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Earthtainer Tomatoes-BER

natureboy68
15 years ago

Hello!

last year was my first season with SWC: rubbermaid and 5gal bucket design.I planted mortgage lifter,brandywine, cherokee purple, and some others that i can't remember. they all looked great, healthy, lots of fruit set, then blossom end rot set in, and i lost a lot of fruit. in the containers i had a regular mix of peat moss and perlite, i mixed in about a handful of epsom salt and lime, and put a strip of fertilizer on the top. i used garden-tone, was going to use tomato-tone, but they didn't have any...now i know BER is a calcium deficiency, and the lime i used may not have been sufficient, i just don't remember what type of lime i used...should i have used more lime? i used about a handful per container...what is the best source of calcium to use for SWC's??

Thanks!

Comments (13)

  • wild_forager
    15 years ago

    The issue for you is probably not the amount of calcium in your soil but rather the plants ability to absorb it. When the soil temperature gets really high as it tends to in containers, the plants do not take in calcium well. You don't say what zone you are in, but I'm betting your problem is heat. Try wrapping the containers in something reflective to keep the sun off.

    Hopefully someone else can verify what I've said. I experienced the same problems last year in my container tomatoes and not so much on my in-ground ones.

  • anney
    15 years ago

    NB

    Odd, your member page shows you're in zone 7 but it doesn't show up with your user name on the screen! I thought if it was entered it was always shown! (Not your fault, just something I noticed.)

    I agree with WF, that it's very probably the fluctuations in soil heat that occur in most outside containers, as well as prolonged heat that is too much for the plants to handle. All my self-waterers are white, and I think any colored containers are likely to have hotter contents.

  • catman529
    15 years ago

    White = reflected heat; black = absorbed heat. I have been building and flying solar balloons for some years and the whole concept of solar hot air balloons is that they are black which absorbs the most heat from the sun.

    So basically, yes, use lighter colors to keep your tainers cooler. I've seen white trash bags on the surface of the potting mix to keep it cool as well.

  • digdirt2
    15 years ago

    Dolomite lime is the one recommended by Earthbox for their containers - their instructions read:

    "For vegetables and tomatoes, mix two cups of dolomite or hydrated lime into the top 3-4 inches of potting mix".

    Than add the fertilizer:

    "2 cups of dry fertilizer or 3 cups of organic fertilizer in a strip in the trough."

    No additional calcium is needed. BER isn't caused by a lack of calcium in the soil but by the plant's inability to use that available calcium as needed due to plant stress. Stress can be caused by many things including the soil temps already mentioned. Other factors can be too much N, too much water, inconsistent soil moisture levels, weather fluctuations, pests, etc. There is good FAQ here on BER causes.

    Dave

  • natureboy68
    Original Author
    15 years ago

    thanks for all the replies! i am in zone 7 (Long Island, NY)(i don't know why the zone doesn't come up weird)never thought heat would be an issue, the containers are blue and white, maybe it is something other than heat. i used pulverized limestone, maybe i will try hydrated or dolomitic limestone this year...

  • rnewste
    15 years ago

    natureboy,

    Do NOT use hydrated Lime. This is highly reactive and can do more harm than good.

    I don't know how large a "handful" is but to be more precise, you need to add 2 full cups of dolomite Lime per 'Tainer. I suspect your "handful" came up far short of that amount. Out of 32 tomato plants last year, I only had minor BER issues on two plants throughout the entire season.

    Raybo

  • carlieandrea
    10 years ago

    hi! I am new to this site and trying to be good about posting in already existing forums as opposed to creatin new ones that being said, I think this is the appropriate place!

    I have two huge heirlooms growing in EB's in the backyard (black plum and black Kim) the black plum started developing BER on all the new tomatoes and the black kevin was starting to get it as well so I searched the web and what kept coming up was add a cup of hydrated lime with a gallon of water. Well I did just that and I came out this morning and my plants are drooping over and look like they haven't had a sip of water in weeks. I added more water to try and flush the hydrated lime out but I don't know what to do/ if I've killed my tomato plants I've worked so hard on all season! please help!

  • robeb
    10 years ago

    I've grown tomatoes & peppers in swc's successfully for several years...Miracle Gro potting mix with Tomato Tone (yes even the new formula!) and no lime or any other additives.

    My plants don't seem to know that they're missing the lime. I think it's possible that adding lime is much like adding egg shells, crushed up Tums, spraying milk, and so many other tales.

    Sorry, but I don't care what the Earthbox website says. They say you can plant 2 Indeterminates in their containers. Good luck with that. My homemade swc's have about the same cu ft space as theirs and I only plant one per container. When I pull my plants after the 1st hard freeze, the roots have taken over all the available space even down into the reservoir.

    Just my observations. Not trying to ruffle any feathers.

  • carlieandrea
    10 years ago

    I only planted one plant per EB, even still considering how big they are it seems like I'm pushing it. Anyways they are still looking very droopy just wondering if anyone knows what happened (re the hydrated lime I added) or something I can do to bring the pla us back to life?

  • seysonn
    10 years ago

    Generally, many garden veggies, including tomatoes, prefer slightly acid soil. But when you add a lot of lime/calcium all of a sudden you are creating an extremely high alkaline(pH). That may interfere with the plant's ability to intake nutrients. In fact, it may come as a shock. The whole concept of pH control revolves around this. At the optimum right pH a given plant can function and thrive best. The opposite is also true.

    So , I think by overwatering that alkaline solution possibly can be lowered back to normal.

  • tigrikt (Central NJ/6b)
    10 years ago

    Carlieandrea,
    How are your plants? What else have you done besides flushing? The same happened to me today. Flushing continuously the box and watering from the top. Thinking to spray the plants with Neptune too.
    Thx

  • suncitylinda
    10 years ago

    Carrieandrea , One time hydrated lime emergency treatment per Earthbox is 1/4 cup hydrated or pickling lime to one gallon of water.

    The purpose of adding dolomitic lime is that peat tends to get very acidic so the lime offsets that. if the mix becomes too acidic it will prevent the uptake of nutrients and BER and other bad things will happen. I use a weekly addition of one teaspoon of calcium nitrate in the watering tube each week to keep calcium readily available.

    Growing one indeterminate tomato or two per box is up to the grower. Earthbox recommends two based on total production per box.

    Bonide makes a product called Hydrated LIme which is dolomited and I often use it instead of two cups of reg dolomite when I can't find anything else. Cheap, easy to find and works fine.

  • tigrikt (Central NJ/6b)
    10 years ago

    I used Bonide Hydrated Lime, put 1/4 of cup in a gallon and added to the earthbox. It burnt a few leaves on tomatoes.

    I have 4 Eearthboxes with tomatoes. 2 plants per container. The same media, amendments and fertlizer. Glacier and Beefstake have no BER, Zarnitsa - almost every tomato has BER, Black Krim - some BER, some catfacing.
    The same cultivars growing in the raised beds show no BER. I assumed that Zarnitsa would appreciate some hydrated lime (per Earthbox instructions) but it matybe was too much

    This post was edited by tigrikt on Thu, Jul 4, 13 at 13:36

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