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Rosa woodsii var. fendleri ?

Hi,

I know it can be very difficult (well, at least for me ;-) to identify a species but I thought I'd give it a try.

This one was sent to me last year by an arboretum, it's blooming now in my climate, the flowers don't last very long and are not fragrant, the leaves count 9 leaflets. One last thing, the color of the flowers is more "straight" pink in real (sometimes camera are unable to catch the very true color of a plant).

Someone suggested me Rosa woodsii var. fendleri, a Google Image search seemed to match but one can never be sure. Can you confirm this identification or suggest me another name ?

Thanks in advance and please excuse my approximate English,

Olivier.

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Comments (6)

  • Ron_B
    18 years ago

    Look at descriptions in manuals. Species are recognized using anatomical details.

  • Olivier_NorthFrance
    Original Author
    18 years ago

    Thanks Ron. The problem is I don't have many books about roses (actually, I haven't got any) but I'll do some more internet searches.

    Olivier.

  • northspruce
    18 years ago

    Hi Olivier,

    Does your rose produce fruits? Does it have any scent? Is it a large plant?

    In Trevor Griffith's book, "My World of Old Roses", he describes many species roses. Here's what he says about Woodsii Fendleri: "1888 - A North American species with single fragrant flowers about 40mm across which are lilac-pink in colour with golden-yellow stamens. Fruit are bright red and 12mm long, hang in clusters and last well into the autumn. Not many prickles and has attractive greyish-green fern-like foliage. An attractive and useful plant for any garden. Height up to 2 metres."

    There is a picture in the book of the plant with very round, shiny, bright red fruits on it.

    This description certainly does not rule out your rose from the picture you posted. I would call that lilac-pink. I can't tell you definitely though.

    By the way, your English is not approximate, it is perfect!

  • sgsmith318
    18 years ago

    I have two woodsii roses but not sure of any variety. Here is a close up pic of one bloom. They are very small flowers, but the bushes are big, 5 x 6 or so, and vase shaped, arching shrubs. The foliage and the bushes have an overall reddish cast from a distance.

    Stef

    Here is a link that might be useful: one of my woodsii's

  • Olivier_NorthFrance
    Original Author
    18 years ago

    Thanks for your additional help ;-)

    Just went to have a look at the plant and it does has fruits, currently looking like tiny green tomatoes (very tiny, a few millimeters). As I wrote in my first post, the flowers aren't particularly fragrant - and I'm afraid don't quite match with Sgsmith's picture.

    The shrub is still very young (a small specimen that I planted last year) but grows prettty fast : it's about 1.50 m/5' at the time beeing. Long strait shoots, not very thorny/prickly.

    Guess I'll have to wait and see how the plant matures - arching habit or not, color of the fruits in fall/autumn...

    I think it should be Rosa woodsii but probably not var. fendleri. Maybe another variety such as ultramontana.

    Thanks again for your help and kindness,
    Olivier.

  • Ron_B
    18 years ago

    Since it's a wild species pinkness of flowers will vary, as will size of parts (within a given range). Descriptions of wild species in gardening books that talk about the flowers being a certain color or shade of a color, the parts being one size aren't good for much.