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Posted by LisaZone6_MA z6 MA (My Page) on Thu, Mar 27, 03 at 15:37
| I'm placing this in a few different forums hoping I get some responses. I very ignorantly planted some of this in my back shade bed about 5 years ago. It's called houteyniia or something like that - I know I butchered the spelling. It didn't do anything for the first year, but the year before last it exploded and has swallowed everything in sight. I pulled up some of it last year, but didn't do a great job - I know there's a ton of it lurking underground ready to pop up this year. I am putting in an above-ground pool and a retaining wall is going to have to be built behind the pool because of the change in grade. My question is this - the guy wants to dump all the dirt from the excavated area behind the new wall, which will in effect, bury the area the chameleon plant is under 2 or 3 feet of soil. Will it be able to come up through this or will it be killed by placing all this extra dirt on top? I will dig up the few Hosta, Bleeding Hearts, Corydalis, etc. I have back there and am hoping I can replant these once all the excavating is done and the soil is amended. I don't want to have the same problem tho. I'd rather dig it up now rather than wait and have it come back in an even larger area a couple of years from now. TIA! |
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| No, invasive plants won't come up through 2 or 3 feet of soil. But if the pile of soil is going to just be left as a pile for a while, the houttuynia will come up around the thin edges of the pile. Hope this helps - I don't really understand the details of the construction you're having done, so not sure if this answers your question. |
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| Oh, just thought of other things...will the plant be permanently under 2 to 3 feet of soil, or is that just a temporary place for the soil? Roots can remain viable for many, many months, and if the soil is later removed, may grow up again. |
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| No - it will be there permanently. The guy is going to be building a low retaining wall directly in front of where the chameleon plant is, then he'll dump the excavated soil behind the wall and ontop of the area where the plant is growing. |
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| Having done the same thing with the same plant with the same (invasive) result, I can certainly sympathize! I started trying to dig up all the roots three years ago, and it is STILL coming back! I even resorted to spraying it with brush killer which only succeeded in wilting it a bit before it came back more vigorously than ever. Trust me, this plant is TOUGH! I don't know about 2-3 feet underground, but I know I have dug deeper than 18" and I still find roots. If you really want to get rid of the stuff, I would suggest you do everything possible before the area is dug up, and even so, watch out for new sprouts after the dirt is moved. It's a shame that such a lovely plant has to have such nasty habits. |
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| Sigh...yet another invasive plant that won't grow for me. I'll just add it to the list of lily of the valley, bishop's weed, japanese anemone, globe thistle, yellow archangel... :)
Dee |
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| Dee, you are not alone. I have bishop weed in my garden and I am happy to get small patches here and there after 8 years or more. What are we doing we cannot get invasive plants to grow? Lily of the valley tried 4 times..dead, Chameleon Plant dead, it tried--struggled for 2 ys bye, bye, japanese anemone died on contact with my soil. OH Well..LOL!! |
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| Well, Marquest, I'm glad to know it's not me! Or if it IS me, at least I'm not the only one, lol! :)
Dee |
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| I'm not above using Roundup 2 or 3 x's strength. Also, I have never tried this, but it seems a reasonable approach...Cover the plants you want to exterinate with black plastic and secure with rocks, stakes, etc. Leave in place in the hot sun for a few weeks and this should sterilize the soil.....so I've been told. -Roundup is not as environmentally acceptable maybe, but it is faster! -Enjoy that pool! |
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| This is the first plant that I have ever detested!!! I would have the dirt hauled off before I would ever knowingly use it any where else!!! The thought of what lies below would spook me!! I have used triple strength Roundup and the Chameleon just laughs as it continues to multiply and invade!!!!!!!!!!!!! See Me At 5am |
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| I have to laugh at this, see me at 5am. NOt at you, but at the fact that I just responded to your post about japanese anemones on the bulb forum. In my post, I wrote that I have problems with plants that other people find invasive, such as bishop's weed. Well, wouldn't you know that this chameleon plant is another one that I can't get to grow, lol? Hmm, maybe I'm just lucky... :)
Dee |
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| Just wanted to re-post and let anyone who's interested know that the chameleon plant is completely gone. My secret? A backhoe! The excavation had to be much deeper than anticipated and the wall ended up at ground level from the back where the chameleon plant was located. The whole back area had to be scraped down by a backhoe and that took out all the chameleon plant - YES!!! I will definitely believe it now when something is listed as invasive, aggressive, or a thug!!! |
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So very glad to hear the good news! My problem is I made the HUGE mistake of planting it prominantley along side my front porch!
So your "secret" would not work so well for me. I will continue to dig and hold my nose (I think it smells horrindous) for maybe the rest of my life. Is that a bit dramatic?? See Me At 5am |
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| Oh, NO! I loved this plant when I saw it at the nursey, and have planted 2 5 gallon-sized ones in my front, only, shade bed. It sounds like I'm going to dig it out and move it out next to the trees along the embankment at the road side. Shoot! I loved the colors. But then, if it spreads, it's perfect for the side of this country road, isn't it? Do you think it will choke out my nemisis? Poison ivy? I'm so glad I read this, considering I just planted it 2 weeks ago or so. What I'd do without this forum? Havoc in nature... Thank YOU!
Christine |
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I got some leaves from this plant last year from a friend and have been looking everywhere to purchase one, since my friend moved to FL. I do pressed flowers and this leaf is magnificent!
Anyone have some they want to pass along? |
Here is a link that might be useful: My photos
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| I am so upset!! I just bought 8 Chameleon plants!! Planted them around one of my trees. PLEASE don't tell me its invasive!!! Should I pull it out now? |
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If you keep it dry, it's not THAT bad! Mine has only
spread slowly over three years, and I'm about to put some
in the deeper shade under the pine tree. Did you know that this plant can be potted up in gravel,
and submerged in water? I dug some up, potted it in a
shallow container with pea gravel and plopped it in the
middle of my birdbath. Looks great!! |
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| I love bishops weed and chameleon too |
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| Can it be contained with a barrier? I have a 30 sq' patch of it on a sunny bank where it looks wonderful, but I want it to stay put. What if I sink 12" high aluminum sheeting into the soil? Will that keep it in check or will it just go under? |
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I HATE this plant,I hate the colour, the smell and the invasiveness of it.I made the biggest mistake of my gardening life when I introduced this into my garden.Last year I had to dig out a huge rock garden,to try to get rid of it,it is a nightmare,and the little shoots are still appearing. I am trying roundup this year to eradicate
the remnants of this monster. Now variagated bishop weed, whilst a monster in it's own right is just perfect in a shady spot in my garden,I really like this one, so far no problems after 6 years.I must be one of the lucky ones. |
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Am getting ready to plant some and was doing a search to see the best places to put it, now I guess it really doesn't matter as it sounds like it is gonna grow everywhere!! lol, I like the color of it and have a really shady area way out in the back yard that I think is gonna be the best place for it..., I usually don't water stuff out there too much and only use plants that are gonna be really tough and resilient, think it will do alright?
Katbird |
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| I think houttynnia is lovely and I like the smell. It is not invasive here. Isn't that weird? Please don't kill it. I will pay postage if you will send it to me. There aren't that many shade ground covers for my climate. Thanks. |
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| Oh, groan...I spotted this plant at an outdoor garden center that I had never been to. I loved the richness of the color, but the garden clerk just shrugged when I asked what he could tell me about it. So I thought I'd take a chance. I noticed it had started to spread so came to this site to find out what I could learn. Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy...looks like I'm going to go pull it up before it walks up to my back door and rings the bell. Oh, and my Bishop's Weed is going wild this year, too. I've been able to contain it pretty well up until now, but it certainly does have a mind of its own. |
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| HELP!!!!!!!! I WANT THIS PLANT DIED. HOW DO I KILL IT! I HAVE TRIED EVERYTHING. ROUND UP POSION,IVY KILLER, DIGGING IT UP. I HAVE TAKEN ALL MY PLANTS OUT OF MY FRONT BED. OTHER THAN DIGGING OUT ALL THE DIRT AND GETTING NEW. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY IDEAS? PLEASE |
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| I have the same problem with the chameleon plant. I've tried round up, round up for poisen ivy, digging it up and also burying it under layers of newspaper, grass clippings and leaves covered with a tarp for the entire fall and winter. Every year I try a different approach. So far I'm managing to kill plants I love that surround it but now have gorgeous soil for it to thrive in. I'd love some new ideas for Indiana. |
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| It makes me want to cry when I see this and other invasives sold year in and year out at "nurseries". Shame on them for selling such plants to innocent shoppers. I guess this plant does have its uses (but I am hard pressed to think of any). I was one of the gullible many years ago and added this to my periennial garden. It was a neat plant for about three years and I loved the leaf color varigation it added to the garden. Then about the fourth year it started over taking the bed and squeezing out other plants. I am not a fan of herbicides, so I dug up as much as I could. This was about 5 years ago. I will still get an odd stem every now and then. As soon as I see, I pull and try to get as much root as possible. So far in 2006 - I have yet to see any. So crossing fingers. It has made me a smarter shopper when buying plants. If I see something interesting and am not familiar, I will go home and read first before purchasing. You have my sympathy! |
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| Would this plant work in a pot? I haven't heard of it before this forum, so I searched for photos and I can see why so many people have unknowingly purchased it - it is beautiful to look at. Perhaps I could use it as a house plant? |
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| I almost bought some of this about a month ago and then found out it was invasive. So glad I dodged that bullet. I have lily of the valley and if this is half as bad as that I feel for you. I don't know what to do with my lov, I need it but would like to contain it. In the last three years it has tripled in size. Kim |
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| I too loved it at first (and I like the smell too). It effectively kept dandelions out of the triangular area where I have 3 mini-dwarf fruit trees, looks pretty with all its colors, and is no work at all to clean up in spring (the leaves just disintegrate during the winter.) BUT - now that it had taken off like a rocket (it reaches over two feet tall each summer because it's planted where there is an and through the three low stone walls surrounding the area where it was originally planted as a colorful ground cover, spreading into the grass and into our raised bed garden area) - I would do anything to get rid of it. Yesterday my son and I worked to clear a very small area (about 2 X 2 feet square) and we filled half a large grabage can with the root and root pieces from that small area alone. There's a trick to hand-removing the root so that you don't "pop" and break it (and leave even a tiny bit left to regenerate). You've got to get your hand down at least 18 inches and then "follow the root" (it's often multi-branched) and then try to tease it out all in one piece). But you're bound to find little tiny pieces of root less than an inch long that, if left behind in the soil, can become full scale plant systems. It reminds me of the Sorcerer's Apprentice. Try to kill it or yank it out and it just keeps coming back stronger and stronger like a recurring nightmare. |
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| i had gppd luck spraying the edges of the invasive species with a 50/30/20 mixture of roundup, bleach, and water |
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| The chameleon plant was just passed on to me by a friend. She warned me against it's invasiveness. I'm putting it in the ground, however, I am keeping it in a pot once in the ground to keep it from spreading. I made a similar mistake and introduced something very invasive to my community---bamboo grass. It jumps beneath sidewalks. It's out of control. |
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| It jumps beneath sidewalks. But you think your houttuynia will be contained by a pot? Pots and sidewalks are not enough to keep plants like these in bounds. |
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