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Unknown Roses (5) with link

Posted by aliska12000 5a (My Page) on
Thu, May 1, 08 at 19:59

I've asked about a couple of these before but no one was sure. They are all once bloomers.

I put them on an html page because of load time for 5 pics.

The first one I have rooted and is growing happily in the back yard, suckers, have a lot more photos of foliage, but didn't want to try to another. Someone thinks it is some type of china because of the reddishness of the suckers it put out. Also it was suggested it might be some kind of moss rose, don't think it is quite big enough to be a climber but rambler. That one I think I may have saved because the parent plant looks like it is gone now.

The second white one I got two rooted over the winter. It is so much like Madame Plantier or whatever that one is at HMF except the buds do not have pink tips before they open. One photo shows a definite green eye, but not all have that. Pics both at Jackson Perkins and HMF for Madame show pink buds that open to white. That one is almost a climber but not quite, could possibly be trained and grow 6'.

The third one I got two rooted, planted out last year, haven't bloomed yet, didn't site them as well as I'd like. The bush I got the cuttings from was so large the blossoms were laying on the ground, but it has been cut back and suffering severely from neglect now.

The fourth one is so odd, one person thought it was Cardinal Richelieu, but I don't know. Finally got one to root over the winter. The bush is enormous I got the cutting(s) from, either a very large rambler or 6-7' climber. It could be rootstock perhaps.

The fifth one I have not attempted to propagate. Before they pruned it last year, it was a shrub as huge and with the form of a lilac bush, don't know whether to bother trying to propagate it or not, have no room for many more. There are others I failed with that I'd rather have another shot at than this one although it is pretty.

Here is a link that might be useful: Five Unknown Roses

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RE: Unknown Roses (5) with link

The 4th could be Cardinal de Richelieu, but I would need to see a fresh bloom. Fresh blooms are grape popsicle purple with a white center. CdR can easily be 6' - 7' here, I have to peg mine. It doesn't look like any familiar rootstock.

RE: Unknown Roses (5) with link

I think folks on the Antique Roses forum might have some ideas, and suggest you post your photo link over there as well:

Here is a link that might be useful: Antique Roses

RE: Unknown Roses (5) with link

diane, this one has a yellow center. I tacked together 3 photos I took in 2003, I never manage to get there when they just start blooming, and it's up high on a rubble terrace and kind of dangerous to try to climb up there to find better samples. All these roses are untended and get untidy, don't know if you should deadhead the once bloomers or not.

After I posted, I remembered something that came up possibly de la Grifferaie (sp?). I'll check those out again on HMF.

to the poster about the antique forum, I've already pestered them on these but may post a link to the post on this forum later.

Thanks for your responses.

Here is a link that might be useful: 4th Rose

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