So does this mean the Edmunds Firefighter should be shown as Hacienda?

Because the Williams 'Firefighter' has been listed in the Combined Rose List, the ARS registration committee decided to give the AEN to the Williams 'Firefighter' and gave the AEN of 'Hacienda' to ORAdal.

In the 2005 Handbook, the listing says 'See Hacienda'. So, I would recommend that you exhibit it under 'Hacienda' -- just to be safe.

My complaint is that ARS is giving precedence to an obscure rose that has not - and probably never will be - officially registered with the ARS. Their reasoning is that the major rose growers really don't care what their roses are shown under so it makes no difference. ARS tells us that rose exhibitors make up a very tiny portion of their business. But consider this -- since rose shows are held in public, thousands of average gardeners visit these shows with pen and pencils in hand and make copious lists. These lists are then taken to their nearest garden centers where (using the Firefighter example) will be asking the question --- 'Do you have or know where I can get a rose called 'Hacienda'? The average nurseryperson would be hard pressed to devine this information for their customers. Been there --- done that!

The answer to your question as far as I can tell, is no.

“Hacienda” (ORAdal) and “Firefighter “(ORAdal) is one and the same rose. The code name is the name that should be attached to the rose no matter what other name it is sold under worldwide.

“Hacienda” (ORAdal) was introduced 2000 and probley registered by Orard with the Rome Registration Center, but not with the International Registration Center for Roses (RIAR).

Orard Pierre registered on 1-8-2004 “Hacienda” (ORAdal) with IRAR under the Approved Exhibition Name (AEN) of “Firefighter”. This is the name that must be used to exhibit the rose.

In the 2004 Handbook “Hacienda” is nor listed. It is listed in the 2005 publication even thought it is not in commerce in North America. What is in commerce and sold in North America is “Firefighter” (ORAdal).

Edmunds catalogue may have been printed prior to “Firefighter” IRAR registration. I hope this will help you.

Ron S.