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Next Season Tomato Planting Plans -part II

Posted by seysonn 7b WA/HZ 1 (My Page) on
Thu, Mar 6, 14 at 1:31

The first thread is giving blue signal, meaning it is full and besides, it is getting harder to reach its bottom. So I decided to start a fresh thread. This is actually the time that most of us either have started germinating or at least have decided and bought the seeds already.

So lets talk tomatoes;

I start with my own DEFINITE plan: (No ifs and buts here)
I am growing the followings: They have all germinated and have their cotyledon leaves already. For the record I started them on Feb. 26. Here they are in alpha order:

== BLOODY BUTCHER
== BUSH STEAK
== CHEROKEE PURPLE
== COSTALUTO
== EARLY TREAT
== GREEN ZEBRA
== KUMATO
== LEGEND
== MATINA
== PINEAPPLE
== SIBERIA
== SILETZ
== SILVERY FIR TREE
== STRIPY (?)
== SUNGOLD
== unknown - brown/purple

Now your turn.


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Nice work, lots of variety there....


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Estlers Mortgage Lifter, Cherokee Purple, Indian Stripe, Mr Stripey, Burpees Orange Slice, Old Fashioned Goliath, Parks Whopper, Choc Cherry, Sweet Million, Sungold....total about 60 plants individually staked and suckered to three or four stems. Frothing at the mouth to get started...will seed my tomatoes about first of April.


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Help!!!! I need to get this list down to 9 maters, (Wife's orders)~~alto She says a max of 6 plants, but I want an "Even dozen" so I think a "compromise" at 9 is what I can get away with, LOL!

Anyway, Here is my list, some of them I have grown before and had good luck with~~~hence they are on the list!

Black Krim, Brandywine Red, Brandyboy, Cuostralee, Giant Belgium, Green Giant, Hillbilly, Neves Azorean Red,
Kelloggs Breakfast, Virginia Sweets, Chapman
Cherokee Purple, Omars Lebanese.

Are some of these sooo "similar" that I should drop one?
(Cherokee purple and Black Krim), for example.
(I will be buying all "Live Plants"), I hope!!!
Is KBX enough better than Kelloggs Breakfast to merit the extra work I would have to use to find a KBX Plant?

Feel free to add/subtract from my list, criticize or whatever!

Sunday May 9th, 2014

Gotomato, LLC. commented on your post.
Gotomato, LLC. wrote: "The event will be a How to Tomato 101 class. I will share my 30 years experience covering, soil preparation, watering, pruning, plant selection, Heirloom tomatoes and varieties, organic growing practices, insects, diseases and much more. See you there!"


So I will be looking forward to meeting him and will seek his inputs and report back here with Same!

Thanks, in advance.

We are not "Space Challenged", have a 3rd of an acre, My "Challenge" is the wife, who does not want the work than more than 6 maters encompass!

Thanks "In Advance"!

Gary


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I agree that Black Krim and Cherokee Purple are similar. I'd drop BK.

I never had any luck with Kellog's Breakfast, even though a friend down the road raved about it (and gave me the seedling). I wasn't thrilled about the flavor and it wasn't productive at all.

I grew Oma's Lebanese one year, but never again. For me, the large beefsteaks don't do so well.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Linda


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I also second dropping BK.
On the rest all I can say is to have variety, in size, color, shape, earliness. So then ;How many beefsteaks you want ? I would choose one. One cherry. SUNGOLD is good. I like hillbilly bi-color. It is a departure from all solid colors. Keep GREEN GIANT. Drop Brandywine, keep Brandy Boy instead. I have heard a lot of good thing about BB. I will never again grow Brandywine.

Another point is: Since you are going to buy plants, How can you be sure that you will find everything you want? Unless you buy them by mail order.


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Dodge are you from Kansas? It is a good idea to put your state and zone on your member page. Where you live makes a difference. I would keep both Black Krim and Cherokee P. both good tomatoes. Do you like green when ripe tomatoes or just want to see. You have two bicolors and no small tomatoes. Sometimes if it is hot or rainy or buggy, it is good to have a small tomato that will pump out tomatoes no matter what. I really doubt you will find those you mentioned in a store. Add a salad sized tomato or smaller tomato for insurance. Your wife should not be bothered by your tomatoes. Why can't you do the work involved? Clean up your own mess and don't bother to can if that is the problem. You can make salsa yourself and freeze it - Annie's salsa. Clean up your mess if you make one.


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  • Posted by qaguy Sunset 21/LosAngeles (My Page) on
    Thu, Mar 6, 14 at 21:53

I'll go get my plants at my favorite nursery in late March.
Plant out date will be Apr 1....just because.

I'll definitely get the following:

Brandywine (Sudduth)
Cherokee Purple
Kellog's Breakfast
Lemon Boy
Super Sweet 100
Momotaro
Selbo's ribbed red cherry

and two of the following:

Neves Azorean Red
Red Penna
Chapman
OTV Brandywine
Cuostralee
Druzba
Red Brandywine
Box Car Willie
Mule Team
Aker's West Virginia

Don't know which of these will be in stock, so I don't know
what I'll end up with. But they're all on my definite maybe
list.


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  • Posted by dodge59 9, Orange County CA (My Page) on
    Fri, Mar 7, 14 at 8:07

Thanks for the responses.
Last year I bought all my plants from Laurels Tomatoes, She is in Southern California, (as I am), Orange County to be exact.

Last year Laurels had every plant I wanted except Giant Belgium, and she was able to get me one.

This year we are going to a local nursery, (Blue Hills in La Habra) that is hosting "Gotomato". They have a really good selection of "OP tomato Plants", and I hope they have most the ones, we finally decide on. Any that they do not have, I will buy from Laurel or another on-line source.

Hence on of my questions about KBX, it could be a "Real Challenge" to find that tomato as a live plant.

Gary


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  • Posted by arley 7b/8a SC (My Page) on
    Fri, Mar 7, 14 at 9:20

Got seedlings going for Omar's Lebanese, Neves Azorean Red, Wes, Chapman, Red Penna, KBX, Stump o' the World, Marianna's Peace, Paul Robeson, Spudatula, Rebel Yell and Super Sioux. The only paste tomato I'm planting is San Marzano Redorta. I have planted (but they haven't yet sprouted) Rose de Berne along with the only cherry tom I'm planting,Tommy Toe. I got some seeds for Moravsky Div, but none of them germinated.

Of those, the only ones I've grown before are Stump o the world and Marianna's Peace, both of which tasted great but weren't so hot on production--but I'm learning, maybe I had them too close together last year. Trying to see what varieties do best in this climate. I generally put the tomatoes out around tax day. If I try to go any sooner, they don't do anything until the soil warms up anyway.

FWIW, I grew Black Krim last year, and liked the productivity and flavor, but they seemed more prone to cracking than other varieties. YMMV.

This post was edited by arley on Fri, Mar 7, 14 at 9:23


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Dodge, I have some extra KBX plants, started Feb 3rd and all of my seedlings look great, but I'm not willing to ship. Of the 1100 plants I have started todate most are hybrid varieties but I'm getting ready for the second series in which I'll have all 232 varieties of heirloom/heritage tomatoes that I grow represented.
There are some people who come from over 100 miles away to buy plants; one grower has ordered over 1000 tomato and pepper plants which will require a number of long trips to transport. The planning going into various aspects of that one order has me concerned if I want to ever do it again. I've never worried before to this extent about the details of exact seeding dates, anticipated germination rates or supplies needed.

I envy those of you who deliberate between starting the Black Krim or Cherokee Purple plant.


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Finally nailed down my grow list:

Green Zebra
Kellogg's Breakfast
Cherokee Purple
Pruden's Purple
German Pink
Armenian
Anna Russian
Opalka
San Marzano Redorta
Italian Heirloom
Pantano Romanesco
Neves Azorian Red
Big Beef OP
Stupice
German Red
Yellow Brandywine

Starting For others:

Big Boy
Early Girl
Roma
Black Krim
Porterhouse
Supersteak
Superbeefsteak
Rutgers

Probably start some next weekend as I can't stand waiting any longer than that. I might stagger it out over two weeks and have some backups in case things go horribly wrong.


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  • Posted by qaguy Sunset 21/LosAngeles (My Page) on
    Fri, Mar 7, 14 at 20:55

dodge59 - thanks for mentioning Gotomato at Blue Hills.

I met Steve Goto a number of years ago. Very nice guy
with tons of tomato knowledge. Glad to hear he's still
around.

He held a tomato tasting at the LA County Arboretum. I've
never tasted so many different tomatoes at one time in
my life. There were at least 5 tables of goodies. He had
(I think) three people there cutting tomatoes constantly
to keep the plates filled.


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Full Steam Ahead.

In most gardening zones, seeds are sown. In some Northern states and Canada, still there is a window of time, depending on how early or late one like to get it started.

I started the remainder of mato seeds on Feb 27. Now they are potted into 4.5" round pots and growing true leaves under light. I am just missing two varieties: i.e. Mortgage Lifter and a Red Cherry. I could not find the seeds for them off the rack. I will probably get them as plants, when the time comes.

We are still 3 to 4 weeks away from plant out here(LFD). April 1st will be the testing time. If the long range forecast looked good, I will then move the seedlings outside and start hardening them off.

Let us hear and see how your plans are coming along.

seysonn


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Well, we got the list Finalized.

I bought 4 tomato plants from the Blue Hills nursery and they are in the ground.
They are:
Black Krim, Brandywine Red, Kelloggs Breakfast and Omar's Lebanese~~The plants look great!!!

Then we gave Laurel, (Of Laurel's Heirloom Tomatoes) a call and ordered the Following:
Cuostralee, Green Giant, Hillbilly, Neves Azorian Red & (per her suggestion) Brandywine OTV. Laurel says it is better than Brandwine Red, and her write up on the OTV says Dr. Caroline was "Involved in that tomato"~~~~please feel free to "Elucidate on that", if you care to Dr. Caroline.

Laurel did not have the Giant Belgium tomato which always does well for me and I luv the taste and size, nor did She have Virginia Sweets~~~but~~~~She said She would grow them for me then ship them, probably take about 8 weeks~~~~No problem we have a long growing season here in Southern California, (near Disneyland).
Laurel is great to deal with and I find her plants to be of the highest quality and well packaged and shipped.

The Gotomato presentation was very good, last Sunday at Blue Hills Nursery. Quite a crowd turned out! Most of the things He covered, I have learned here from you good folks, alto there was a "Surprise", at least for me, about our soil here. It has a lotta salt and you have to use a lotta mulch to combat it!!!! Steve Goto said that is the cause of a lotta tomatoe plants not doing as well as they could because of the leached out salt!

Anyway, I have not bothered to count how many tomatoes I have ordered, (and I sure hope the wife doesn't), but even if She does, we are only about 3 years away from our Golden Wedding Anniversary and I thinks She wants to stay "Peared Up", at least till then???

I did install a drip watering system too!

I will keep good notes as to how each tomato does, size, taste, production, How long the plant lasted~~~etc etc, that way (Hopefully) I can be of some help to folks pondering which tomatoes to buy for 2015.

I will buy a couple of cherry tomatoes, luv them in salads and for just "Poppin' in the mouth".

Also I do want to find a Brandyboy, as I've heard so many good things about it.
It will be "Interesting" to compare the 3 Brandywines, (or 2 and the "semi-brandywine"), Ya thinks?

Gary


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  • Posted by qaguy Sunset 21/LosAngeles (My Page) on
    Tue, Mar 11, 14 at 0:30

Gary

The 'surprise' to you was also a surprise to me. I never knew
about us having high salt content here in SoCal.

I'm curious though. How does mulch help the salt leach
situation? Did Steve go into that?

I do mulch and have for years. So there's
nothing new for me to do, thank goodness.

I have noticed what I now know is salt on the top of my
garden beds when they get very dry.


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What kind of salt ? Do you mean table salt (sodium chloride) ?

Anyway, where does the salt come from ? is it in your native soil or in the water ?


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As far as mulch goes, "The more the Merrier",gaguy!

My best tomato year, (most tomatoes/plant and largest sizes), were the first year I grew tomatoes, (about 10 years ago). I had my gardener rototill in great quantities of mulch and the tomatoes really responded to it.

Next year I did add some mulch but not near the amount the gardener did the previous year & I did NOT use a rototiller. The tomatoes, that year were not nearly as good as the first year and every year after that, production and size declined. I figured it was just diseases getting into the soil.

Last year I started the tomatoes in a different area, but I did not have the gardener rototill in copious amounts of mulch, I just added some, and mixed it up with the soil using a shovel. Last year was probably the best year since the first year I planted tomatoes in the other area I mentioned, but still nothing like that first year.

Fast forward to this year. I had my gardener rototill in "tons" of mulch in the area I used last year. We will have to wait until the 2014 season gets going to see the results of my efforts, and as I mentioned, I intend to keep a good log of results, on this year's production.

As I recall, seysonn, or maybe I "missed it", Steve (Gotomato) did not go into a lot of detail on how the salt got here. If you study "plate tectonics" you will find that California was once under the ocean.

Some areas of Calif are worse than others as far as salt goes, (take the extreme SE corner of Calif, for example).
Calexico, Brawley, El Centro~~~~~they grow a lot of vegetables & fruits there, and after irrigating for a few years the salt leaches up and really becomes a problem.

Some of the salt, I'm sure does come from our water here.
It is VERY High in Sodium, I used to sell and service equipment that would measure Sodium, and I don't recall any numbers, (I retired in 2005), but I remember when I measured the salt content out of our faucets, it was very high.

I hope this answers most of your questions? Gotomato is on facebook, and in fact that is how I first contacted him (Steve). So one could find him on facebook and ask him to "Elucidate on the salt problem for Calif Tomatoes".

Gary


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  • Posted by qaguy Sunset 21/LosAngeles (My Page) on
    Tue, Mar 11, 14 at 23:33

Gary

I was planning on doing that if you didn't have an answer.
I was in touch with him a couple of years ago and he was
quite helpful.

When you say mulch, are you referring to compost? Anything
can be a mulch. I use all my grass clippings for my mulch
and dig it in every year when the season is over. Seems
to work quite well.

I'm sure you'll see quite an improvement this year. I dug
in lots of compost and lots of coffee grounds last winter
in addition to the regular grass clippings and I had a bumper crop.


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When you say mulch, are you referring to compost? Anything
can be a mulch.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

You are right. There are all kinds of mulch. But I don't consider compost a mulch. One of the functions of mulch is weeds prevention. Compost is more like soil that any weed can grow in it REAL GOOD. Another role of mulch is moisture retention. Again, compost does not qualify for that.


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My bad, I should have said compost.

My gardener buys the "bulk stuff", not in bags~~~~He had a truckload full. He said it was "Especially for fruits & veggies".

As seysonn says, It does not "look to me" that the compost has any moisture retention properties and that's good as we have lousy clay soil here and from all I've read, tomatoes don't like their toes in too much water!

Gary


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I know I posted on the last thread but I narrowed my selections down a bit and I have already started growing my seedlings, so these are the varieties that I will definitely be putting in my garden this year.

Amana Orange
Eva Purple Ball
Northern Lights
Black Krim
Black Cherry
Purple Dog Creek
Honey
German Lunchbox
German Johnson
Grandma Viney's Yellow and Pink
Zeke Dishman
Minnie's Pinstripe
Lenny and Gracie's Kentucky Heirloom
Brandywine
Pineapple
Cosmonaut Volkov
Aunt Ruby's German Green
Grant County Pink
Isis Candy
Reisentraube
Tommy Toe
Dr. Wyche's Yellow
An Unknown orange variety that I saved seeds from last year. I bought the plant at a nursery and it was supposed to be a Boxcar Willie but it turned out to be something entirely different. The plant wasn's super productive but the taste of the tomato was excellent. It was my favorite tomato last year! Hopefully it is an heirloom and grows true to seed. It was medium sized, flattened, slightly ribbed and the orangest tomato I have ever seen. It was almost a neon orange. The taste was very sweet and fruity and it was meaty with few seeds.
Sun Sugar (I will be buying it at a nursery)


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  • Posted by babyg Snst 20/21 (mountnto (My Page) on
    Mon, Mar 17, 14 at 21:38

So... I may be finished planting! It's been several years since I've had a garden...I'm so excited for tomatoes!!! I built three new raised beds of layered compost this year, two beds for tomatoes & their companions, and one more bed for other stuff.

I Have:
** Aunt Ruby's German Green (which may not make it, b/c my baby ripped off ALL the leaves);
** Black Krim (Black Beefsteak);
** Brandywine Red;
** Carmello (Medium Red);
** Cuostraleé (Big Red);
** Hillbilly (yellow w/red stripes);
** Mortgage Lifter;
** Stupice (early medium red, also winter);
** Sungold yellow cherry;
** Super Sweet 100 red cherry (setting fruit now!); and
** Tomatillo.

That said. Do I have enough variety?

I don't have room in the beds, but *MIGHT* be able to find places for more... I really want to try:
** Marianna's Peace (Big Pink)
** Peacevine Cherry
** Pride of Flanders (crazy black/green acidic)
** Paul Robeson (black, flat, ruffled beefsteak tomato, sets fruit in cool weather)' ** Costoluto Genovese (red ruffled)
** Brandywine O.T.V. ("OTV," not regular red pink or black)
** Sweet Baby Girl (Red Cherry)


Am I missing any entire categories I should try? Something amazing and obvious missing? Any input here?


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  • Posted by qaguy Sunset 21/LosAngeles (My Page) on
    Mon, Mar 17, 14 at 22:34

Don't see Kellogg's Breakfast in there. Or any solid
yellow/orange varieties.

I wouldn't put in any more cherry varieties.
You'll get a lot of fruit from just those two.

Otherwise, a nice selection.


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I was also interested in good size RED cherry, NOT sweet 100 type tiny things.
I was in Trader Joe's and bought some cherry tomatoes(Heirloom) And got seeds out of a red one that I am trying to germinate. The taste was ok. But there is always a difference between greenhouse grown and garden grown.

So i will have just this one and Sungold which is yellow.


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Time flies.
I started this thread back in Early March. I am growing all those listed in my original post , plus the followings:

-- Stupice (early)
-- Japanese Black Trifele
-- RC Mortgage Lifter (mid to late)
-- Red Husky Cherry
-- Large Cherry ( from store bought heirloom fruit)

Two of my tomatoes have already good size fruits: (1) Siletz (2) Bloody Butcher. Below is a picture of Siletz. Thee rest have buds, flowers and/or tiny fruits.

Let us see how your plants are doing now.


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My list has much of what others have planted:
Black cherry
sungold
SS100
Early Girl
1884
Cuostralee
Aunt Ruby's German Green
Mortgage Lifter
Cherokee Purple
Opalka x 2
Big Beefsteak,
Paul Robeson...

BUT IF FORGOT KELLOGGS BREAKFAST... actually I gave 2 of them away, thinking I planted one. So please report later on how yours turned out!

Regards,
Tom


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Interesting how similar a lot of these lists are. I guess that's a good indicator of what works! My back yard is currently sporting two plants each of the following:

Azoychka
Black Krim
Black Plum
Bloody Butcher
Early Annie
Matt's Wild Cherry
Russian 117
Stupice

I started everything from seed (Tomatofest) just about the same time as Seysonn. I'm in about the same place too, with tons of flowers and good looking fruit on both bloody butcher and Russian 117 plants. Pic is of the 117s.


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thanks nugrdnnut

This interested in another way. It is a kind of survey on varieties that are popular. So far I have encountered (NOT tabulated) the following:

== Cherokee Purple
== Sun Gold
== Sweet 100
== Mortgage Lifter
== Cuostralee
== NAR
== Stupice
== Kellogs BS
== Early Girl
== Black Krem

Those are the ones at least mentioned 3 times.
Cherokee Purple is the front runner. (Mentioned about 6 times). No varieties in this mini survey is as popular as Cherokee Purple.

Another interesting point (to me) is that very few of you out there care to grow EARLY varieties. That is where I depart. About half of what I am growing are early varieties. OK. For each their own. In my COOL climate I cannot bet on LATE varieties, cause being when they come to ripening my season comes to an end soon after. .

Here is a picture of another one of my ERALIES, Bloody Butcher. '


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