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Setting Fruit in Cold Temps

Posted by Hudson...WY Z3 (My Page) on
Fri, Apr 19, 13 at 10:29

eHow - "Extreme heat or cold causes tomato blossoms to drop prematurely from the plant. Tomatoes prefer temperatures between 55 and 85 degrees Fahrenheit, with temperatures no higher than 70 Fahrenheit at night. Too much heat causes the blossoms to wilt and fall from the plant, but usually causes no long-term damage other than crop delay as long as proper watering practices are still observed. The plants will produce new flowers once temperatures begin to drop. Temperatures below freezing causes the death of the entire plant, while low, non-freezing temperatures only cause a temporary loss of flowers and delay in fruiting."

Has anyone had experience setting fruit on tomato plants in cold temperatures? eHow is vague with regards to the low temps side of setting fruit. I guess it is a good sign that two out of the five tomato plant varieties that we planted (all at the same time) have developed fruit - but it seems the remaining varieties - Brandy Boy, Big Boy and German Giant - have had blossoms for a long time without any apparent changes? We are watering and feeding all the plants the same - low temps for the plants have not dropped below 40 degrees and high temps 85 degrees or lower. Do I need to maintain the low temps above a specific temperature in order for the plants to set fruit? This photo shows how the Sweet Baby Girl cherry and the Super Marzano tomato plants have set fruit - but the blossoms shown are on the German Giant plant - the Brandy Boy and Big Boy look similar.

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We are growing the tomatoes in a GH without temperature controlled heat - but attempt to keep the tomato plants from freezing (we have been able to keep them above 40 degrees) with frost blankets and light bulbs under the blanket. The plants have now out grown the protective cover and we will have to heat the GH with space heaters - I am concerned that the blossoms will not set fruit because of too cold non-freezing temperatures?


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RE: Setting Fruit in Cold Temps

First, be aware that that particular source of info is not highly regarded as accurate. Much more legit sources of info are readily available online.

As one example, I have linked the FAQ here below. Note night temps must be maintained above 55 and below 75. So 60-70 degrees at night is considered ideal. Day temps must be maintained below 90. 75-85 would be ideal.

Providing active air circulation in and around the plants to aid in pollination is also crucial for fruit set when grown indoors. Fans work well, rattling /jiggling cages, flicking blooms with the fingers, etc. all help with pollination and fruit set.

Dave

Here is a link that might be useful: Blossom Drop FAQ


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Your advice was well taken Dave - the air circulation must have helped as all five of the tomato varieties we planted set fruit on the first cluster !


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I agree that you want to try to keep your night temps elevated but the 55*F temperature may not be all that critical for most hybrid varieties you mention and certainly for the majority of cherry types. With German Giant I'd be a little more concerned about getting catfaced fruit at lower temps. There were many night this spring where I barely held above 40*F and I see no affect on fruit set. I'll agee that circulation fans serve many purposes- you can eliminate cold spots within the greenhouse and you aid pollination. I'll admit that I still hold an old electric toothbrush to the first few blossom clusters to insure fruit set (one can see the pollen cloud emitted during the process) but even clipping plants to stringline and suckering tend to create enough agitation to aid in fruit set.


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Bmoser - would you please post some photos of your tomato plants? Would like to see your vine support methods and the varieties you plant. Tks!


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These are a few shots of the greenhouse tomato plants. Shipping tags identify varieties and number planted. I guess only the one pic uploaded of later planted heirloom varieties.


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I wanted to add that if you allow continued cold night temps you will loose much of the benefit of early planting so you should strive to keep night temps close to 60*F even if you fall short on occasions.

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Awesome - thanks for the photos! I am trying to duplicate what you are doing on a much smaller scale. If your photos are recent - my plants look much like yours today - the bottom clusters are setting fruit and are about the same size. I think we were successful setting fruit in-spite of the cold nights - however - the German Giants are slower but appear to be setting. Thanks for sharing.

I would be interested to see how you prune the leaves/plants as the cluster set fruit tier after tier if you could possibly post a few photos as that happens?


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I did not get to include a photo of the earlier planted greenhouse where I have 520 tomato plants, mostly hybrids. The last photo I entered was of a Big Beef fruit cluster in that planting; those are probably 6 or more weeks from harvest. I do hope to be picking from 200 cherry/grape plants (middle rows) by the end of the month. I sucker out all branches until things get too busy (usually July) and then end up leaving a few branches on most plants. I don't cut leaves off unless they are on the plastic(ground).

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I found this to be an excellent article for GH Tomato Production and wanted to share:

http://www.uaf.edu/files/ces/publications-db/catalog/anr/HGA-00435.pdf


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Our first ripe tomatoes in 2013 - Yeah !! We pushed the plants during cold temps but they came through for us and set fruit! The other varieties are not far behind.

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Beautiful!


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Just a few thoughts on the original question of tomatoes setting fruit at low temps. There is a variety, Earlinorth, that sets fruit down to 40 degrees. If you do some serious digging, you can find several Russian varieties that have significant cold tolerance. Also, there are several varieties available in the U.S. that are modestly cold tolerant in terms of setting fruit.

I am doing some work with tomatoes to identify genes that contribute to extreme cold tolerance. I currently have 200 plants in my garden for evaluation. This includes Earlinorth, PI120256, numerous U.S. cultivars, and several Russian varieties. So far, I have seen 3 distinct traits involved in cold tolerance. One is the ability to set fruit at low temps, another is improved root efficiency, and a third is leaf tolerance to cold temps. Each trait appears to be affected by different genes.

DarJones


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Very interesting fusion_power - We have done limited research on these Russian varieties but opted to figure out ways to inexpensively as possible heat the GH to min temps - and/or start the seeds a little later next year. It seemed with what we read - the more tolerant to cold varieties came at a sacrifice - mainly fruit size and possibly flavor?

You are more knowledgeable and may know of varieties that offer both fruit set in cold temps and good fruit size/flavor? Regardless - your work identifying genes should result in improved hybrids in the future - for setting fruit in cold temperatures? It seems expanding the low and high range for setting fruit in tomatoes would help gardeners everywhere.

Is the main purpose of your research to improve the temperatures for setting fruit?


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