Blowin' in The Wind

Julie

Trees are starting to bud here, and I saw some flowers blooming yesterday at the country. I worked all weekend catching up on jobs around here...sure wish I had time to pick some new tunes, but with the warm weather and days getting longer, well...

I didn't quite understand tablature until recently. It's simple, just never understood the numbers, but now, I can learn quickly, especially since I finger my strings and chords a bit differently than most others do.

Thanks for posting, Jule!!

Kt

Sounds like you just discovered something.

I just clicked on the link I provided in the original post, and decided it wasn't such a good site after all. I looked closely at how the chords were diagramed (when you hover over the letters with your mouse). Again, I have to be nit-picky. The correct number of strings to be strummed isn't shown. Open strings (those not fingered with the left hand, but still played) are not indicated. They should be shown with open circles above the bar that indicates the nut of the fingerboard. Strings NOT to be played should be marked with Xes. Finger numbers for the left hand should be placed behind the correct frets, rather than the Xes that were placed by whomever designed the site. I should have examined the chord diagrams better the first time!

Sorry! I may have led you astray by sharing that link. You'd be better off getting yourself a printed chord chart that you can keep handy while you learn new songs. I'll keep searching. If I find nothing that that I approve of, I may just draw them myself, scan the sheet, then post it here. (That's how nit-picky I am!)

Jule

Guitar chord chart

I may have shared this one with you a long time ago, don't know for sure. You can click on any chord in the blue bar, which brings up a whole set of chords starting with that particular letter. In the diagram, the thick black horizontal line at the top is the "nut" of the fingerboard (ask me to explain that further, if you don't know where it is.) Then of course the other horizontal lines are your frets. The right vertical line is your first (skinniest) string. The Xes indicated the strings that are not part of the chord, and shouldn't be strummed. The zeros above any string indicate open (not fingered) strings, that are strummed as part of the chord.

I feel like you already know most of what I'm jabbering about, but I get chatty when talking about technicalities with guitar playing, just like you do explaining photography.

Anyway, back to the chords - you can also hear how they sound by clicking on the "play" button to the right of the diagram, and match the sound with your own guitar (if it's in tune, that is)

Let me know if all that chatter made any sense!

Julie

And let me know if there's anything on the sheet that puzzles you.

Have fun!

Julie

Chord chart

The original image is 1.5 Mb, and VERY clear, but I downsized the file, so it would load faster. Let me know how your copy turns out (if you should decide to print it, that is). If it's hard to read, please let me know. I can provide a better copy with a larger file size, that would probably show a sharper image.

J.

It's good to be 'nit-picky'. It shows that you take pride in what you do, a trait that you don't find in many people anymore.

It's tough for me to find a lot of time to spend learning, so I learn things a little at a time. I wish I could have taken lessons from you forty years ago when I was much younger:)

I have some things to print this weekend, so I will do the charts at the same time.

Thanks Again!

Kt

The chord that has always given me the most trouble, now has a name(letter)...the F chord. I can never make it sound clear. I have worked on it for very long periods, but usually change the fingering to suit my fingers, but it does change the sound a bit.

Thanks Again!

Kt

You're welcome!

Maxter,
Sounds like you're a guitar player. You're very sharp to notice the D chord with the open A string. I'll explain why I did that. Most D chord diagrams show as 4-string chords, with the open D as the root of the chord. Thus, if you're playing a bass-chord-chord-chord rhythm pattern, the root of the chord is the 4th open string. However, the open A string is part of a D chord, since the notes D, F#, and A make up the chord. It's just not the root of the chord. A person who's taken some kind of music theory will know to play the D string as the root (bass), and the A string as an alternate bass, such as this pattern:

Bass-chord-alternate bass-chord
(open D string-chord-open A string-chord)

Have I lost you yet?

When strumming chords w/o picking basses, a five-string D chord will sound fuller than a 4-string chord.

Does all that make sense?

Julie

Keep it up!

Kt

I taught private guitar lessons at my own studio, plus some classes at the YWCA, then later taught in my previous home. Started teaching when I was 17, and stopped when I was in my late 30's. I sometimes miss it.

Julie, glad to be of help!

My goodness! You just explained "Blue Eyes Crying In The Rain"!

Not sure I follow your meaning.
Do you mean to say you've see Willie Nelson (or someone else) use a 5-string D chord?
Or do you mean your eyes were crying after you tried playing the 5-string on your electric guitar?
(I can understand why that wouldn't sound pleasing to the ear!)

I play mostly classical guitar now. Sold my electric MANY years ago!

Julie

Oh, I was only joking about Willie Nelson. Actually, I never have listened to his music. But, I'm in Texas, so I hear that song all the time...Not by choice. I think he does an alternating bass in E, like you discribed. Anyway, I tried the 5 string D on my accoustic and it did sound pretty good. On my electric, I don't like the added voicing of the open A. I hear hear too many tones...almost like a train blowing its horn. It's probably just my ear focusing on the added tone. I'm really picky about the way I voice my chords, and rarely strum a complete chord.

Cool...I'm not too old to learn new tricks! Now I'll have to write a song with that 5 string D. :-)

Sorry to hear about your electric guitar. Here's a picture of my latest build. All flame maple except for 2 cherry strips. I scalloped the frets for blazing action.

That's quite a skill you have there, being able to fashion your own guitars! Sounds like you're into Rock?

I never could get used to the solid bodies. Too skinny for me. My first electric ( a long, long time ago) was an Epiphone (when they were still made in Kalamazoo). That guitar is still being used by my late cousin's husband (whom I sold it to). I also owned an Epiphone bass at that time, and would change off between 6-string and bass in the band I was in at the time. Later, after selling both Epiphones, I bought a used Gibson Byrdland. My husband,(whom I was not yet married to at the time) was extremely angry at me for selling it. It would have been worth a lot of money by now if I would have kept it.

I also owned three acoustics, (an Alvarez, an Espana classical, and some off-the-wall 12 string.) All of them were stollen along with other valuables from my home in the late 80's. I was heart stricken. But our Insurance company was good to me, and replaced all of them with better guitars!........

A Gibson Hummingbird replica from the 60's,

An Esteve classical imported from Spain, and

A Takamine 12-string from Japan (at least it's not from China!) I like to play James Taylor's 'Fire and Rain' on that one.

Thanks for sharing your pics!

Julie

I can't use my middle finger or ring fingers as I have seen others use.

I can play it pretty fast, but the faster I play, the more dull sounds I get here and there. I have tried using my other fingers, but it feels more 'comfortable' this way.

I play right handed guitar, so my left hand seems more of a problem trying to get the strings held correctly to get those crisp sounds.

Oh well, I'm about due for my nightly 10-minute practice session...

Any comments that might help me out, or should I just stick with what works?

Kt

(I am able to quickly browse the GW some mornings. I leave for work at different times each morning, since I go to a different building every day, and some are closer to my home.)

Anyway, I quickly looked through my alphabetical archives of sheet music, and I don't have "Dust in the Wind". I thought that was odd, because I surely like that song. I hear the weather forecast is rain/T-storms later this aft, and I won't be able to play/work outside, so I should have time to browse the net and see if I can find it.

Meanwhile, if you have time in your busy day, and if you have already found it on line, maybe you could post a link here? I will definitely get back to you.

Julie

I have yet to use notes, and I don't have the tablature for the song...yet, sorry, but if I come across it or some sheet music, I will post it.

There are a couple on You Tube that show the intro, that are really helpful.

I watched two different You Tubes and each fingered differently. Both sounded OK though.

Kt

Now, I do have a suggestion for how you could play it, but first I need to ask a couple of questions:

1. You say you can't use your middle or ring finger as you have seen others use. Can you explain why? Were they injured somehow, or is it just hard to make them move the way you want them to?

2. What chord (if you know) are you starting with? If you don't know, what are the first couple of notes you're starting with? (I need to know what key you're playing in.)
For instance, is your first note fingered in the third fret of the 5th string - that's the second fattest string.

I can draw you a practice diagram that will get you going in a smooth pattern, when I have a little extra time this weekend.

Julie

Do you understand this rhythm pattern (from trumpet lessons?)

I start with the C chord, and the first note I pluck the 2nd and 5th(A & B strings?) strings together. Then I pluck the 4th, then 3rd, then 5th, then 2nd, 3rd and finally the 4th. Then I repeat the same picking with the C chord with an open 2nd string, and so on.

Yes, I understand that rhythm pattern.

Kt

I have been trying to watch various YouTube "lessons" on how to play "Dust in the Wind", to compare with the way I play it. I saw one video being played exactly as you explained above.

However, as I listened closely to the original Kansas version, I noticed the picking pattern is slightly different: The last two strings plucked should be reversed. So instead of the 3rd, and finally the 4th, the pattern should be reversed so that the final two strings plucked are the 4th, then finally the 3rd.

The sheet music I downloaded also shows the pattern as:
(With a C Chord) 2nd and 5th together, then 4th, followed by 3rd, 5th, 2nd, 4th, and finally 3rd.

Now, I suppose you've been playing your pattern long enough that you're comfortable and speedy. But if you want to play it like the "original", try to reverse the last two strings.

Now, I would encourage you to try the following:
For right hand picking/plucking, use your thumb on the 5th and 4th strings, index in the third, and middle (Yes, Middle!) on the 2nd string. Start V-E-R-Y S-L-O-W! The speed will come all by itself. I'm hoping you will find that way to be a smooth pattern, once you get used to it. That middle finger can be trained to work just as well as the index. Be patient with yourself.

Next questions - how much of the song have you been working on? Do you have all of the intro chords - and the rest of the chords for the whole song?

Let me know how you're doing.

Remember, you can play anything perfect if you play it slow enough while you're first learning. Speed comes with drilling (practicing)

J.

Funny that you mention the reversed 3rd & 4th strings. Originally, I played it that way, cause it was easier for me to learn, but after watching the VCR tape, it shows it played as 3rd then 4th. I'll go back to that and see how it sounds.

I play the C chord, then C with the open second string, then 2nd string third fret, then back to open.

Then I play the sequence of picks with the two middle strings second fret, all the rest open. Then 2nd string third fret, then 2nd string 1st fret, then open, then back to C chord with the 2nd string third fret.

I think that is the right order, and I can't remember how much more before the tune changes, but it all repeats between those chords. I'll have to get out the guitar and play it and write it down as I go and then post it here.

It changes toward the end and there is a G-chord(I think) then C then it starts the rest of the song, which I need to really practice.

I'll try that with the fingers. Now, I am using my thumb on the 5th and the first 4th pick, and the index for the 2nd & 3rd, and on the final 4th pick, does that make sense.

I know it would be easier for you to understand if I could actually read regular music for the guitar, but you have been a big help.

Thanks Very Much!

Kt

Now, I am using my thumb on the 5th and the first 4th pick, and the index for the 2nd & 3rd, and on the final 4th pick, does that make sense.

When I read that statement late last night, with a tired, fuzzy brain, it didn't make sense. But this morning it does. I see that you are (were) using your index three times in a row on the last three strings. That's O.K. if you're playing at a slow or medium speed, but to gain any kind of speed, you should alternate fingers.

For example, tap your right index finger on a table top as fast as you can. Now tap, alternating your index and middle fingers. Which way can you tap faster? (I hope it was the second way.)

Anyway, here's a couple exercises to develop your right middle finger:

1. On any one string, pluck using alternating index and middle fingers. Start slow and gradually increase speed.

2. Choose any bass string (4th, 5th, or 6th) and any other string (1st, 2nd, or 3rd). Now, using your thumb on the bass string, and alternating your index and middle fingers on the other string of your choice, do something like this:
T - 5th, I - 3rd, T - 5th, M - 3rd.

3. When you feel comfortable with that, try this:
T - 5th, I - 3rd, T - 5th, M - 2nd.

4. Then make it a little more challenging:
T - 5th, I - 3rd, T - 4th, M - 2nd

After a while you will see the dexterity in your middle finger increase.

End of lesson.

Hope that helps!

Jule

I don't like to think that I am set in my ways, and that I do like to try new things, but it's easier for me the way I've always done them, BUT, I am definitely going to work with it.

You are a very very good teacher. If you could understand my loooong explanation for using my index finger on the last three strings, then you must be very patient. Defintiely a virtue when being a teacher!

Thanks again.

Kt

I don't like to think that I am set in my ways, and that I do like to try new things, but it's easier for me the way I've always done them, BUT, I am definitely going to work with it.
Just give it some time, and pretty soon it will come easy.

I agree that dexterity increases with repetition, but I may be too old for a noticeable difference.:)
I think you're making yourself out to be older than you really are. Old to me, is in the three digits.

And that brings up another point....I'm thinking back to that cute photo of you and your first GF, and that killer bike you had. That bike looked very similar to one I had in the early 50's. So you could very well be around my age, or even 10 years younger than me. On the other hand, I think that fender style was also make in the 40's, which could put you as much as 10 years older than me. Now, I don't know about bikes in the 30's, but that picture doesn't look like it was taken in the 30's. So, I think your age range is anywhere between 10 years younger than me to 10 years older than me. If you're anywhere outside of that range, then I'm a bad guesser. I just wish I could see the back end of that bike!

Bottom line is, you're young until you hit 100, (It's all downhill from there) but it's never too late to learn new skills.

J.

I have an aunt that is 98 years old. I hate to tell her that in two years, it's all down hill...:)

Sadly, she is blind and partially deaf, but she still does needlepoint. Her younger sister, is 92 and still shoots a pistol at varmints that eat her garden vegetables. She still gets around really well and her mind is as sharp as a tack.

All, except one, of my grandparents and GGPs lived to their 90's.

I'm counting on my genetics to carry me to that 'downhill' slope.

Exercise and never stop learning, those are the two things that I think a person needs for longevity...and acting much younger than your age doesn't hurt either.

Kt

I'm around children all the time, so that helps keep me young at heart.

Exercising is in the form of gardening for me, (I dug trenches around the edge of one of my gardens today). Winter is a problem exercising, unless you force yourself to bundle up and take a treck through the woods every day.

Never stop learning. I think I'd better learn how do do something if I go blind. Something tells me that's the first thing that will go. Oh well, I can still play guitar if I go blind.

Sounds like you'll live to a ripe old age, if you're carrying your family's genes!

Julie

Thanks again.

It's time for my ten minute session, maybe 15 tonight.

Kt

I wish I could be strummin' something right about now.
Just checked a couple forums to see what's going on, but can't browse for long.....I'm on a mission of transfering all kinds of files and pictures from my newer computer to my dinosaur computer. I received a message on my XP program that there is a serious hard drive problem that is not recoverable (whatever that means), and that I should make back-up copies of all data, then take it in for repair.

This is not fun! I have transfered all my important documents, but the pics are taking a long time. I can only transfer 128 mb at a time with this flash drive. You know how much space pics take up, right? I have a feeling I'm not going to finish tonight....this will run into tomorrow.
Got to get it done though, in case my other computer crashes.....gotta get back to transfering....sorry to complain....

Hey, BTW, do you sing with your pickin' "Dust in the Wind?"

Julie

I make backups of my photos on an external harddrive. It plugs directly into a USB port. I have countless thousands of photos on my computer, and sometimes add a couple hundred a week.

I have backups of just under 40 thousand photos. I recently bought another external harddrive since my other one is just about full.

Using a flashcard would take me forever...even with a 2 Gigs.

My harddrive crashed a few years ago and I had to pay handsomely to get the info off of it, but it had some priceless photos on it so it was worth the money, but I learned to make double backups.

The computer was supposed to be making automatic backups, but it wasn't actually doing anything, just going through the motions, so I learned the hard way.

Never again.

Good Luck with the copying, and look into the external harddrive for a backup, it's a real time saver and can easily be taken with you if needed.

Kt

I am currently working on a guitar version of "Wafaring Stranger" that I downloaded from www.musicnotes.com.

I bet this is an extremely busy time of year for you, planting and all, but if you ever have some extra time on your hands, and don't know what to do, you might want to browse that site. You can get free downloads of a Musicnotes Player and the Guitar Guru in order to hear samples of all the sheet music. The Guitar Guru is neat, because you can see positions played on the fingerboard while listening to the sample music. You can also adjust the speed.

The sheet music is not free, however. You can purchase downloadable music with a credit card - dangerously addictive if a person isn't careful! There are many songs written in guitar tablature.

I'm responding about photos in the other post - you'll find it...

Julie

The first four notes are also difficult to distinguish, but the three chords appear to be the D chord, then the A chord and finally the G chord, but I'm not sure of his fingerings and it sounds a bit 'foreign' on my guitar. Later, I'll have to get out my other guitar and see how it sounds,...if I'm playing it right.

My Maria

Kt

Yes, the chords are D, A, and G. I think the reason you say his fingerings sound foreign on your guitar, is because he is using a capo in the first fret, so his chords will sound a half step higher than yours, (if yours is in tune, that is.) He also fingers the A chord different than some people - but that doesn't matter, as long as it ends up sounding correct.

Here are his intro notes (as played w/o the capo):
1. Pick open A (5th) string
2. Pick open A again, and quickly hammer the second fret of the A string.
3. Pick the open D (4th) string
4. Start strumming pattern on D chord.

Let me know if you don't understand the "hammer".

Have fun!

Julie

I was using a capo also, in fact it is one almost like his...spring loaded like a clothespin. I like it for quick removal.

I bought one of the tiny battery powered tuners for my guitar but haven't tuned it recently. I find that a new set of strings need to be tuned more often.

One other possibility is that I have nylon(?) strings on the first three and wire on 4th 5th and 6th strings. Did that make sense? I will try it on my other guitar later tonight if I get time.

P.S. I had to look at the chart you posted a while back to make sure I got the string numbers right. I always numbered from top(6th) string down to bottom(1st) string...or reverse of the way it should be. That chart has come in really handy for matching the chords with their 'letter' also.

Thank You Very Much.

Kt

It doesn't appear to move when he goes from G to D, at least that is what it looks like to me.

Falsetto? The high 'Maria' part? I can sing that part, as with yodeling, that is one pitch I can hit, but not as good as I used to. I like to sing the Cattle Call also, which requires similar pitch(my high tech music talk).

I am better with the deep voice songs like Johnny Cash's Ring Of Fire or Walk The Line.

Kt

If you bought a whole set of "nylon" strings you may have three nylon and three nylon wound with steel. However, w/o seeing your guitar, you may indeed have a mix. Sounds like you have a couple guitars - one with all steel strings, perhaps?

Glad you found the chart helpful.

Oh, and it looks like he is playing the G chord with his finger on the second string instead of the first.
Boy, you sure are observant! I didn't even catch that! I go by the general look of the shape of his hand, plus my ear can hear the chord progressions. I was trained by a great teacher when I was in my teens, which chords are commonly used in a particular key. I could talk (type) on that subject non-stop (like you can with photography), but I'm sure I'd give you a headache.

You're lucky to be able to sing bass and falsetto.
I can only sing in a one octave range and sound good.

Do you have calluses on the tips of your left hand fingers?

Julie

...but I'm sure I'd give you a headache.

No, I'm always open to hearing something new about music.

Do you have calluses on the tips of your left hand fingers?

Yes, I do have calluses, but I play the guitar with the nylon strings more often, since it is easier on the fingers...a great guitar(or strings) to learn on, then I use the one with steel strings after I learn the song.

I have another guitar(for a total of three) that was my Dads. I never play it, and it needs some work done to it like some new string 'tighteners'(I'm sure there's a name for them).

Kt

Your Dad played guitar? The string tighteners are called tuning pegs, or machine heads (since they're geared.) I'm sure you could take your Dad's guitar to a reputable studio/repair shop and they'd install new tuning pegs. Hopefully the neck is still straight, and not warped. Could you by any chance post a picture of it?

Julie

It looks much better in the photo than in real life. It has countless scratches and dents but is still solid.

After cleaning the dust off and polishing it up a little, I guess it doesn't look just too bad. It has a lot 'dings' in it, but that just adds character,...right? After all, a guitar is judged by it's sound and not it's looks.

The neck is straight. It's been kept in a case so that helped protect it over the years. The strings are the same ones that have been on it for years. There is not much space between the strings and the neck, which I really like since it is easy on the fingers and I can play it faster and with clearer sounds then on my other guitars.

His is a Gibson and mine is an Alvarez. My other guitar is some off brand, but I bought it since it plugs into an amp. You put a battery in it.

He never really learned to play, just picked it a bit. His Dad could play really well as could my Mom's Dad. As I mentioned before, my uncles played in several bands, and made recordings as late as the '70's. Their music is still played on local stations here, to this day.

There is a very nice music store about 40 miles south of here in El Campo. My brother bought his guitars there back in the '60's.

Kt

What a musical family you came from! No wonder music is IN you! Thanks for sharing your photo...

Julie

I need to put some new strings on it, but I kind of like the old ones. Sentimental value.

I think someone told me that before also, about the older gutars giving better sounds. I don't know how old this guitar is. I would think that there is some kind of date of manufacture stamped somewhere inside of it.

What does a good new violin go for these days? I'd like to start playing one again...someday.

Kt

As far as violins go, I'd stay away from anything made in China, India, or Korea. Try to get something made in Germany or Checkoslavakia, if you can. If you want a new good violin, you might pay $600 and up. However, if you search around, you might be able to find a good used one.
Watch the classifides.

If I get some time tomorrow, I'll take a photo of my 100-year-old violin and post it.

Julie

I can't remember when he told me that he bought it but I know it was after they were married, so it could be the J-45.

Thanks also for the info on the violins. I have been wanting to make a trip to the music store in El Campo. They sell violins there and have(had) some used ones there in the past.

Kt

And a close-up of the body with nicks and scratches:

The string repair man put new hardware on (new tailpiece, gold fine tuners, and new tuning pegs):

There is no stamped date, and no label inside the violin, but I trust the man I bought it from, because I've been dealing with him for many years. He threw a new bow in for free, but I had to purchase the case extra. He said the violin was made either in Germany or Checkoslovakia.

I can't figure out why the interior of the case shows white dots in the first and last photos, but not the second. Must be a camera issue.

Julie

I've seen some a lot 'younger'(newer) and they don't look half that good.

It looks like you used a flash on the first and last photos, but hard to tell on the second. Usually a flash will cause that.

That's why sometimes I will set the shutter speed to a longer exposure and then not use the flash.

They are all great pictures and of a nice looking violin. I bet it could tell some stories...

Some, if not most of those scratches can probably be buffed out if you ever choose to do so, depending on how deep they are.

Thanks for sharing those photos, now I've got the urge to go see if I can find me one:)

Kt

No time to practice seriously.

The other night I sat down on my couch to practice/play a little... and 2 hours later, I woke up, and I still had the pick in my hand.

I mostly play with my fingernails, but for some tunes, I need the pick.

Kt

You must've been playin something sweet and soothing!

J.

The Discovery World Museum in Milwaukee features the Les Paul House of Sound Exhibit where visitors can "play" with Les in a state of the art video and audio studio.
I'd like to go there some time this summer.

Wonder if we'll be able to still play at age 93 - Huh, Kt?

Jule

I think you'll be still playing into your nineties.

One of my sister-in-laws' Dad, still plays guitar and he is 92. He lives in San Antonio but still drives all over the country. He played with some of the early country singers such as Slim Whitman.

An interesting man. He flew planes(crop dusters) for his Dad and Uncle, and then flew fighters in WWII.

He has some very nice guitars. He has promised(willed) them to my nephew. Sure wish I could have just one of those guitars.:)

If I ever make it to Milwaukee, I'll have to check out that Sound Exhibit...sounds like a great place to visit.

Kt

What fun it must have been for your sister-in-law's Dad to be able to record songs with a famous legend! And good for him that he still plays! Playing a musical instrument is good for the left side of the brain, I'm told.

So is doing crosswords, or building/creating things....

Oh, I can't wait 'till I retire to do/learn lots of new things!

Julie

I read many years ago that a person's knowledge increases until the age of twenty, then it doubles every ten years after that.

However, judging by some of the young people I know, that theory has been blown waaaaay out of proportion.

Kt

I wonder if that's because some people don't know how to think and solve problems like us "older" folks. For instance, all this computer programing has buttons to push that do all your remembering for you. I prefer to do as much manual button pushing as I can. Hands-on-repetition helps my brain remember. If you don't use it, you lose it, that sort of thing.

I just got back from taking my Dad in for a routing Dr. appointment. But before we rode into town, we sat and talked a bit, and got to talking about his high school days. He said he and two friends, in their senior year, sang for a program of some sort. He played guitar, and could remember it was in the key of "D". He started singing it for me, right there at the kitchen table, memory sharp as a nail. There is some yodeling involved, which he couldn't do as well as when he was a senior, but boy, he still has a great voice!

The song was called "Way Out There", and was recorded by Hank Snow. I couldn't find it on YouTube, but I did find the lyrics. Wish I could find the audio!

Written by Bob Nolan
Recorded by Hank Snow

(Way out there)
A lonely spot I know where no man will go where the shadows have all the room
I was ridin' free on this old SP humming a southern tune
When a man came along made me hush my song kicked me off way out there
As she pulled out of sight I turned to the right the left and everywhere
But all I could see was a cactus tree and a prairie dog playin' there
I watched the prairie dog feed on the tumbleweed that's his home way out there
So I threw down my load in the desert road rested my weary legs too
I watched the sinking sun make the tall shadows run out across that barren plain
Then I hummed a tune to the risin' moon he gets lonesome way out there
So I closed my eyes to the starlit skies and lost myself in dreams
I dreamed the desert sand was a milk and honey land then I awoke with a start
As she was passin' by I caught her on the fly climbed in an open door
Then I turned around to that desert ground saw the spot I would see no more
As I was ridin' away I heard the pale moon say
Farewell pal it sure gets lonesome here (way out here)

I should have asked my Dad what "SP" stands for.
Do you know?

Julie

SP = Southern Pacific?

We always call the trains here SP's since they are Southern Pacific railways. I could be wrong...

I think Hank Snow was another recording star that my sister-in-law's Dad used to play with. I'll have to ask him next time I see him.

Kt

He sure loved his cowboy songs.

Julie

Kt

My Dad's BD is coming up Friday, when he will turn 88. We're havin' a cook-out for him & other relatives Sunday. I may just go to Barnes & Noble and see if they have the Cool Water album by the Sons of the Pioneers. Dad loves that group!

I tried to Google search for the guitar chords for the song, but no such luck so far. Well, Dad says it's in the key of D, so the G and A7 chords are prob'ly the others. If I buy 2 albums, (one for myself), I could figure out the chords just by listening. All I need to do is learn how to yodel!

Way Out There sounds like a coooooool song!

Julie

That "Way Out There" sounds like a beautiful song, but for some reason I can't 'place' it.

Kt

Never saw that movie, but I remember seeing the ads. Might be a good one to rent from Blockbuster (I have a gift card that I should use, anyway!)

Julie

Anyway, this may be a dumb question, but what does it mean when someone says that a song is, for example, played in the key of 'A'?

I hear people say this sometimes when they are showing or explaining how to play a song.

Kt

Music Theory 101:
(You may be sorry you asked.)
Actually I learned about Key signatures well before I went to college. I had a wonderful guitar teacher.

Ready?

When a person plays in the key of 'A', the notes of the A scale are used for the melody.
They are: a, b, c#(sharp), d, e, f#, g#, a(octave above 1st a.)
You probably practiced scales when you studied the trumpet/cornet.
The composer of the melody may throw in some accidentals once in a while to vary the melody tune. (Accidentals are added flats or sharps.)

As far as the chords are concerned, the key of A often has some basic chord progressions that fit (sound good) together.
For instance, a chord progression often used is I, IIIm, IV, V7, I.
(Lost ya, didn't I?)

Translation:
The Roman numerals correspond to the notes of the A scale.
Thus: I = the chord that has its root as the first tone of the A scale, which is A.
IIIm = the chord that has its root as the third tone of the A scale, which is F#. m = minor, so IIIm = F#m.
IV = the chord that has its root as the forth tone of the A scale, which is D.
V7 = the chord that has its root as the fifth tone of the A scale, which is E. (Add the 7 for E7)
I = back to the A chord again.

So there you have it:
A, F#m(F sharp minor), D, E7, A.

Make sense? Or are you dizzy?

Julie

If you were looking at a staff of notation in the key of A, you would see three sharp signs in the beginning of every staff of the song. Those three sharps (F#, C#, and G#) signify that the song is written in the key of A.

Head spinning now?

Julie

In the explanation two posts up,
IIIm should have been VIm = F#m
(6th tone of the A scale)

That's how disfunctional my brain works this late at night!

Calling it a night....

J.

I read it twice, but my concentration isn't very good lately, since my days are long and hot. I'll save it to my guitar page, for later reference.

Thank You Very Much!!!

After reading that, watering in the high heat and humidity doesn't seem that bad after all:) Just kidding...hehe

I think I got the jist of it, but I think I may have another question now, but I'll get back with you at a later time.

Thanks again, and wow, you really DO know you're music!

Kt

IIIm = the chord that has its root as the third tone of the A scale, which is F#. m = minor, so IIIm = F#m.

Change that sentence to read:
VIm = the chord that has its root as the 6th tone of the A scale, which is F#. (m = minor, so VIm = F#m.)

I could kick myself for making that mistake!

You're welcome, BTW.
Now you kind of know how I feel when you instruct me in photography....I get the jist of it, but can only absorb a little at a time.

What's your next question?

Julie

You have been, and continue to be, very helpful.

Thank You Very Much!!!

Kt

Four hands...One Guitar

Kt

I can't play that fast anymore...fingers won't move fast, either will the brain!

Thanks for sharing that video!

Julie

Seems this thread still has that '3ec.us' thing when trying to open it...strange.

Kt

So cool!

Julie

When I flat-pick(I think that's what they call it), I've noticed that most people use their thumb to strum the strings. I use my first finger. I was told by someone long ago, that the ring finger is used on the lowest(bottom) string, the middle finger is for the second, or next one up, and the index/pointer finger is used for the third string up from the bottom. The thumb is used for the top three strings. Sometimes there is a need for variation, but this was supposed to be the general rule for playing, what is your opinion on this? Any tips?

OK, back to my personal technique.

ie - When I pick a few individual notes, then maybe a hammer-on, and then strum, I generally use the back of my index(pointer) finger.

Also, I still use only my thumb and index finger for picking(travis picking?) like in Dust In The Wind for example.

I know this probably limits my speed(at least on some songs), but it otherwise works great for me. I have tried to use other fingers, and strum with my thumb, but it is so slow...I guess I need to practice it over and over and over... I guess that's what I get for teaching myself to play...no formal learning other than your expert advice here, which I greatly appreciate.

Now on bass quitar, which I haven't played in years, I do remember using my index and middle fingers...go figure.

Kt

Flatpicking means you are using a pick (plectrum), and not your fingers. I don't think there's a technical term for strumming with your fingers.

When I strum without a pick, I use various ways:
Thumb - both down and up strokes
Thumb & index - down stroke w/thumb, up w/index
Thumb & IMR - (This one's complicated to explain, but I'll try.) Thumb used for both down & up strokes, with an occasional down strum thrown in using the backs of my index, middle & ring fingernails.
Index - (This is what you say you use.) Down and up strokes used a LOT this way in Flamenco music! I bought myself a couple of Flamenco song books off the internet last winter, and got used to using the index finger while playing that style of music.

So, you can play whatever way pleases you. Strumming up & down with the thumb gives a soft, mellow sound, while strumming with the index finger gives a brighter sound.

You are correct on the general use of the fingers while finger-picking:
R=1st (highest pitched) string
M=2nd
I=3rd
T=4th, 5th, 6th
Variations - where needed

Next:
When I pick a few individual notes, then maybe a hammer-on, and then strum, I generally use the back of my index(pointer) finger.
I need to ask if you mean the fingernail side of your hand, when you say "back" of your hand?
If that is indeed what you mean, and if you were taking lessons from me 30 or 40 years ago, I wouldn't let you do that. Main reason is that you're limiting your speed. Here's why - Using the fingernails to play only down-strokes while you play individual notes would be slower than if you use the tips of your fingernails (or the tips of your fingers, if you have no fingernails) to play upstrokes with alternating index and middle fingers.
(Are you still with me?)

I think I gave you some exercises a while back, using alternating index and middle fingers, and the thumb. I realize you don't have much time, since you're so busy watering all your plants, but maybe this winter you can brush up on those techniques. I haven't played ANY of my instruments for a month now, for the same reason!

As I played through Dust in the wind, I tried playing only using my thumb and index finger, and THAT slowed me down! I HAVE to use my middle alternating with my index like I was trained...it just comes natural.

Hey, I just thought of something. You mentioned using both index and middle fingers on bass guitar. Now, if you were playing the way most bass players do, you were most likely using what's called a "support" finger stroke, where your index or middle finger comes to rest on the next string immediately after the stroke. If you are trying to use that same support stroke while playing finger style on guitar, that would definitely slow you down. The support stroke is only used on a 6-string when you are playing a single note melody that you want to emphasize with more volume. Make sure that when you're playing "travis" style, that you're using a "free" stroke with your I,M,& R fingers.
In other words, let your fingers pull out and away from the strings, w/o letting them rest against the adjacent string.

Please let me know if any of that helps or makes sense.

Julie

It's been a very very long day. I will try reading and understanding more tomorrow.

You are explaining things well...I'm just tired and need a clear mind to comprehend everthing. One thing you said about playing Dust In The wind with two fingers slowed you down, well I play it very fast with two fingers, apparently from years of playing that way. I guess if your thumb plays two strings, then why not your index finger...just a thought.

Thanks for the reply, though. I'll post a reply again tomorrow.

Kt

So here, I'm very frustrated trying to find the right words to explain intricate finger movements without confusing you. Geeze, I can't even draw a diagram here!

Going back to your original question: I was wondering what you thought about how I play(use my fingers).
I answered from the point of view of a classical-trained guitarist. That's why I said if you were my student 30 or 40 years ago, I wouldn't advise playing with the back of your index finger for single note melodies. I also would have taught you how to use your index, middle, and ring fingers in an alternating manner. Chet Atkins plays that way.

HOWEVER! I did some research on Merle Travis and his style of playing, which is just using the thumb and index finger. So.....his style was, and I suppose still is used extensively and successfully!

Bottom line is, since playing guitar is an enjoyable pastime for you, play whatever way is comfortable for you, and don't try and change if it's frustrating.

I believe I read somewhere that Les Paul still plays, but his right hand is full of arthritis, and I THINK he only has the use of one of his right hand fingers. If it's not him, it's someone else I'm thinking of.

You are a very busy, hard working man, and your guitar playing should be a relaxing and enjoyable hobby, not something a nit-picky Wisconsin girl is trying to change!

I was not trained in country music, and I'll bet there's a whole lotta different styles out there, that I've never seen before!

Enjoy your playing for heaven's sake. I promise I won't try and change your way of playing....unless you move up here and ask me to teach you in a formal sort of way, and you promise to practice 30 minutes a day! (kidding)

I'm ramblin too much!

Julie

In other words, let your fingers pull out and away from the strings, w/o letting them rest against the adjacent string.

Yes, I don't let them rest against adjacent strings.

Next, playing Dust In The Wind, I generally am using the middle four strings, so the thumb uses two and my index uses the other two...probably not a good way to play but that is how I learned(taught myself) and it works fine. I will work on using other fingers from the exercise that you gave me a while back.

I need to ask if you mean the fingernail side of your hand, when you say "back" of your hand?

I mean the back or top of my index fingernail. Others that I see, use their thumb on the down stroke.

Main reason is that you're limiting your speed. Here's why - Using the fingernails to play only down-strokes while you play individual notes would be slower than if you use the tips of your fingernails (or the tips of your fingers, if you have no fingernails) to play upstrokes with alternating index and middle fingers.

I am not sure what you mean here. I read it several times but can't be sure what you are trying to say. Sorry, I'm kind of slow with this, and I appreciate your patience.

I can say that I am much faster with using my index finger on the downstroke strum as opposed to using my thumb, where I have a problem hitting all the strings right or equally. The sound is better with my index vs my thumb...does that make sense?

Kt

Whenever I play SINGLE strings, my thumb ALWAYS picks down, and my fingers ALWAYS pick up.

When you say you pick down with your index finger(nail), I understand the better sound as meaning brighter, since the nail is hitting the string, instead of the flesh of your thumb?

O.K.....another question for you....
When you strike down with your index finger, are you giving extra support to your finger by pressing your thumb on the side of your finger, as if holding a pick? (boy, I hope that made sense.) If so, that's where you're getting a powerful stroke w/the index finger. I used to do that on my steel string guitar when I was too lazy to get up and get my pick!

J.

Yes, that is also how I play single strings.

When you say you pick down with your index finger(nail), I understand the better sound as meaning brighter, since the nail is hitting the string, instead of the flesh of your thumb?

I don't 'pick' down with my index finger, I strum down, but I do so, where I see that others down strum with their thumb. Does that make sense?

When you strike down with your index finger, are you giving extra support to your finger...

No, I just use the index finger with no extra support. It probably is not as loud as if I would use my thumb, but as I mentioned before, it is quicker for me than using my thumb which is hard for me to make hit the strings right when playing fast.

Thanks for your help! How much do I owe you?

Kt

Thanks for your help! How much do I owe you?
Ha! Very funny!

I think I owe you MORE, with all the photography and bamboo growing help you've given me!!

J.

Here's what I mean:
When you said (typed), ie - When I pick a few individual notes, then maybe a hammer-on, and then strum, I generally use the back of my index(pointer) finger,
I "read" your sentence wrong. I thought you were saying that you use the back of your index finger for both the individual notes AND strumming.

That's why I went into this long explanation of why you shouldn't use the back of your fingernails for individual notes.

Now, (stay with me, here) on Sunday night you said you always pick UP with your fingers. Soooooo, I went back and re-read your statement:
ie - When I pick a few individual notes, then maybe a hammer-on, and then strum, I generally use the back of my index(pointer) finger.

I then realized that you were using the back of your index finger ONLY when strumming chords, not for individual notes.

So sorry for confusing you in the first place! It was my fault for not understanding your above sentence in the first place, since I didn't read it clearly.

Anyway, I had to clear away the confusion here in cyberspace, since it was bothering me.
If I can be of any help guitar-wise in the future, I'll be glad to do it, and I promise to read your statements more clearly.

Julie

No need to let it bother you. I also have a hard time explaining things through cyberspace, so I understand completely, and hey, you DID help me a lot!

I am grateful and always appreciate your expert help.

Thank You Very Much!

Kt

I used to play a different version of this song, but have long forgotten it. I like this version, but cannot make it stick in my memory. Sigh...

Freight Train

Kt

J.

I listened to several different versions on YouTube, and played a different sounding version some years ago, but I really like this one, and am determined to play it.

I remember more easily when I can see it played as compared to remembering it from tabs. I can play the song slowly from looking at the tablature, but I just can't keep it in my memory.

I have to play a few notes from the tablature, then play them over and over while NOT looking at the tabs.

I'll get it, but it may take more time then I will have, unless we get some more rain.

Kt

I listened to several different versions on YouTube, and played a different sounding version some years ago, but I really like this one, and am determined to play it.

I remember more easily when I can see it played as compared to remembering it from tabs. I can play the song slowly from looking at the tablature, but I just can't keep it in my memory.

I have to play a few notes from the tablature, then play them over and over while NOT looking at the tabs.

I'll get it, but it may take more time then I will have, unless we get some more rain.

Kt

Anyway, I tried your tablature version, then found a different version in an old book of mine, and like them both. Let's see if I can copy it here ~

O.K. that worked, but sorry it's crooked, and very small to read. The tablature is at the bottom, as you can see. If you'd like, I can re-scan that page with just the bottom tablature, and place it sideways, to make it larger to read, then you can also try that version. It's in the same key (remember we talked about Keys a while back?), but it uses a little more fill-in notes than your version you posted.

A couple tips:
1. Form as much of the chord as you can, with its variations in your left hand (C, G, G7, etc.) before you start picking with your right hand. (Ask me about that again if you don't understand, and I'll explain it in more detail.)

2. My classical guitar teacher taught me to practice small sections of a song over and over and over - 10 or 20 times if you must, (slowly) and the speed will come all by itself. It sounds like you're doing that already, but make sure you practice only a measure or two at a time this way. As you learn to play each measure smoothly, you can add another measure or two at a time, then you'll have the whole song.

3. You must practice diligently night after night, (not once or twice/week) or your brain will forget what you taught it with all that drilling. You can usually take one or two days off/week, with no ill effects, but DO try and practice 5-6 nights a week.

I know that's extremely hard for you with all the watering you have to do, but there's no easier way to learn a song, other than practice it regularly.

If you don't understand that first tip, let me know, and I'll go over it in detail tomorrow. Sometimes I don't explain things well this late at night!

Julie

Sorry. I hit it once, but soon after, I was hitting the 'back' button, and thought it didn't send, so I sent it again before checking to see if the first one went through.

Thanks for that version of Freight Train! It's fine like it is. I can rotate it later if I want it straighter and zoom in to enlarge it, but I can see it just fine like it is. I will try playing through it later tonight.

Form as much of the chord as you can,...

Yes, I understand that, but don't always do that since my fingers are big, I will sometimes not form the whole chord, depending on how I finger it.

I will sometimes use different fingers on different strings for the same chords, depending on what chord needs to be played next, if that makes sense.

Tip #2

Yes I do this. Time is a problem though. I am on vacation this week, the first time I had a full day off since last August, yet I'm working all day here at my house, and out at the country, and for my neighbours, so although I'm still busy, it's 'fun' work, and I do take a lot of breaks, so I have been getting more practice time in, at least until I go back to work.

I'm not worried so much about speed right now, as you said, it will come with repetition.

Sigh..., unfortunately time is scarce. Seems the older I get, the less time there is...I always thought it would be the other way around?!?!

Thank You for all of your help. Please add that to my bill!

Kt

Just one last tip that I though of.
I used to be a very poor sight reader when I was taking lessons as a teen-ager, so reading notation was slow for me. I wanted to play everything by ear and memorize it. But later, while taking classical guitar lessons in my early 20's, my teacher told me to start playing easy-to-read songs, with my eyes constantly on the sheet music. The note reading gradually became easier, then I progressed to harder songs, as I could handle reading notes faster, because of the constant training my brain received.

My suggestion to you is (when you have the time), try to keep your eyes on the tablature more while you play a section over and over and over. This will make you a faster sight reader. It might be easier this winter when you are stuck inside more.

Seems the older I get, the less time there is...I always thought it would be the other way around?!?!
I know the feeling. I think it's because as we get older, there are so many different and new things we want to learn/try out, plus finish all the other projects we've started in our life!

Oh, and I didn't really help you that much with anything new! You seem to already be doing everything I tipped you on in my previous post anyway! Just trying to give you a little encouragement, that's all.

Please add that to my bill!
Don't be silly! I feel like I'm waaaaaaay behind in returning the favor of coaching, compared to all that you've helped me on as far as photography & bamboo stuff!

I need to go dig some sod....

Julie

I used to be a sod-buster, or plowboy, or whatever else I was called.

Stopped planting corn about 20 years ago. Now, like you, I'm just a yard sod-buster, which can still be very hard work at times, at least here. Too dry to dig anything now. If I had more time and more rain, I'd be digging up plants out at the country and replanting them here in pots.

Thanks again for all you're help.

Kt

Is that not good? The sound of an upstroke pick compared to the pick of a downstroke pick is a bit different, at least to my ears, but the tune still sounds great to me.

That is how I taught myself, as I mentioned before. I guess formal training would have been a huge help, but I would never have learned to play if that would have been the case...so...

Is there a disadvantage to thumb and index DDDU compared to thumb/index/middle DDUU?

What's your opinion?

Kt

Actually, I need a little bit more info before I give you any advise.
What chords are you playing for that song?
And can you give me the specific order of strings you're playing for a couple of those chords?

You see, I'm confused when you say, "The top three picks."
Are you talking about playing the bass strings (6th, 5th, and 4th, or lowest pitched strings) with your thumb?
Those strings are really called the lowest strings, since they're lowest in pitch, even though they're highest in position as you hold your guitar. The highest strings are the 3rd, 2nd, and 1st, since they're the highest in pitch, even though they're the lowest in position as you're holding your guitar.

I need to try playing the chords you give me, and I need to hear the individual strings played as arpeggios of those chords (in the order you give me,) so I can compare the sounds and different finger patterns. Then I'll get back to you with a more alert brain than if I try and answer now.

I can tell you one thing though. The length of your fingernails will determine how bright or mellow the strings will sound. I have problems breaking my thumbnails too often, and end up playing with the fleshy part of my thumb, making for a mellow sounding bass.

I'm already "talking" more than I intended....will get back to you tomorrow....or whenever you tell me about the chords you''re playing, and the order of strings (arpeggios.)

Glad to hear you're strummin' again!

Julie

The first chord is the D chord, and you pick the 4th, 3rd, second, then first strings, but the first string is picked open, then hammer-on...does that make sense?

The second chord would be the A chord, and you pick the 5th, 4th, 3rd, then the 2nd string open, so it's not a true A chord.

The third chord would be the G chord(I guess). You pick the 6th string(finger on 6th string, third fret), 4th, 3rd, then second...all open.

Finally, you play the A chord again, but play the 5th, 4th, 3rd, then 1st strings. Then repeat.

There are a few variations in number of picks as I get to different parts of the song, but basically, that is the main picking sequence...very simple, but I can't explain it very well. I wish I could find tablature for how I play this. I can't even find my video that I learned from.

Let me know which part I need to explain better.

Anyway, each chord is a different pick of four different strings, and I see even other songs played where they use the thumb for the two upper strings, then the index and middle for the lower two, but I find it difficult to use my middle finger(although I'm practicing as you suggested), but it still feels uncomfortable. Anyhow, I am able to use my index and keep good time using just it on the lower string. Does any of that makes sense?

I'll stop explaining sonce I think I'm starting to confuse myself:)

Kt

You did a very good job explaining everything except in the last paragraph. Remember, the lower strings are the bass (lower pitched) strings. The higher strings are the upper/higher pitched strings. You're describing them backwards, because of how you see them in relation to the floor. Just think in terms of higher and lower pitch, instead of their distance from the floor/ground.

Anyway, I played the chords you described. That's a nice sequence of chords! The second chord is A(add9). I won't even try to explain that one theory-wise, or it will give you a headache.

I played them as you mentioned in your earlier post, with DDDU, using my thumb on the first three notes, and index on the last of the four. That was tricky for me, since I was trained to basically use my thumb on the 4th, 5th, and 6th strings, index on the 3rd string, middle on the 2nd, and ring on the 1st, (with a multitude of variations, of course.)

Your way of playing is fine, as long as the song is slow-medium speed. The disadvantage of that pattern may come if you use it for a fast tempo song. The thumb has to do a lot of moving, even skipping strings, and may limit your speed. If you can imagine playing five consecutive piano keys with each of your fingers: thumb, index, middle, ring, and pinkie, you can play those five keys very fast. But if you try and play those same keys with just your thumb, your speed is limited. That's the best comparison I can come up with.

If I remember, that song, "When You Say Nothing At All" is fairly slow, so if you are comfortable with that pattern, stick with it. The thumb (at least for me and my broken thumb nail) gives a nice mellow tone as I pluck the strings, as opposed to using the thumb on just the bass strings, and index & middle on the upper strings.

Do you still have the exercises I posted a long time ago that would help strengthen your middle finger? If not, let me know and I can give you some more exercises.

Julie

Yes, sorry about that. I always have that tendency to decribe the strings in relation to the floor...up or higher, and down or lower.

I also agree, that I won't/can't play fast tempo unless I use my middle and ring fingers, but I mostly play slower tunes, although I play "When You Say Nothing At All" faster than most others, I still play it quite slow.

Do you still have the exercises I posted a long time ago that would help strengthen your middle finger? If not, let me know and I can give you some more exercises.

Yes, I have them:

1. On any one string, pluck using alternating index and middle fingers. Start slow and gradually increase speed.

2. Choose any bass string (4th, 5th, or 6th) and any other string (1st, 2nd, or 3rd). Now, using your thumb on the bass string, and alternating your index and middle fingers on the other string of your choice, do something like this:
T - 5th, I - 3rd, T - 5th, M - 3rd.

3. When you feel comfortable with that, try this:
T - 5th, I - 3rd, T - 5th, M - 2nd.

4. Then make it a little more challenging:
T - 5th, I - 3rd, T - 4th, M - 2nd

I need to practice these more often. I have a hard time keeping my nails long enough on my middle and ring fingers, and it's not much easier keeping the nail long on my index finger. Thumb isn't much of a problem.

If you have other different exercises, I would gladly welcome them also, but I must pay you. I don't like taking anything for free...it makes me feel guilty.:)

Anyway, you have been so helpful! You are a very kind person to spend time teaching someone you never met!

Thank You Very Very Much!!

Kt

If you have other different exercises, I would gladly welcome them also, but I must pay you. I don't like taking anything for free...it makes me feel guilty

Please realize that the photography tips, along with the Bamboo care you have always shared with me are a wealth of knowledge that more than makes up for the few guitar tips I share with you. (I'm the one who should feel guilty for not practicing more with my camera! I have much catching up to do...but so little time...you know how that goes.)

Here are a couple more exercises that might help strengthen your fingers and make them flexible:

5. T - any bass string, I - 3rd, M - 2nd, I - 3rd, repeat over and over on any chord.

6. T - any bass string, I - 3rd, M - 2nd, R(ring) - 1st, repeat over and over on any chord.
(This one would take the place of your DDDU (TTTI).

Start slow and increase your speed as you feel comfortable.

Julie;)

I'll work on those more as time permits.

I got in late tonight and didn't have much time. I thought I was finished with everything, then realized I left the fan on, and the door open on my greenhouse. Just got back inside a few minutes ago.

Very clear night tonight(again). Not supposed to get very cold tonight, only in the low 40's.

Should have a little time this weekend for practicing. Playing guitar is fun and soothes the soul, doesn't it? I like to play/practice just because it makes feel good inside. Sounds crazy, huh?

Kt

I recently re-string my classical guitar and it has taken several days for the highest pitched strings to stretch out to where they finally stay in tune. I ordered a set of med-hard tension, and I'm not so sure I like them. Some chords take a lot of muscle/wrist strength to press all the strings down to the fingerboard. I made a note to get med-tension strings next time. I don't have the wrist strength I used to when I was younger.

Also bought a set of strings for my Gibson acoustic, but haven't put them on yet. I also need to restring my 12-string, but I need a big block of time to do that one!

Last week-end I happened to come across some classical guitar forums, and it was tempting to join, but I decided against it, as I just can't devote more time to this computer addiction, with my full time job. Anyway, some of those characters practice for hours upon hours every day. No way can I do that! 1/2 to maybe one hour a day is all I have time for. Even if I were retired, I don't think I'd spend hours and hours playing, because at this stage of my life, I have too many other interests I want to persue.

Geeze am I babbling here.

Anyway, feel free to ask guitar Q stuff any time, and I don't want to hear another word about payment stuff, for heaven's sake! (There's no buying or selling on this forum, remember?)

Julie:)

There is a music store about 40 miles south of here in El Campo, that I have been going to since the '60's. I have been planning on getting new strings for my Alvarez, but don't know that much about strings other than nylon vs steel.

I have nylon on my Alvarez since I do my practicing on that guitar, then after I learn the tune, I play it on my other guitar with steel strings, but they can be hard on the fingers.

I hate to ask, but do you have any tips or preferences on strings?

Thanks!

Kt

Through the years I've purchased Augustine, Black Diamond, C.F. Martin, D'Addario, Ernie Ball, LaBella, and probably others that I can't recall.

For my Gibson acoustic, I prefer a light tension, because they are easier to press down of course, and if there's any bending to do, the light tension is more flexible than a medium or hard tension. The nice feature about med & hard tensions though, is that they sometimes give a brighter sound. If you have a powerful wrist that doesn't tire easily, and play lots of rhythm chords, med to heavy/hard tension strings are great. But if you like to do a lot of finger picking, you may want to go with a light tension string.

I ordered my latest two sets on line, simply because I enjoyed reading about the different descriptions at JustStrings.com.
If you want to browse that site, click on 'Acoustic' for your steel strings, and click on 'Classical' for your nylon strings.

There are three music stores in Racine that I could purchase strings from, but I don't think they have the wide variety you see online. You can buy inexpensive to more expensive strings. The shipping is the killer. I ordered two sets to save on shipping. I could kick myself for not ordering a third set for my 12-string guitar.

I prefer Silk and Steel for my acoustic.
Here's a description of my LaBella Silk & Steel lights:
The Silk & Steel wound strings have silver-plated copper wire wound on pure silk filaments wrapped over a steel core. Preferred by finger-style guitarists for their great volume and mellow tone, these strings are meticulously hand-wound using a pure Italian silk underlay and have less tension than standard steel or bronze wound strings."

And here's the description of my LaBella Classical Guitar 2001 series:
2001 Medium Hard Tension strings are the overwhelming choice preferred by many world famous guitarists and luthiers. They provide all the power and punch one would expect from a much higher tension string. This set has no equal regarding their brilliant sound and wide palette of tonal colors.
Like I mentioned before, I wish I would have purchased med tension classical strings rather than med-hard. But I'll wear these out, then get some med tension next time. I find that when I do a lot of hammers and pull offs, a lighter tension is better.

So, now you have to decide what kind/style of music you play the most, and go with that tension.
I'd recommend a med tension for classical/nylon strings.
As far as the steel strings for you, I'm not sure...med-hard tension if you do a lot of strumming chords...light if you do more finger picking.

Hope that info helps;)

Julie

Don't know what strength strings I have on my 'steel' string guitar(as I always call it), but hammers don't sound very good on it, as compared to the nylon strings on my Alvarez, but the sound is 'sharper' and it is a bit harder on my fingers.

Thanks for that website! I may order me some from there after I decide what I want. It seems like it may be quite a while before I get another chance to go to El Campo and buy some there.

Thanks Again.

Kt

Don't know what strength strings I have on my 'steel' string guitar(as I always call it), but hammers don't sound very good on it, as compared to the nylon strings on my Alvarez, but the sound is 'sharper' and it is a bit harder on my fingers.

Thanks for that website! I may order me some from there after I decide what I want. It seems like it may be quite a while before I get another chance to go to El Campo and buy some there.

Thanks Again.

Kt

(Just giving you hard time;)

Hope you can find something you like from that site. I think I paid $8 or $9 for shipping - ridiculous, I know, but sometimes paying for convenience is worth the savings in time and gas.

J.

Anyway, I forgot to mention something about the Just Strings site yesterday. Some of the brands give more detailed descriptions than other brands. I didn't mention much about the materials used in the different types of strings, and you may want to browse through some of those descriptions. Not all brands give descriptions, but I'll give you and example of one that does.

Say for instance you want to browse the C.F. Martin strings after clicking 'Acoustic'.
Click 'C.F. Martin'
Click 80/20 Bronze
Click C.F. Martin Acoustic Martin 80/20 Bronze Wound Light, .012 - .054, M-140
Scroll down past the description chart, and more detail is given.

You can read about all the different materials used in making up the strings, and the type of sound they produce.
Some of the more expensive strings are also longer lasting.

Here's another site I found while browsing:
How to Select Guitar Strings

Julie

O.K. I'd better stop with the material stuff...even my head is starting to spin!

Julie

Another long day here. No practice today...at least not yet. I like to do a little picking before bed if I have any energy left, so I might practice in a bit.

I don't mind paying for a string that will last longer as long as it sounds good and isn't too hard on my fingers.

You mentioned silk/steel strings earlier...interesting. I wonder how they sound? Probably not too much different than other steel?

Thanks again for the links!

Kt

Silk and Steel strings have a mellower sound than all steel or bronze strings. They are not the best kind for fast hard strumming, or if you want a bright bold sound, with a loud volume. They are better if you do more finger picking, bending, and want a softer sound. They also don't last as long as all metal strings. But they are very easy on the fingers, because they are lighter in gauge.

Here's yet another site that describes the characteristics of different types of strings:
About Acoustic Guitar Strings

Julie

Thank You!

Kt

I may be partial to Silk & Steel for my acoustic, but not everyone likes that kind. Since you have two guitars with different types of strings, (nylon on one, steel on the other,) you may want to try the phosphor-bronze in a light gauge. They are long lasting, and would provide a bright sound, giving you a nice contrast from the nylon strings on your other guitar.

I have a Q for you.
You said you have nylon strings on your Alvarez. What model is your Alvarez? I used to have a dreadnought many years ago before it was stolen. It had a decorative bird on the pick guard, and Mother-of-pearl inlays on the fingerboard. But I don't remember the exact model.

Second Q - Do you attach your strings with small pegs that fit into holes in the bridge? (If so, they'd be ball end strings.) Or do you have a classical model, where the strings are tied on (not ball end)?

Julie

Yes, it has small pegs that fit into holes on the bridge.

Not a 'fancy' looking guitar(no decorations). It was used, and was all I wanted to spend at the time, but it's probably my favorite and definitely the one I play most.

I'm thinking of maybe putting some Silk & Steel or phosphor-bronze light gauge. What do you think? I like a softer string on the Alvarez as I like to finger pick with it.

Any suggestions? Would either of those be good for quick finger picking? I'm still clueless when I look at all those pages of different strings.

Kt

So how many guitars do you have anyway?
Your Dad's, (pictured in one of the above posts,) your Alvarez, and another one?

Just tonight I finally got my Silk & Steel strings on my Gibson acoustic. Love the sound of new strings! I got caught up playing 'American Pie', strummin' chords with a pick. Then I played an instrumental by Simon & Garfunkle called 'Angie'. I haven't played on steel strings for a long time, so my fingertips are tender from playing my Classical guitar with nylon strings. I need to build up my calluses on my left hand fingertips, in order to play comfortably on the steel strings.

I will say that you might want to put nylon strings on one of your guitars, just for the difference in sound, and ease of playing. Then on the other guitar put steel strings. I need to find out if your Alvarez is a classical guitar or a folk/acoustic guitar. If it's a classical, you shouldn't put steel strings on it. Classical guitars must have nylon strings, because they put less stress/tension on the neck. Puting steel strings on a classical guitar might cause the neck to warp.

A picture might help......oh, and if it has a pick guard, it's NOT a classical guitar. That will help me advise you wisely.

Right now my brain is starting to shut down, so I need to get some shut eye soon, or I'll be good for nothing.

Julie:)

If you do more finger picking than strumming with a pick, I'd go with the Silk and Steel strings. They are made by several different companies, and I'm sure you can find some in a price range of your choice. If you order on line, you might want to also get a set of nylon (to save on shipping, since it's often the same whether you order one or two sets.)

You might want to put nylon strings on your other guitar. It seems to me I remember you saying you had another "off brand." Having suggested that, nylon strings come in either tie end or ball end. (You may already know that.)
What kind of bridge is on your other guitar? The reason I ask, is that you can only put tie end strings on a classical guitar, but you can put ball end strings on any guitar.

I don't want to bombard you with more questions and give you a dizzy headache (for now, anyway) so I'll hold off on more Qs.

So anyway, the silk & steel strings will be easier on your fingers than all metal strings, but they will be harder on your fingers than nylon strings. But with regular practice (even if it's only 15 min/day) your fingertips will build up calluses to the point where they won't hurt.

Let me know anytime if I can be of more help.
And don't worry, you're not being a pest.

jl

I don't play my Dad's guitar, it just sits in it's box, but I had to replace the tension screws a few years ago when I got it as they crumbled from age.

I'm not sure what brand my other guitar is, but it has steel strings and is quite hard on my fingers but I like the sound. I have pretty good callouses on my fingers from playing it. Hammers don't sound very good on it for some reason, I guess the type of strings.

That pic of the alvarez is a bit blurry, but that looks like mine as best I can tell, even the same colour. Black pickguard. I have the nylon on the Alvarez and they are worn out. This is the one I want new strings for and am not sure what kind to get.

I will probably put nylons back on it, and maybe some silk/steel on my Dad's old Gibson...if you could recommend some, I would appreciate it.

My third guitar, as I call it, the one with the steel strings, are tough enough for me, but I want some strings easier on my fingers, so maybe silk/steel light guage on the Gibson and nylon on the Alvarez?

Nylon strings come in different strengths/tensions(light, medium, heavy, etc) also?

Now, I know I'm being a pest, but I trust your judgement. I don't know when I can make a trip to the music store, and I don't trust some of the young help there...they act like they know everything, but they just want to make a sale.

I plan on ordering some this weekend online if I can decide on a webstore and strings. I will probably order 4 sets of strings, so maybe I can vary the kinds I get so I can determine which ones I like best, and shipping is free on one site that you posted if you buy over $40?

Thanks for all of your help!!!!

Kt

I'm not sure how to describe the bridge or what differences they have.

Kt

Your Dad's guitar, being quite old, if I remember is from the 40's, so should have light gauge strings put on. Silk & Steel would be a great choice. On the JustStrings site, there are three brands that have Silk & Steel: C.F. Martin, GHS, and La Bella. The most expensive ones are the La Bella (Those are the ones I bought.) If you get those for your Dad's guitar, make sure you order the light gauge.

I couldn't find where shipping was free if you order $40 worth. Can you tell me where you saw that?

Yes, nylon strings come in light, medium and heavy gauges. Sometimes they are classified as normal, medium(regular),or high tension. You could easily go with a med. gauge/tension for your Alvarez. Make sure you purchase nylon strings with ball ends (They also come with plain (tie) ends which won't work on your Alvarez.)
I browsed some of the Classical (nylon) sets on the JustStrings site and found some reasonably priced with ball ends (You may have to do a little searching for them after you click on the brand names.) - Black Diamond, C.F. Martin, D'Aquisto, Ernie Ball, and Sfarzo.
If you browse another site and find a different brand name that has ball end nylon set that's med. tension, that's your choice. I don't buy the ball ends, because mine have to be plain (tie) ends for my classical guitar. I like LaBella nylons, but I couldn't see any w/ball ends.

I don't know how long you've had the strings on your "other" guitar, but you might want to change those too, and I would suggest the phosphor-bronze light gauge for a bright sound, and not too hard on your fingers. There are a LOT of brands that have the phosphor-bronze strings, because that kind is one of the most popular.
Strings lose their brilliance just from sitting, not just from playing. They also lose their tunability after they collect dirt, finger oils, and tarnish from exposure. Professional guitarists changes their strings once/week on average. I used to change mine about every two-three months. There was a period of time several years ago when I didn't play at all, and I was horrified at how bad the strings tarnished just from sitting in their cases! It was my daughter who pushed me into playing again, so now I'm taking better care of my instruments.

I hope I haven't left anything out. If I did, ask again!
Oh!!! I know what I forgot! Some of the nylon sets are described as bronze or silver wound. That just refers to the 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th strings, which are wound around nylon. The first two strings are always just nylon.

Hope I've helped some.

Julie

I'll respond more this evening when I have more time. I have to take advantage of the daylight and warm weather and get some work done outside.

Here's one site, but it's not the one I saw the other night.

$35 - Free Shipping

Kt

Oh, I though of something else to share with you.
If you talk to other guitar players, you may hear someone say, "You shouldn't put nylon strings on an acoustic guitar. They're only meant for classical guitars."
There are a couple of reasons they might say that.
1. Acoustic guitars are played mostly with a pick, and nylon strings aren't meant to be played with a pick, only with your fingers. The metal strings can take the hard attack of picks.
2. If nylon strings are put on a guitar after it has come with metal strings, the tension on the neck may change (less tension with nylon strings), and sometimes the neck needs adjustment.

But you can do whatever you want - it's your guitar! If you already have nylon strings on your Alvarez, and enjoy playing with them, and don't have problems with the strings buzzing against the frets (that would indicate your neck needs adjustment), then you don't have to worry about what someone else tells you.

I don't mean to confuse you more, I'm just saying you might come across someone telling you what you can and can't do.
Someone may say to you, "That lady on the test forum doesn't know what she's talkin' about if she says you can put nylon strings on your Alvarez!"

Anyway, I wish you happy web-shopping.
And feel free to ask anything, as I always feel like I've left something out!

J.

I'm overwhelmed by all the different strings. Anything on this page HERE that is worth buying and that you could recommend for my Alvarez?

I looked at my Dad's Gibson and the bridge pins look brittle, but I will get some string for that guitar anyway...also nylon. Maybe I'll try a different tension?

So, what I'm looking for is, three sets of strings, possibly four sets. One will need to be steel strings, which brings me to another question(if you haven't answered it already): Do different tension strings of the same make(steel for example) make different sounds? What other differences are there with different tensions? Which ones did you say last longer?

The other two will need to be nylon, and I'd like two different tensions for experimenting with. If price permits, I'll get one more set of nylons and once again, with a different tension if you think that would be a good idea.

I hope that all makes sense to you!

Thanks for your patience! I knew there were a lot of different strings, but had no idea of the diversity until you showed me those sites online...Whew!!

Kt

Silent Night Arpeggio

Kt

You mentioned puting nylon strings on your Dad's guitar. If there are already metal strings on it, you could still put a light gauge metal set on it, (less tension, you know,) or a set of Silk & Steel, (less tension than all metal.) If the bridge pins look brittle, you can order new bridge pins. I've never done it myself, but I browsed the web a little, and found you can purchase a set without paying too much.
If you want to put on nylon, you could put light or med tension strings on. Again - make sure the nylon ones you choose say "ball end."

Whatever guitar(s) you put nylon strings on, you can experiment with light and med tensions. The Med tension will give a louder volume.

The steel string that lasts longest is the phosphor-bronze strings. They are also the stiffest, so go with a light gauge if you get them.
Otherwise try Silk & Steel (easy on the fingers.)

Confused? Well, if you don't like whatever you try, you're not stuck with them forever! You can always change them after two-three months.

I don't know what price range you want to try, but I would suggest mid range - definitely not the cheaper ones.
That's quite a site! I'm not familiar with all the brands, so instead of recommending a particular brand, I would look for a nylon or metal string in a particular price range, and light gauge for metal,lt or med for nylon.

In conclusion, my recommendations:
Nylon (Lt or Med) or Silk & Steel light for your Dad's guitar.

Nylon (Lt or Med) for your Alvarez.

Metal (phosphor-bronze light) for your "other guitar"

And for an extra something, if you want, get a different metal combination - your choice.

I don't know if I've been very much help this time, or confused you more, but there are so many GOOD choices on that site, I don't think you can go wrong.

Hope you find some good strings that you are satisfied with!

Julie

My Dad's guitar has nylon strings on it now which is why I was going to go with those again.

I decided on nylon medium, nylon light, silk and steel(light?) and metal/phosphor-bronze light.

Now I've got to find a site that lists all that info and has those strings with ball ends.

Thanks for all of your help and for being so patient with me!

I am not hard to please, but am anxious to order some new strings as my Alvarez has very old and worn out strings and in need of some replacements.

I really need to be ordering Christmas gifts for everyone else instead of ordering strings for my guitars...oh well.

Kt

Nice Silent Night video!

I'll get off here, and hope that you read it before you order!

J.

I found a light gauge nylon set for you:
Savarez 520 B White Traditional classical Nylon - low tension.

J.

J.

I only found light tension nylon strings in the tie (plain) end nylons.

If the descriptions don't give the gauges, then they are regular/normal/medium tension.

You don't really need light gauges in the nylons anyway, since the mediums will be easy enough to work with your fingers.

It's been so long since I've bought ball end nylons. I only use the tie ends on my classical.

Let me know what you purchased (if you already did), and if you haven't sent in your order yet, maybe you'd want to purchase two different brands of nylon ball ends, both med tension, to see which you like best. Keep in mind, even if you buy two sets of the exact same kind, they may sound different on two different guitars, simply because of the quality of the wood.

And there I go again, getting you more confused, I suppose.
I have to run, but please keep me posted on your decision....

Julie

Great idea ordering two different brands of nylon medium tension to see which I like better. Yes, I have noticed that different guitars give you different tones/sounds from the same strings. My Dad's Gibson has a very nice sound to it...I guess it's the older or dryer wood, I don't know, but it sounds very nice.

OK, now I think I'll get two nylon sets(medium tension) of different brands, one set of silk and steel(light or medium?), and a fourth set of metal/phosphor-bronze light.

Now if I can just find these all on one site...

Thanks for being so very helpful!

I'll look these up and get back here before I order.

Kt

Anyway, it doesn't say if they are ball end. Right beside those strings, are some La Bella Silk and Steel Acoustic Guitar Strings Light, but also doesn't say ball end, or not.

Now, I can't even find the nylons...am I totally helpless or what??

I'll keep searching and get back here...again...

Kt

Re: the metal strings - Anyway, it doesn't say if they are ball end. Right beside those strings, are some La Bella Silk and Steel Acoustic Guitar Strings Light, but also doesn't say ball end, or not. All of the metal strings (including the Silk & Steel) are ball end.
It's the nylon sets that you have to choose ball end.

Silk and Steel - get the lights.

I'll check back here later.

Julie

Here's where I am. On the Strings and Beyond website, I took your professional advice and chose the La Bella Elite Folksinger Classical Guitar Strings Silver/Clear.

Second, I picked La Bella Silk and Steel Acoustic Guitar Strings Light.

Third set: La Bella Phosphor Bronze Acoustic Guitar Strings Light.

Fourth set: Ernie Ball Ernesto Palla Classical Guitar Strings Nylon.

Fifth: D'Addario EJ Ball End Nylon Folk Guitar Strings Normal Tension, just to make free shipping. I'll always use them.

What do you think? Should I try another site with same or similar brands?

Kt

Extra Light
Custom Light
Light
Light–Medium
Medium

Kt

I think this site is great, and I think I will order a bunch for myself, just to stock up. I desperately need a set for my 12-string! I'm off work Wed-Fri, and plan on collapsing Fri, after cooking a huge turkey dinner for relatives. Friday should be a great day for browsing for strings.

Oh, and BTW, if you ever get the wrong set of strings delivered - for instance plain/tie end instead of ball end, don't return them. I could use them, and we could always make a trade. In fact, I will order a set of ball end nylons just in case. (I can use tie ends or ball ends on my classical.)

Julie

J.

I replaced the D'Addario EJ Ball End Nylon Folk Guitar Strings Normal Tension, with Dean Markley ball end nylon classical. Thanks.

...we could always make a trade.

Great idea!, and it already had crossed my mind. I didn't want to impose, but I would have asked you anyway if you wanted them, that is, IF I received strings with tie ends which I can not use.

Thanks for all of your expert help!

And don't worry, you didn't confuse me with your earlier posts from last night. Believe me, it can be quite misleading or maybe just plain hard to understand when I start reading about all the different string types. I'm still a little dizzy, but definitely not from your help, which was very useful to me. Many Many Thanks!!

Now, I can't wait!

Kt

Anyway, I found four sets of strings I want from the "StringItUp" site. I easily found four sets that will bring me up past $39 for free shipping. The 12-string set alone costs $20.99 (yikes!)
I also found a set of ball end nylons - Ernie Ball Earthwood that I will order, just in case they mess up part of your order and send you some plain ends. Then we could trade.

Well now, I'm excited for you!
I assume you've changed strings before, but if you have any Qs about changing strings, don't hesitate to ask!
Some people say you should only change one string at a time, leaving the others tightened so you have something to tune the new ones to.
It's also O.K. to take them all off at once, loosening them slowly and gently relieving the tension on the neck. When they're all off, that's a good time to clean/polish your instrument.

If you have trouble getting the bridge pins out, let me know.

Well all that searching was lots of fun! My brain was a little rusty concerning the types of strings, and you did a good job asking just the right questions that jogged my memory from the good old days when I played in public. I was constantly changing strings back then!

Hope you are well satisfied with your purchases!

Julie;)

Some things I just can't teach myself...;)

SoundRoom

Kt

The SoundRoom was cool!
But I would have also liked to hear some nylon strings. Maybe they will add some examples in the future. I see they used a Taylor acoustic guitar. I've heard Taylor is a superb make. But I wouldn't judge what I hear online, because everyone's computer speakers will sound different, and strings will sound different on other guitar makes. Still, I suppose it's a great selling feature.

I just placed my string order, but not with StringItUp. some of the sets I wanted were out of stock. The Strings and Beyond had some I wanted, but I found some of the same brands on the Just Strings site that were a little cheaper. However, no free shipping. But $6.95 isn't bad for shipping . I ought to be well stocked up on strings for a while.

Have been working (a few minutes here, a few minutes there) on re-writing Classical Gas on my "Finale Notepad" music notation program. My original copy was faded. Remember those mimeograph machine days? Quite obsolete now.
Also, I'm trying to lengthen the song by adding some variations - fun stuff to do during the winter months.

Let me know when your order arrives, and if they shipped you the right stuff:)

Julie

When I went to change the 'D'Addario EJ Ball End Nylon Folk Guitar Strings' to 'Dean Markley ball end nylon classical' I accidentally copied the 'D'Addario EJ Classic Folk Nylon Guitar Strings Normal Tension' by mistake and sent it in before I realized that I ordered the wrong ones. It was corrected to 'D'Addario EJ Ball End Nylon Folk Guitar Strings'.

I still wanted the 'Dean Markley' but I received and sent their reply email from work and couldn't remember nor have the time to look up the number or make so I just ordered the D'Addario.

I also ordered a new slide. I wanted to ask you which you prefer? I like the glass slides, but they didn't give sizes, so I ordered the porcelain slide.

If I can't use any strings, I'll send them to you.

Anxiously awaiting...

Kt

I purchased a set of Fender nylon ball end strings with my order. If you get a set of tie end strings by mistake, we could trade. If your order comes through just fine, I can use the ball ends as is, or I could cut the balls off and use as plain ends if I want.

I also ordered a new slide. I wanted to ask you which you prefer?
Guess what, Kt, I don't know how to use a slide!
Never learned, although I've always wanted to!
That's a whole new art form in itself!
I just watched a video on YouTube featuring a lesson on using a slide in a blues song. Then I went to another site that describes the use of a slide in detail. It looks like I would have to tune my guitar to an open G tuning, or some other chord.

I guess if you're used to using a slide, I'll be the one asking YOU questions if I ever start experimenting. I guess it would be a good idea to get a techniques book along with a slide, should I persue the idea.

What song(s) do you use your slide on? And do you re-tune you guitar to the open G tuning or not?

Julie

Back in college, a friend played in a band and used a slide which got me started. However, he played electric guitar, but never mentioned the open G tuning. I never changed the tuning on my guitar either.

I used the slides on my acoustic guitar and only played short bits of songs. I never learned to use them a lot as that was about the time that I put my guitar away for many years. Destiny sent me in other directions and guitar playing was on the far back burner for many years.

I started playing the slide using my ring finger, but then changed to using my little(pinky or fourth) finger, since I found it easier to play notes with the first three fingers.

I want to start using a slide again, as it adds variety to the music that I can play.

Sure wish I had my new strings...

Kt

There's a music store in Racine that might carry slides. I'll have to check it out, now that you've got me interested.

Waiting, waiting, waiting for those strings.
I just got an e-mail Wed. saying that my order was received, but not shipped yet.

Jule

J

Kt