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when to start my seedlings

Posted by autodidact Denver (My Page) on
Thu, Feb 21, 08 at 11:04

So I went to the Garden center and bought some seeds: a few perennials, herbs and some veggies for patio containers. Got my sunny window and everything I need to start them. I live in Denver, zone 5 (or so they tell me). When should I start them?


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Hi, Autodidact!

According to the Farmer's Almanac, Denver's last frost date is May 3. To use the chart on the link below, just count backwards from that date. This chart is for vegggies, but their website also has one for herbs:
http://www.almanac.com/garden/herbs/growingherbs.php

On the perennials, the flower packets should say when to plant in relation to your last frost date, or you could chose to winter sow them outdoors. Check out the Winter Sowing Forum and click on FAQ's to learn more, or check out the Wintersown.org website for more info.

Hope this helps,
Bonnie

Here is a link that might be useful: Vegetable growing guide


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  • Posted by yago z5 CO (My Page) on
    Thu, Feb 21, 08 at 11:36

I usually do mine 8 weeks before Mother's Day or whatever the predicted "last frost date" is. If you have plants with long germination times then you can adjust the date back to accomodate that.

~Yago


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I can't give you Denver-specific information but here's the best online information that I know about for starting seed indoors.

Today, I will start seed for the first time this year - snapdragons and pansies. Next week, it will be peppers, cabbage, broccoli, and onions. I will, however, save half the seed in each packet and plant every variety again 7 to 10 days later than the first sowing. That second sowing is insurance that I may be jumping the gun.

There doesn't seem to be much info on the website regarding herbs. My experience is that they are generally tiny seeds and take quite a long time to grow to be good size plants.

Have fun!!

digitS'


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I'm with yago, I would use Mother's Day as the guide and give yourself 6-8 weeks prior to that. There are rare years you can get them out earlier, like last year, but they are flukes. I will be starting my tomatoes in the second or third week of March. The peppers will be started in the next week because they are slow at germinating. And while they start early, they probably won't go in the containers until closer to Memorial Day.

Don't get over anxious, then you have to keep the lights on longer and the plants get bigger and more cumbersome to handle before you can get them out.

Good luck.


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If you use a heat mat and dome to germinate the seeds, take off 10 days.

Except for doing stuff like artichokes, which I now have at least a dozen up, and the shallots from seed are thick as hair (I thought I'd throw that in to make everyone envious).


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My peppers are already starting to get their first set of true leaves :) I'll probably start tomatoes in 2 or 3 of weeks.

--->Rob


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David...I just bought some artichoke seeds. Very surprised to see them available and couldn't resist. I remember you asking about them last summer, but didn't read a follow up as to whether you had planted any. Are these the one's you are trying?

Planted 3 gal plants in NM and they shot up a good 2' each year with a half dozen heads (average size) on each plant. Haven't seen them as plants here. Will be interesting if they do well in CO. Do you know if these are unique for our area? Anything special that you did in planting the seed?

Another plant in NM I tried was Kiwi. They were vines and wasn't around long enough to see fruiting. Wonder if this is also possible. The link below states Salt Lake has grown them well and are available from Lazy S's Farm. May take a chance on a couple as they need to be planted male/female.

Here is a link that might be useful: Kiwi vines


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I start peppers in January, also time to start onions from seed and leeks. I usually start tomatoes the 3rd week of March. Some flowers take longer that others to get to a good size like wave petunias.


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I tried a couple Imperial Star artichokes plants last year, I bought them at a nursery. I set them out in early June, and each plant gave me 3 egg sized heads. They tasted like no other artichoke I've ever had, just by being fresh from the garden. From what I've gathered info wise, the seeds need to be planted about now, and seedlings transferred to 4" pots and set out about a month before the last frost date. They are kinda-sorta related to thistle, so they don't mind temps in the mid-20's. They also need pretty rich, composty soil. With artichoke heads in the store now $4 a piece, I figured it would be worth a gamble. I now have 20 odd plants up, and I'll repot them in a week or so.

I've wondered about that kiwi as well. It might be worth a try.

Margaretmontana, about 8 years ago, at the end of the season, I had a hanging basket with a wave petunia that I brought into the greenhouse and hung by the south window. Under it were some empty trays full of soil, and seeds from the plant fell, and eventually germinated. I had all these different off-shoots of the wave petunia, some with small flowers, some with huge ones, some didn't even flower. I grew out a couple of the really good ones, and ended up with a petunia that has huge 4" magenta blooms and the wave habit, so it grows to at least 5 feet in diameter. Makes for spectacular hanging baskets. I propagated by cuttings for all those 8 years, but this year, I let the thing dry out and die. I am annoyed with myself. I've got the hanging baskets from last year, we run a line of a dozen or so of them down the walkway between the back door and the greenhouse. I sure hope some seeds come up.


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I'm in extreme SW KS on the OK and CO borders and I will start peppers the first week of March and then stagger tomatoes from Mid March till April 1st. I have started too early in the past and also the last two years have had later than average frosts. Our date is April 16th but on the 28th two years ago and either May 1st or 2nd last year. Like Jali said if you start too early you can get caught with having to pot up again or extremely big rootbound plants. This is just my experience. Also Jali haven't seen you around in a while. How did your season end last year? From mid August till Oct. 10th was the best I have ever had. Chapman and KB were two of my tops. Jay


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David...thanks for the heads up on the artichokes. Weather is good right now to get outside. Am going to try the milk bottles as there is no room in the "Inn".


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Hi, Jay. KB did well for me but only because I got them out so early in the season. Don't think I'd be that lucky every year. Neves Azorean Red was a real winner for me and within the growing timeframe. One from Australia that ought to do well given the aridity - Rainy's Maltese, one from the German seed bank that comes in around 75dtm, an F5 Early Girl, Tschonrni at 65 dtm, yellow submarine cherry, black yum yum from BC via, MS.

Course it all depends on whether I get moved or not. I might have tomatoes this season or I might not, but I'll start them and give them away if I get the house sold and can get out of here.


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O.K. I get to start my peppers now. Fun. I have one mild and one hot, aiming for pots on the patio.

I plan to try two lettuces in a whiskey barrel. Anyone ever do this? Sow directly, or start seedlings?


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Hmmm... I haven't done this before and I just finished reading all my seed packets and making myself a calendar for when to start my seedlings. The only ones that I've done so far are strawberries.

My pepper seeds say to start "6-8 weeks before the last spring frost" which I was thinking meant late March since my neighbors use Mother's Day for last frost day. Am I being too conservative?

Also, I want to plant sunflowers since I had a gorgeous one come up as a volunteer last year, and I was thinking of starting some indoors as well since the bloom time is pretty late. Any advice on when would be a good time? (The sunflower seed packets aren't as informative as the veggie seeds.)
Volunteer Sunflower Summer 2007

-Francesca


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Francesca -- I'm not sure on prestarting sunflowers. In my experiance they are touchy and I was better off starting them where they were to grow.

Emagineer and David52 -- thanks for the artichoke info. I have been procrastinating on planting them, but you have inspired me. I guess I will start them tonight. Anyone try asparagus from seed, that is my other experiment this year (yeah right, only one more, who am I trying to kid?)

Just an FYI. I started my tomoatoes last year around this time and I did transplant them twice, to 4" and 1 gal, but they were big and strong enough that they survived two good hailstorms and produced about 20 pounds of fruit on about 15 very small, less that 2' plants.
Also anyone ever try starting Butterfly Bush from seed? If I can get them started, I will have some to trade in May.

Billie


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Francesca, I used to start peppers at the same time as tomatoes. The contrast in growth was rather startling! I think they need warm growing conditions. Everything is generally quite cool most of the time and I'm not going to bump up the heat in the greenhouse just for the peppers and a few other things. But heck, I sometimes transplanted pepper plants outdoors that were only 4 inches high! Starting them early seems to give them enuf time to grow some but if you have indoor growing temperatures where they won't fall below, say, 68°F overnight - you won't need to give them as much time as I do.

8 weeks before Mothers Day - - would be the 16th of March (if I counted right). Of course, they cannot be set out until about 2 weeks after the last frost.

By way of contrast, sunflowers only need about 3 weeks to grow indoors. And, they can go out while it's still fairly chilly.

As Billie says, sunflowers are touchy and with such a few weeks indoors, there's limited advantage in the practice. They do seem to appreciate the higher indoor germinating temps, however. What has worked is daily watering once their roots have been disturbed with transplanting. That's a very pretty flower in the picture!

No experience with either asparagus or butterfly bushes here, Billie.

digitS'


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I've never done it, Billie, but here's the germination info from the Tom Clothier site. Sounds like they'd be great candidates for winter sowing. I probably wouldn't mess with sand and would just use plain old store bought potting mix!

Asclepias exaltata , incarnata, and tuberosa, Sow at -4 to +4ºC (24-39ºF) for 4 wks in moistened sand, move to 20ºC (68ºF) for germination

Skybird


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Thanks Skybird. I will let you know how they do.

Billie


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Thanks for the advice on the sunflowers. I'll plant most of them directly and just try a few plants indoors.

My seedling beds are on a large shelf under a south-facing window in the guest room, which gets down to about 60°F at night, so I guess I'll start the peppers a little early.

I have some asparagus seed as well... Definitely overcommitting myself for my first year, but since asparagus takes three years to get going I thought I'd better start early. Maybe I'll try winter sowing some of that, although I'll need to look for a sheltered space outside that my toddler won't upset the trays. (The snapdragons I started earlier got well-shaken yesterday.)


 
 

 

 


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