No, wherever I posted about it and I checked two places, one is not operating right now, I didn't say it was the not the right Humberto/King Humberto/Rey Humberto. Since the person asking was thee same as you, free seeds from TT.

All places selling it say about two ounces and high yielding and refer to Italy
and I threw up a bunch of links showing that some places say pink, others red, some say a point at the blossom end, others not, some say tough skins, others don't say that b'c they are selling seeds.

I've grown it as I also commented and found the skins to be tough, the taste not all that great, and Tania and others also say best for sauce, canning, but not fresh eating.

I can't transfer here any threads from another message site to here, not just me, anyone, as most of you know, but I can put a link below to a Google search for it.

Carolyn, who doesn't know the other variety you mentioned and didn't search for it.

Here is a link that might be useful: King Humberto

Sorry, Caroline. Didn't mean to put words in your fingers. The other thread just led me to believe the oldest known description and image of the "real" Umberto did not agree all that well with the current offerings.

I think Joe Lauerer came from the same source as Terhune. At least that's what I recall. It is also called German Egg sometimes. It, too, is no great shakes for taste, but two years ago when I had a really, really bad tomato year it was the only plant that kept going, so it endeared itself to me. Also, one of the grankids and his mother liked it a lot. They didn't have a lot to compare it with as that was the only plant I gave them, but as Grandpa I am required to listen to the kiddies. This year they will get at least those two plants and probably a Sungold.

Chuck