stor it. I will pass on all this info to him. Sorry I did not respond sooner, was checking in on a regular basis and then when the trunk got removed, you know out of sight out of mind. But once again, thank you!
    RVT Ohio

  • dkurth
    16 years ago

    hi, I have a huge black walnut tree. i would say 25 feet of straight trunk before it's Y. The diameter of the trunk is about 12 feet round. it is so large I can't even clime to it's first branch with a 24 foot ladder. I am interested in selling it. Does anyone know if someone could come out and cut it down and pay me for the wood??? Or how do i go about selling the wood. I live in south east michigan.

  • nashg
    16 years ago

    dkurth, I would be intrested in helping you remove the tree and buying the wood to make furnature out of it. I have a portable sawmill that I use to cut the logs into lumber. My email address is novawalnut@gmail.com

  • irod
    13 years ago

    I have 2 very large black walnut trees on my property that need to be removed and I'm exploring to sell the wood. The trunk of the first tree is 14 ft before it branches and its diameter 45+ inches. The trunk of the second tree is 15 ft before it branches and the diameter is 30+ inches. I will have the trees professionally removed by a tree removal company, but I am looking for a buyer for the trunks. I am located in a suburb of NYC. Any interest/suggestions/leads?

  • jhl1654
    12 years ago

    I have 8 VERY large walnut trees on my property that I would like to sell and remove. They are very tall and straight. I was wondering what they are worth and how to go about selling and removing them. I live on long island, ny. The trees are set back over 100 ft from the house. Any help would really be appreciated.

  • jebert
    12 years ago

    Maureen, I would recommend contacting your extension agent or local forester for more information on who you might contact for potential removal/purchasing. Trees grown in yard or farmstead settings - unless carefully managed - will likely not attract a great deal of attention from timber buyers due to potential for old nails, wire, etc that may exist under in the tree.

    I'm in west central WI and had 4 20"+ Black Walnuts we needed to remove last year and we couldn't give away the trees (the trees were farmstead trees/woodland bordering trees). A local timber buyer had zero interest - even in just giving them away - nor did anyone want them for wood burning. We did end up giving some chunks of the logs away to friends though who wanted some for woodworking. While I like Black Walnuts in general, I do not like them in a yard setting as a selection of other plants are not tolerant of the junglone (basically a natural herbicide of the BW) produced from the seeds, roots, and leaves. Good luck!

  • Janet Archer
    12 years ago

    We live in LaPorte, Indiana. We have several black walnut trees that we're curious about having cut down & selling the timber. Who can we contact within our vicinity to get someone to come over & quote us some prices?

  • Tom Frye
    12 years ago

    I live 50 miles north of NY on Westchester/Putnam Valley line. Have almost 100 year or so Black Walnut Tree which I have to sell. Tried gun manufacturers but they don't do that anymore. Any suggestions. Help!

  • Jon Livingston
    12 years ago

    To harvest Black Walnuts I would recommend looking at Bag-A-Nut's website. They have specific products for harvesting Black Walnuts - and keeping your hands from getting stained :)

    Here is a link that might be useful: Bag-A-Nut's Family of Black Walnut Harvesters

  • pamela2377
    12 years ago

    I purchased a house three years ago withwhatI thought was a wonderful back yard and patio with the central focus of a walnut tree. This tree had proved to be the something that is actually beyond me in terms that I cannot sit outside or have my grandchildren over because they could could be killed by the bombs that fall. The squirrel population has increased which I enjoy at time but I cannot feed the birds and them. I cannot enjoy this backyard and want to move. I am actually going to call a tree man I know to ask him if hexan come in the spring and cut off the walnut buds. Has anyone out there ever had this problem? And what has been your solution? I am desperate. And I thank you.

  • terrycalhoun
    9 years ago

    The screen of my first iPad was cracked by a falling black walnut.

  • albert_135   39.17°N 119.76°W 4695ft.
    7 years ago

    On the bulletin board at Savemart this morning someone was offering black walnut firewood $500/cord. My first thought, upon reading this thread was that the wood should have considerable value.

  • Petros Sagkos
    7 years ago

    Hi, we have made a thorough research concerning Black walnut grown for timber or nuts. You can read it here.

  • Craig Strong
    3 years ago

    I just realized I have black walnut trees behind my property, we get some scorching sun in the summer but these trees provide a lot of protection. We back on to a steep hill, then a creek and after that a railway track. To prevent the impact of the noise from freight trains there might have been a man made slope put in. That would make sense because the trees are still growing and the homes are less than 25 years old. I grew up in the area and don’t remember the slope, but do remember the railway and creek.

    I’d say the trees are 30-40 feet high, but there are some in the area that are double that size, and squirrels love the area...

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