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Posted by voodoobrew 9 Bay Area, CA (My Page) on Fri, Sep 18, 09 at 19:44
| salvia adenophora: I saw this plant on eBay... is it a real cultivar, or just another name for for some other variety? |
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| It is a real species, quite new to the trade. It is from Columbia, a vigorous grower and late bloomer. |
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| I tried growing adenophora this year. I purchased the plant last fall and overwintered it in my house. It bloomed a few times during the winter. In late winter I started several cuttings and in May planted them all outside. None of them have any flowers buds yet so I won't be getting any flowers from them before we get a frost so they obvsiouly do bloom late. The flowers are beautiful but I guess I'll have to move south if I want to be able to enjoy them outside. |
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| Is the name OK? Adenophora is another genus so shouldn't be used as a species name - but even though it's new to cultivation, maybe it was named before this rule came in. Does it have any other names? |
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| OK, how about salvia fulgens? Is there *any* source for buying this in the USA?? It's not even on eBay, LOL. |
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| It is closely related to Salvia amethystina, also from Columbia. Although I have buds on my S. madrensis, there are none yet on my S. adenophora. It is permitted to use a name for a species that is already in use for a genus, as far as I know. |
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| Not by RHS rules in Britain, but don't know how far their tentacles extend....! |
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| Oh my GOD, I need help, LOL. I went to a botanical garden today that had loads of "rare" (at least in the trade) salvias, ALL blooming, except for S. gesneriiflora (is California crazy, or what?). It was all I could do to resist not taking cuttings, seeds... Some of them, I had never even heard of before. S. evansiana, anyone? The "Jean's Purple Passion" was literally a tree. There were hummingbirds all over the place. I don't know how the GW folks in the U.K. can love salvias without their accompanying hummers! :) Seems they co-evolved together! Well, it was a good day, and I still have a lot to learn. |
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| Rich, Salvia adenophora is actually from Oaxaca in Mexico, not Colombia. Also note the spelling of COLOMBIA, it is not COLUMBIA...we don't want people to think that Salvias are found in the wild in north-west Canada! Salvia hydrangea is another species with a name of another genus. Salvia evansiana is a Chinese species, which frequently gets muddled with other Chinese species. My 'Jean's Purple Passion' is almost a tree, as are S. regla, S. concolor, S.'Costa Rican Blue' and S. cuspidata subsp. gilliesii. We don't have hummers, but I have seen the hummingbird hawk-moth several times. |
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| Sorry about that. I got Salvia ampelophylla (from Colombia) confused with S. adenophora. The latter has flowers that are supposed to be about half as long as S. disjuncta, another species related to S. gesneriflora. The S. disjuncta from Strybing (now the San Francisco Botanical Garden)and S. leucantha x Phyllis Fancy are both reliably hardy in North Carolina. Now I will have to find out if the S. disjuncta from Logees Greenhouses is also hardy. Robin, how hardy are your tree-like sages? For us in North Carolina, S. regla from Jame, Coahuila dies back each year and does not get to develop a sizable caliper. The parent tree that I collected the seed from was around 30 feet tall, and had a diameter of around 4-5 inches. |
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| Regla, cuspidata subsp. gilliesii, and concolor are all hardy here, the 1st two being deciduous. 'Jean's Purple Passion' and 'Costa Rican Blue' are a bit dodgy. All other guaraniticas are pretty hardy where I live, the tenderness and late-flowering of 'Costa Rican Blue' does indicate that it could be a hybrid. Disjuncta is not hardy with me, but as it is winter-flowering, I keep it in a pot, under glass in winter. Phyllis Fancy is more or less hardy. Adenophora has smallish flowers, but millions of them on very long, sprawling stems. Quite a beauty. |
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| Would disjuncta also be winter flowering in California? If so, I need to find it. I'm starting to get nervous that I won't have enough hummingbird food this winter (Anna's hummers will stay, if there is food). I really don't want to buckle and get a feeder! I've always liked salvias, but now I have become somewhat "obsessed" after watching all the hummers in my garden. Can you guys recommend other winter blooming salvias [CA "winter", specifically]? My list thus far (from scouring the internet) is : dorisiana
gesneriiflora
iodantha
semiatrata
involucrata
madrensis
karwinskii
Waverly Please correct it if wrong, and feel free to add to it. "Unusual" is great, as long as I can buy it! I do order plants online, as local nurseries don't tend to carry what I am looking for. Annie's is all out, and I missed the UCB (my alma mater :) Botanical Garden fall sale, argh. There are a couple more Strybing sales coming up; unfortunately the Cabrillo salvia sale isn't until spring. thank you! |
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| Salvia Melissodora blooms till frost here in Texas. |
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You may want to add ,purpurea, microphylla and
greggii,coccinea,rutilans bloom here if protected from freezes.
Art |
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| I had one S chiquita that bloomed through winter last year. |
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| OK, I have just acquired only several seeds each of both S. disjuncta and S. indica. Any special tips i should know to germinate these? Also, should I wait until spring? |
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| I'd wait until spring. You will need warmth for these to prosper as small seedlings. |
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| Voodoobrew, my S. curviflora has a lot of flowers in fall, into winter, Southern California |
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| Thanks for the tips, everyone. Whitechampaca, S. curviflora was a tough one to find! I just bought some seeds for it, along with seeds for S. muirii and S. lavanduloides. Yesterday I bought a S. Frieda Dixon (elegans x ?) plant at a college sale, and I really love it! I have decided that I need more pink in my garden. :) They had a salvia in their gardens which looked similar to "Stephanie" on Robin's site. Is there another that looks like this? It looked like a S. greggii; flowers were cream on bottom, purple/pink on top. very nice! I bought another plant that they weren't sure what it was... tag says "S. mexicana x gesneriflora ??". I think it may be a Purple Majesty. |
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| "S. mexicana x gesneriflora" should be Raspberry Truffle, ans will look like S. gesneriflora, but bloom earlier with a black raspberry colored flower. It is Andy Maycen's hybrid S. Frieda Dixon is a sport of the common elegans. |
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| This flower is not raspberry colored; it's a blue-purple (with darker calyces). The foliage is somewhat lime-green. Does anyone know the parentage of S. Marwin Gardens? see link |
Here is a link that might be useful: photo
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| S. Marwin Gardens looks a lot like S. karwinskii. Marwin Gardens is in the same general area as Cabrillo and Sierra Azul and Suncrest Nurseries in Watsonville. Not much on this sage on Google. |
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| Yes, the only thing that I found was that Sandi's garden is called "Marwin Gardens"... and that you guys took a tour of it at a recent Cabrillo Summit. So, how does one go about getting invited to the Cabrillo Summit? :) |
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| The folks at Cabrillo are going to have to do more with a lot less, since they are state funded. Don't expect another Salvia Summit in the near future unless some other institution can step in with funding to assist Cabrillo. |
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| That is too bad about Cabrillo. :( Well, my mystery salvia from Merritt College is setting seed, so now I really do not know what it is. It looks just like Purple Majesty or Jean's Purple Passion, but those are supposedly sterile. |
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