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A comparison of two tomatoes

queuetue
15 years ago

This year, I got two 5 inch glacier tomato seedlings, identical in almost every way. One was planted at the intersection of 4 squares in a ed filled with mel's mix (4 types of compost including my own), and the other was planted in a 10 gallon planter, filled with a premade soilless mix from HD, with a fish emulsion drench. They were placed about 4 feet from each other.

Since then, we've had 50-degree days, 90-degree days, torrential downpours and dry stretches, massive winds, and a little hail. It's been a wild month.

Now, 3 weeks later, the one in the planter has put on a few inches, and looks like it's getting along ok. On the other hand, the one in the sfg is over 2 feet, and bushing out to fill most of the 4 feet it was given.

This isn't exactly a scientific test (IE, only 2 plants in the study, and too many variables) but it does, to me anyway, confirm just how effective SFG is.

BTW, to everyone who is concerned about raising plants like tomatoes in 6 inch beds, these have only about 4 inches of mel's mix in them. My other 10 tomatoes are doing fine in 4-5 inches. Of course, growing well doesn't mean good harvest, but nothing but aphids have given me any concern yet.

Comments (10)

  • lab12
    15 years ago

    Wow! That's incredible! Do both plants receive the same sun?

  • queuetue
    Original Author
    15 years ago

    Yup, they're about 4 feet from each other.

  • queuetue
    Original Author
    15 years ago

    Just to push the point a little further, that same 4 square feet also has 30 beets and 28 radishes competing in it, all ready to come out of the ground in a few more weeks.

  • tennandy
    15 years ago

    I don't get the comparison because you used 2 totaly different growing mediums.

  • queuetue
    Original Author
    15 years ago

    you used 2 totaly different growing mediums

    Yup - and 2 totally different growing protocols. The comparison is between the presumably genetically similar tomato plants - one grown in a fairly commonly accepted method (well-draining container with fertilizer), and the other in SFG.

    I mentioned it wasn't a scientific test, just an indication that 4 inches of mel's mix seems to do just as well (in fact, better here) as 14" of "pro mix", which is probably better than what the average veggie gardener is using.

  • sinfonian
    15 years ago

    That's amazing! I knew Mel's Mix was great, but this is good proof that it works well if not simply better than a premade mix.

    Here is a link that might be useful: Sinfonian's garden adventure!

  • gumby_ct
    15 years ago

    I grew some tomatoes in 5 gal. buckets a few yrs ago. My observations & conclusions were similar. Just my conclusion was that plants grown in the ground out performed those in pots.

    Now be honest - does your bed have a bottom to it?

    Gumby_CT

  • queuetue
    Original Author
    15 years ago

    It has barrier cloth and a layer of thick cardboard (new beds, this year on top of buttercups), so for all intents and purposes, yes, although it should rot away in a few years,. They do get to drain into the ground, but my "buckets" have good drainage, too. If I had to guess the biggest difference (besides growing medium), it might be thermal stability - being attached to the earth, there is a lot of thermal regulation that a pot doesn't get.

  • sinfonian
    15 years ago

    Odd about tomatoes grown in containers. My SWC tomatoes are kicking the snot out of my brother's in the ground. Can't be I'm the better gardener. He's grown tomatoes for over a decade and this is my first year.

    Here is a link that might be useful: Sinfonian's garden adventure!

  • korney19
    13 years ago

    Sorry, I know I'm late here, but this isn't a fair test comparison in any way, shape or form, except that you used the same tomato variety.

    Mel's mix by volume is about 33% compost, which acts as a fertilizer. Promix doesn't have that luxury, especially not with just a fish fertilizer drench, which by the way isn't a very good fertilizer to use for tomatoes. Not only are all NPK #s quite low compared to water soluble fertilizers, fish has very little in the way of P & K.

    How much fish fertilizer did you use? in how much water?
    What was the NPK #s of the fert?
    How often did you fertilize it?
    How often was the container watered? Daily? Twice a day?
    Were the roots allowed to get thru the bottom holes, into the ground where the nutrients got washed to? Chances are the storms & downpours washed out any of the little nutrients the fish provided, and if not, regular watering did too.

    What happened to the comparison test results? This thread ended in mid-June of that year. Any follow ups?

    I would guess that first, the hi-N ratio to lo P deterred the plant from setting many fruits, not to mention roots, and subsequent heavy downpours you had drained any nutrients, stunting the plant. The hi temps also may have dried the promix of necessary moisture which would have resulted in poor growth and production, and probably blossom end rot too, though maybe not as prevalent on a smaller fruited tomato variety.

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