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help ... 88 degrees and 30 mph winds

Posted by johns.coastal.patio 9b (My Page) on
Wed, Apr 30, 14 at 17:32

Trying to keep up with tomato watering under Santa Ana conditions! To my eye my tomatoes are a little limp but not quite stressed.

This is the first time my 10 minute drip cycle didn't produce any run-off at all. I think that's bad, right? I figure I should have some run-off in the last few minutes at least.

(Doing 10 3x per day now, going to 15 min 3x per day. Two approximately 1-gph emitters per 10 gallon pot.)


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j...keep in mind that container maters need regular watering and feeding. Not comparable to in-ground plants. You will probably find your cages will become over-grown in no time. Support systems are commonly under-rated by new growers.


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Those are at least not the tiny cages. They are 52" tip to tail, and yeah we used to add stakes and strings for tomatoes in the ground.

I wasn't really sure what I'd do with these and 10 gallon pots, whether I'd build something higher, or just start pinching and controlling like a foot or so above the cage. Input on that? I could build a trellis above out of 2x2 and drop strings.

Trying to adjust the plan as I go ...


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Well they are in containers, is there a sheltered part of your property? Also you can give them a nice drink in the morning and between noon and 3 or so perhaps drape some weed block over them?

btw I'll trade you any day of the week for 88 degrees and grin and bear the wind ;)


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Growing up we didn't pinch suckers and were happy when plants got to be 5 or 6 feet tall and bushy. I don't think I knew that 8 or 10 foot plants were possible.

This time I've been pinching most on the Early Girl and least on the Super Sweet 100. Strangely the Early Girl seems to be hunkering down right now and building thick branches more than going for height. It has set 5+ fruit. The Super Sweet 100 only about 10+


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William ... I am heading out to buy lemonade popsicles. A weird vice to develop in late middle age!


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Its 43F here with 7 inches of rain this april. I have tomatoes in the ground, but they are under plastic in a low tunnel.


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It looks like 2 more days of this, and then cooling, clouds. I'm thinking that if I can give them enough to drink they'll do good in the heat.

They only get 5 hours of direct sun, the hot part though, 11am - 4 pm.

I water at 6 am, 2 pm, 8 pm. I'd like to make that 2 in the day and one in the night but that is beyond my simple minded timer (just x times per day)

(It looks like you have a harder set of worries, frank)


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I'm in San Marcos and the hot dry wind is fierce. I deeply flooded everything. I was griping about the cold winds and now I'm griping about the Santa Ana...


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  • Posted by digdirt 6b-7a North AR (My Page) on
    Wed, Apr 30, 14 at 20:20

Can you rig up some sort of wind screen to shield them? Are you using 1/4" or 1/2" drip line? I gave up on 1/4" and switched to 1/2" for my containers about 3 years back. Big improvement.

Dave


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Don't give them too many Popsicles, you're liable to give them an ice cream headache ;-)

This post was edited by williammorgan on Wed, Apr 30, 14 at 20:30


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It was 93 on the drive to the market, and a popsicle tasted sooo good.

Dave, I think I'd go 1/2" if I went much bigger. My instructions said "to 50 feet or 30 containers." I'm only at about 25 feet and 10 1-gph emitters, all 1/4" line.

I have some of those little red adjustable emitters now. I plan to use those, and probably a 1/2 delivery hose next year.


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(Tomatoes are perked up and happy now that the sun is gone and their feet are wet.)


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  • Posted by qaguy Sunset 21/LosAngeles (My Page) on
    Wed, Apr 30, 14 at 23:13

I'd still say those cages are too small. Maybe they're 52",
but a lot of that is in the dirt. Your plants are already almost
to the tops of the cages. My PVC cages are 6' from the
ground to the top and still are too small.

Granted, you're using containers which will help, but be
prepared to have to add something to keep them things
from folding up like a cheap umbrella. I always say that
the person who designed those cages must have worked
for Slinky at one time in their life.


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That's gaguy, I've been surfing looking at trellis designs.


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The pots are probably not helping matters.

1. Being only 10 gallons (not tiny, not all that big either especially for bigger plants), means that the soil heats up faster in hot weather and there isn't as much space for roots or for water in the potting mix.

2. They are black plastic, which would tend to heat up faster in the sun.

3. Are they sitting directly on concrete or tile? Seems like it may be a good idea to put at least a little something between the container and a likely hot surface.


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  • Posted by qaguy Sunset 21/LosAngeles (My Page) on
    Thu, May 1, 14 at 13:55

Here's what one person did with PVC.

Nancysil2 photo nancysil2_zps459b1d52.jpg

Maybe you can figure out something similar. Think Tinkertoys.

And just for fun, a link to my cage plans.

Here is a link that might be useful: QAGuy's tomato cage page


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dig: have you found a good way to affix your 1/2" drip line to run above your containers? Seems to me they would need something to "stabilize" them.


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In terms of the black pots, I notice that if I touch them the upper band (with drier soil) is warm, but somewhere lower it transitions to cooler (where more evaporation is happening). (I think the brick patio cools the same way.)

I think I'm staying good now, when I can keep an eye on them and keep watering up. If I had to leave for the weekend and when Santa Anas were expected I'd probably have to crank up the timer ... to uncertain results.

Cool tomorrow though, and I should be able to transplant my habenero.

Small garden: 3 tomatoes, 2 eggplant, 2 peppers. If I do a crossbar trellis 8 feet long I might do more smaller pots beneath it next year, like 8 five gallon buckets in a row along the back.

Thanks for all the suggestions.


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Here's something I rigged up along a metal fence with plastic covered metal garden stakes, bamboo, zip ties, sisal twine and a piece of 4x4 left over from building something years ago.

In Southern California, you can find these garden stakes cheap from the Daiso Japan stores. They range from $1.50 each for the bigger 6 or 7 foot ones to $1.50 for 2 or 3 packs for smaller 3 or 4 foot ones.


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I have been to Daiso Japan! (a $1.50 store full of weird Japanese things.) I use a weird Japanese toothbrush now. They didn't have the big stakes when I was there though.

Current plan is to build a trellis 8 ft high, 8 ft wide, and use it for climbing peas this winter. I'll put 5 gallon grow bags under it next year, and grow more varieties, but limited to a main stalk or two.


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FWIW, the one I go to in Rowland Heights this one does carry the stakes along with other gardening supplies for $1.50. Could be a seasonal thing.


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dig: have you found a good way to affix your 1/2" drip line to run above your containers? Seems to me they would need something to "stabilize" them.

They run through the cage wires just above the soil surface so they can't really go much of anywhere. And I use a wire garden staple (the things you buy to hold down landscape fabric) near the 2 gph dripper to hold it in place.

Dave


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thanks


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Well, I didn't get away clean from my heat wave and hot winds. My Riesentraube dropped many of the few blossoms it had. The Super Sweet 100 and Early Girl seem to take the heat a bit better, and have set a fair amount of fruit, for 5 weeks from transplant.


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Both 88F peak and 30 mph winds are not that bad, if your plants have been introduced to them gradually. Down south, (GA< TX>>>) some years highs over 90 occur for maybe longer than a month. The damaging thing about the winds is that in low humidity, they can dehydrate plants and you'll see them drooping. It dose not mean necessarily that the soil is try and they need to be watered.
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Yeah, we pretty much went from high sixties and low seventies to nineties, skipping eighties entirely.

August and September might be in nineties and hundreds, even by the cost.

Between now and then we typically have "June Gloom" with a wall of coastal clouds. Fungal diseases can strike.


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(This year is my first with a drip system and timer. It is definitely helping me, and probably the number one improvement over past attempts at container tomatoes. I have been watching soil moisture, and perhaps erroring to the dry side for the tomatoes. The young peppers and eggplants get half as much as thevtoms (nonadjustable emitters) and are probably a bit wet.

Plants are growing gangbusters, and except for the Reisentraube (with one!), setting fruit.

Next year, I am going all adjustable, for sure.)


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