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| I needed to order more seeds of my favorites, and because no one site had all of them and due to required minimums and shipping charges (I didn't want to pay 5.00 shipping for one or two packs) I ended up ordering a number of varieties on my wish list, and much more than I can plant in one year. I can only plant about 10 of these in my garden. I am looking for (in this order) 1. TASTE! I like to have a couple sweet but more "acidic", strong tomato flavors 2. Prolific so that I can give some away, can plenty of quarts and still have all I can eat. And, all other things being equal, I would slightly favor early rather than late season varieties since I am in zone 5b-6a, and some seasons are shorter than others. I would not sacrifice the best tasting for it, though. I have starred the ones I have planted and they are some of my favorites so far. I need to choose a few from the rest that I have never tried, and/or replace the ones I have grown in the past with varieties that taste even better or equally as good but are more productive. I am really intrigued by the new Cherokee Purple Heart, and I have loved the hearts I have tried so far. Its difficult because I really think I have compiled an all star list here, lol. I could also add a few more to the 10 if any were appropriate for large pots (20 inch diameter and 18 inches high). *Wes* *Kosovo* *Kelloggs Breakfast* *Brandywine Sudduth* *Reif Red Heart* *Anna Russian* (?container) Brandywine, OTV *Danko* *Cherokee Purple* Cherokee Purple Heart Brad's Black Heart Black Krim Hillbilly Lescana Mortgage Lifter, Estlers Stump of the World Russian 117 Anna Maria's Heart Marianna's Peace Pruden's Purple Soldacki Grubs Mystery Green Sophie's choice (? container) Aunt Ruby's German Green Great White Eva Purple Ball Cherokee Green Anna's Noir German Red Strawberry Box Car Willie Caspian Pink Omar's Lebanese Dr. Carolyn Orange Russian 117 Linnie's Oxheart Fish Lake Oxheart Beefsteak-Heirloom Orange Minsk (?container) Orange Strawberry Cherokee Chocolate Opalka Black Cherry Italian Heirloom |
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| I haven't grown most of those. Of the ones I have grown, mortgage lifter estlers and kosovo had great taste and excellent yield in 25-gallon containers in my zone. I was very disappointed in the yield I got from Marianna's peace, soldacki, Omar's Lebanese and opalka. |
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- Posted by carolyn137 z4/5 NY (My Page) on Sat, Jan 12, 13 at 18:59
| Sue, I know of the Cherokee Purple Heart and to which seed company it's been sent but I didn't know it had been listed for public sales, so could you please tell me which seed co you got it from , hoping it's the same one I already know of. it's kind of funny in a way b'c in my current seed offer elsewhere I'm offering Indian Stripe Heart and in the Spring I was told about the Cherokee Purple Heart one. Cherokee Purple has gone on to spawn several different colored ones but Indian Stripe, its relative, has not, at least not yet. LOL I can get back to your list, but not now, just too rushed for time. Carolyn |
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| Sure, Carolyn, the Cherokee Purple Heart Seeds are coming from Victory Seeds. Now you all have to promise not to rush over there and order them all before they fill the order I just placed today, so that I don't get any, lol. |
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| Carolyn, is the IS Heart available commercially yet? I would love to try that also, although I am not part of your seed offer. I have never actually cracked the code to determine where it is, lol, and I am probably not a member anyway. But I would happily pay for the seed if it is offered commercially. |
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| I havent had all on your list, but in terms of taste, I would include black krim. Of the 20 or so varieties I grew last year, it came in #1 overall among all my neighbors who tried it. It was relatively early and relatively prolific for me as well. If any on your list had to come off, I would remove kelloggs breakfast as it didnt do nearly as well in neighborhood taste tests, plus is much later to ripen than black krim. Also, if you do want to try something in a container, I would go with Sophie's Choice. I havent grown it personally, but I know someone who did - it was a little nubbin of a plant and seemed to take to the container just fine. |
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| Grow the Estlers Mortgage Lifter and save the seeds because you can't buy it anywhere I can find. |
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| That is interesting Cdon, and I wonder how much location has to do with it? KB is my current Favorite tomato, and last week when I asked at work who wanted tomato plants this year, it was the only one specifically requested, and by several people. I have never tried Black Krim, but it is high on my list. I will probably only grow one black, though, and it is a close call between BK, Brad's and the novelty of the new heart shaped CP. I have heard a lot of raves about both BK and Brad's but have never grown either one. Helenh, I am surprised by the lack of seed availability because it was not hard to find a couple of years ago, but you are right, it is not listed at any of the sites I ordered from this year. That does mean it may go up on my list. I have never saved seed, but I could try and I do have a coworker I share seed with who regularly saves them, I may enlist her help. I wonder if it will be plentiful again next year if people grown it out this year to replenish their supplies? I was not super impressed with ML I grew several years ago but I was not growing my own plants from seed then and planted whatever strain I found as plants locally. I do love the new edit feature. I can now go back and update my list with varieties that may be appropriate for containers, which is quite helpful. |
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| Sue, I have grown only 16 of the tomatoes on your list; of those, I would put Stump of the World #1 in flavor. I've read that it's similar to Brandywine, but has better production. (I can't confirm that personally, since I am Brandywine-cursed. I've tried growing it four times now, and have yet to get a single Brandywine tomato.) For me, Stump of the World production is good, but not great. |
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| Seeker11, I am sad about your Brandywine experience. It is usually late for me, but I get good production from it, not great, but good. I don't know where you live but z6 is usually a sweet spot area for it. Many people have trouble, and a lot seem to be in hotter, more humid climates. #1 in flavor is high praise for that list, I think. 16 of those is almost half and obviously a lot more than I have grown. At 10-15 per year depending on how many I put in pots, it will take me quite a while to grow them all. |
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| I think I will relegate Anna Russian to a pot, since I love the taste but production was pretty poor 2 years in a row, and it never got much over 4 ft tall for me. Orange Minsk probably, too, since I am trying new seeds and it has been very disease prone. Maybe it will do better in a pot with less crowding. It has been so bad I have wondered if there could be seed born disease. I will try it in a pot with new seed and that will probably tell. |
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- Posted by carolyn137 z4/5 NY (My Page) on Sun, Jan 13, 13 at 22:02
| Sue, Cherokee Purple Heart was supposed to go to Mike at Victory seeds and someone elsewhere said that so I went there to take a look to see, and it's what I call a blunt heart,like Wes orRussian #117,not tapered to a point like Kosovo and German Red Strawberry. Indian Stripe Heart I'm offering new in this seed offer and don't think I SSE listed it b;c of so few seeds and I won't be sending seeds out for it to the owners of seed sites where I know them well and trust them, for another month or so. So no,no commercial source although there ar fe several seed site owners who are participating in my current seed offer and I can then skip them, b'c I have very few seeds. Last year I offered an Indian Stripe PL. I'm also offering an Orange Minsk Heart, which is also a blunt heart. I've been blessed with many versions of original varieties by many folks,and right now I can't tell you how many brand new ones have come my way for this season.You know that I'm dependent on othes for seed production and Craig in Raleigh raises all my plants for me and someone has to take care of them and all the gardening here at home. I've grown most on your list but just don't have time to comment on them right now. Maybe when things get a bit more quiet around here we'll see, but don't wait for me to comment. LOL Carolyn |
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| Thanks Carolyn, I understand this must be a busy time for you. Many on my list are there because you recommended them. :) I will still be here when and if you get around to it. I will just wait for the IS heart to be offered commercially, as you can see I have enough to keep me in seeds for a year or so. I am not going to start seeds for some time yet anyway. But although this is a very busy time for you, in most years this day dream time for me and my garden. This year, being a nurse, the flu epidemic is wearing me out a tad, but I still find planning my summer garden to be nice R&R on my day off. |
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| I guess there are not many people other than Carolyn, and Seeker11 who have grown many of these (16 is quite a few). I appreciate the responses about the ones you are familiar with, and I will take all of your opinions into consideration! :) Thank you! |
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| Hi Sue, I meant to get back to this thread and comment on some other varieties, but things got really hectic around here. I did indeed intend high praise for Stump of the World; it is my all-time favorite tomato. However, I like pretty much all of the tomatoes on your list that I have tried. If you like strong, "acidic" flavor, I'd recommend replacing Sophie's Choice with Silvery Fir Tree. Sophie's Choice is good, but for me has always been on the mild side.(Sorry; I realize the last thing you want is a recommendation for yet another tomato, especially one you don't have seeds for). I would drop all paste tomatoes from the list; IMHO, German Red Strawberry (and most other hearts) are great for paste, and taste way, way better. Marianna's Peace also has always been a bit on the mild side for me. My Brandywine curse has generally not been weather-related. One year (long ago) I ordered plants from a well-known nursery. I later got a letter from them apologizing and saying that the plants they had sent out were not Brandywine (they also refunded my money and sent a gift certificate, so I have no complaints there, just disappointment). One year, all my plants died from disease before I got any tomatoes. Something has gone wrong every time I've tried to grow them. I finally gave up. Your list, IMO, is a very good one. I don't think you can go wrong, no matter which ones you pick. Good luck! Paula |
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| Hello Sue, I agree with Paula that you have a very nice list. Taste is always so subjective, so I tend not to give recommendations based on it. I've had many a tomato that others rave over that I found was average to me. Growing conditions can affect flavor a great deal. I've had tomatoes that I wouldn't have grown again, except that I grew them before and they were very good to excellent in previous years. I try to give all my tomatoes a second (& sometimes third) chance if they are marginal the first year(s) I grow them. I've grown several of the ones on your list, and some of them last year. But we had a cold rotten spring that went straight to the upper 90s range, so what I got from my garden were mostly cherries and small early season tomatoes. So bear in mind, "Your mileage may vary." Wes - Most around one pound, good flavor, later in season so had many green at frost. I hope that helps. Betsy |
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| Wow, thank you bets, for taking the time to comment on so many! I fortunately had a pretty good year last year and was able to can again for the first time in 3 years. Those descriptions will help, since I want to limit the late season varities to about half the plants or a little more if I can. I always try to make sure I have at least 1 or 2 early and a couple of mid seasons. That way, I can get some production no matter when the good tomato weather comes. Seeker11, lol, you right the last thing I need right now is another tomato to buy seeds for. :) I will remember it when I do need to reorder my standards, though. I do like strong acid tomatoes, as well as a few sweet ones for different purposes, but I don't seek out the milder ones. If German Red Strawberry is good for canning and cooking I need to include that one. I tend to get a lot of brandywines and KB late in season when its canning time, and KB is great for taste but both are a little more juicy than would be ideal for canning and I end up with half a jar of tomato water. |
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| OK, its planting time! I am starting a week or so later this year and will see how it goes. I want garden ready plants by May 15--20th. So far my list is as follows: In the garden: Repeats New to me: In large pots: I would love to include Hillbilly, Omar's Lebanese and Box Car Willie, but have limited space. I am not sure if I should substitute one or more of the potted plants for Danko or Donskoi. If you would recommend changing any of these out for others on the list, please give me your opinions. I am going to start planting hopefully tomorrow and do some more next Monday and Tuesday since I am working all weekend. I hope to be finished by then. I really appreciate all the help I have received. Wish I had the time and energy to expand the garden. |
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| Shoot, looks like I have mostly late season varieties. I may need to substitute Ananas Noire, which I think is mid season and I have wanted to try, with one of the late season varieties and switch one other late season with an early or mid season. Is Mortgage Lifter as good as the others? I have not been wowed in the past but only tried it a couple of times and never the Estlers. I don't want to wait until August for my first tomato, or have a short season and get hardly any. I would really like at least one early and one or two mid season in the garden, but the other 5 can be late. Still open to suggestions. |
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