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Can I ask why the plants are so leggy or is that all stem you have stripped the leaves off of for some reason? I assume you plan to strip off those pots and bury all that bare stem come planting time?

How long before you can plant in the garden?

Dave

>Very nice.
Thank you.

>All you need is an auto vent opener.
Actually, I… DO have an Automatic Vent Opener (Univent).

>Can I ask why the plants are so leggy…

While a few Super Sweet 100 are leggy,

most of the others are ok, imho. As you can see above the Bush Big Boy is half the height of the Super Sweet 100. The Monster bellow is only 7’’ high. In fact that’s how they arrived from the nursery, so there is little I can do now.

I mean I had waaay leggier seedlings, and they grow ok.

>or is that all stem you have stripped the leaves off of for some reason?

Yes, I stripped off most of the leaves, because they were not pretty healthy. Here I explained what happened: Some of my tomatoes seedlings’ stems wilted.

>I assume you plan to strip off those pots and bury all that bare stem come planting time?

Well, the planting time is not very soon. I plan to grow seedlings around 3 ft high. I am able to do that by removing one by one those short 2 x 4’’ so I can lower the pots’ support.

I will strip off those pots and mixed them with soil.

I plan to do Trench Planting - L shape method: 1 ft. horizontal - for more roots - and 2 ft. high - to avoid splashing on leaves. Yes, there will be straw bail mulch too, but…

>How long before you can plant in the garden?

Not before May 15. Two days ago we had 39’ in the morning. These days is getting warmer. Probably I’ll plant after May 20. Or - weather permits - before, if the plants become too crowded. I live in Long Island, NY.

Till midday it is ok, it works fine, but when the temperature outside is higher than 60’ F, in the cold frame, the temperature can easily reach 90-100’ F, which obviously is too hot for the seedlings. In that moment I HAVE TO open the lid completely.

An example: let’s say in a nice, sunny spring day, there are 39’ F at 7 o’clock in the morning. If you have to go to work, you have two choices:

1. to leave the lid on, and in less than 2 hrs. you will have 120’ F, and 95 % humidity in the cold frame; or,
2. to open the lid: a little or completely. If you open a little, is about the same as choice # 1 above. If you open completely, the temperature will drop ABRUPTLY from around 60’ F, to 39’ F, and most likely ALL your seedlings will die.

Even if you use an Automatic Vent Opener (Univent), the max of 18’’ opening, will not be enough. In few hours the temperature in the cold frame wil reach 100+ F.

Another example: few years ago we had a macroburst - a kind of a mini-tornado - here in New York. Very heavy winds, lots of rain… Obviously if you’re not home, you can not - at least - put a cover on the cold frame, for some protection.

Now, if the lid is open, you can kiss good bye your plants.

Dave wrote: > Can I ask why the plants are so leggy…

Dave, how do you define leggy? I mean what diameter should have, in your opinion, the stem of a 8’’ high, healthy tomato seedling?

Very well engineered.

Actually, you can make it work with your auto opener. Install a small fan, maybe with a gravity louver or on the lid itself, that will ventilate the box. Put a microswitch on the edge of the lid. When the opener opens, the fan ventilates.

Also put a removable chain on the lid so the wind cannot lift it like a sail.

Also also, if you use CFL bulbs, you will get three times more light for the same amount of heat.

Good Luck,

Rick

The reason why I put that fan, was mainly to move slowly the air to reduce condensation. In the same time the leaves move so I can avoid possible diseases. The fan ONLY works during the night. During the day, while the lid is opened, fan is not useful. Light winds move slowly the leaves, and humidity lowers fast.

>Also also, if you use CFL bulbs, you will get three times more light for the same amount of heat.
I thought about CFL bulbs, and I will think again, thank you.

> Good Luck

Thank you.

Daniel wrote:> "Smaller than the one that I already have (4’’) ?
The reason why I put that fan, was mainly to move slowly the air to reduce condensation. In the same time the leaves move so I can avoid possible diseases. The fan ONLY works during the night. During the day, while the lid is opened, fan is not useful. Light winds move slowly the leaves, and humidity lowers fast. "

Daniel,
Add a vent fan the same size, one that brings air through the side wall and out the open top. If it gets hot inside, the top will open and the fan will ventilate. If it cools down, the top will close and the fan will stop.

On my coldframe, the fan is switched on the automatic opening lid and routed from the top through dryer vent tubes under the ground. This heats the ground slightly and reduces the humidity.

Good Luck,
Rick

>Add a vent fan the same size, one that brings air through the side wall and out the open top

I thought about adding a fan on the side wall. I have this Broan Fan. The only problem I found is that cold air will enter even if the fan is NOT working. I mean it will not be tight enough.

>If it gets hot inside, the top will open and the fan will ventilate.
I think the lid is too heavy to be lifted by fan’s air.

>If it cools down, the top will close and the fan will stop.
Probably. I’ll have to try.

>On my coldframe, the fan is switched on the automatic opening lid and routed from the top through dryer vent tubes under the ground.
Now that’s smart. Can you post some pictures ? Errr… automatic opening lid?

>This heats the ground slightly and reduces the humidity.
Yes.

Good Luck to you too. And thank you for suggestions.

Sorry, no pix, cold frame is put away for the summer.

You have a univent thermal opener on the lid. Install a contact switch so your exhaust fan operates when the lid is opened by the opener. This is the same type of switch that turns on the dome light when you open the car door.

Rick

Today they look like this:

What happened was a malfunction of openining the lid - not Univent’s fault, my improvisation’s fault, trying to open bigger.

Few hours later, when I came home the lid was closed and 137’ F inside. The soil was - obviously - dry, so i watered the plants.

What do you think I could do?

most likely i'll have to buy new seedlings.

Good luck!!

Grace

Last year, when all my toms, peppers, and eggplants got snapped off in a freak hail storm, I cried.

Hope you can get a hold of some starts, stay calm, and carry :^)

I salute you, Daniel.

Sorry about the damage caused by your learning experience.

Another suggestion: Replace your clear lid with a shade cloth lid or row cover lid when the danger of heavy frost has past. This will keep high temperatures at bay, provides a frost blanket on a rare chilly night and provide shelter from a cloudburst (the rain drops breaks up on the cloth and sprays gently into the box or runs down to the wall)

You have electric heat (lightbulbs) and your ground temperature will be warm enough to survive a few cold nighttime hours just using a shadecloth lid.

I built a light shade cloth lid that I mount on top of the clear lid in the few weeks of in-between weather and then use as the only lid in warmer spring weather. It is still opened with the automatic opener and activates the fan within.

Once it is warm enough to plant out, my coldframe is done for the season.

Hope this helps,
Rick

@ seysonn: Yep,life must go on.

@ rwsacto: Thank you for your suggestions.