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Silvery Fir Tree Tomato

Posted by seysonn 7b WA/HZ 1 (My Page) on
Wed, Apr 9, 14 at 21:43

Anybody is growing one (or more !) ?

I got this just by some accident, without really knowin much about it. I got the seeds of the rack at the big box store.
Somehow I ended up having just one seedlings. I usually sow more.

Anyway, even thow it is a DET, but right now it is bigger than most INDETS started at the same time.

After actually seeing tha plant ( now about 10") and reading about it I wish I had grown more than one.

I read that it is :

DETERMINAT
EARLY (69 days)
PRODUCTIVE
LIKE COOL WET CLIMATE

And it is just beautifult to look at with those carrot like seilvery foliage.
What do you think about it ?

Here is a picture from the net. Mine is not that big yet but I will post some pics later.


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RE: Silvery Fir Tree Tomato

Likes cool wet climate? How did I miss this one?! Keep us posted on how it does. Now I wish I would've started one....


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Yes, I've grown it and yes, the foliage is beautiful, but I don't like the taste of the fruits.

When you look at the link below note that at the bottom Carrot-Like is also mentioned and Andrey in Belarus has said that that one is different.

Back in the 80's I did grow Carrot-Like when Seeds Blum was still in business, but I'd have to grow both in the same season to see if they are indeed slightly different.

Fred Hempel in CA has introduced many new varieties that some here might be aware of, two of the first were Pink and Purple Bumblebees, he also bred one he called Lucinda, a green when ripe using Silvery Fir Tree as one parent, and it has that gorgeous dissected foliage as well and yes I've grown that one too.

Carolyn

Here is a link that might be useful: Slvery Fir Tree


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Just adding that I've never seen it referred to as liking a cool wet climate, and note at Tania's page where someone said it loves the heat.

And if you look at the many seed sources for it, again, at Tania;s link they are found all over the US as well as in Canada at I think two places as I remember, short term memory here when I just read those seed sources, LOL

Carolyn, who has never gardenened in a cool wet climate and all three that I've grown, as mentioned above did well, and note that Fred Hempel is from S CA and developed Lucinda there, absolutely not a cool wet climate.


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Thanks ye'all.

I read a comment in another site that somebody mentioned that it (SFT)liked their COOL < WET climate. I suppose, having its origin in Russia, it should like cool weather.

Yes, our PNW is both cool and wet. The number of days in the whole summer that temps might reach 86F may be ONE or NONE. The Pacific Ocean is quite pacific but it sends out a lot of gentle rain all the time. lol


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  • Posted by ZachS z5 Littleton, CO (My Page) on
    Wed, Apr 9, 14 at 22:41

I tried growing SFT last year. All my seedlings died (rather expectedly) while I was out of town for 3 weeks. So, I had about half the seeds left over this year and I have 5 currently growing in the basement. I'm expecting this to be my main producer out of the three that I'm growing and I'm trying to figure out where to put all 5 of them.

As of right now, they are about the same size as the other two varieties.


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Right on, Zach !
They look very nice. Look at the size of those leaves !.

With red fruits in the silvery background, they should produce a beautiful contrast.

I am going to plant mine in a container.


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I grow SFT every year and love it, but many do not. I really like a good bite, but others find it tart or sour. To me it tastes just perfect! But everyone seems to agree that it is a beauty of a bush!


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Unfortunately, it's a beautiful spitter for me!

Linda


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I suppose, having its origin in Russia, it should like cool weather.

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Nope.

What we once knew as the USSR is now called, and has been for many years, the CIS ( Commonwealth of Independent States) and there many states known that never have cool wet weather.

Even varieties from Siberia, grow well in their long summer.

I get seeds from folks in the Ukraine, ( western part now), Belarus, Latvia, Estonia, Kazachstan and more, and most of those places have large areas of warm weather, yes, occasionally rain, but not long term cold wet weather.

Tania, whose links I put up here often, was from the now state of Russia, and immigrated to British Colonbia with her family quite a few years ago. And she gets LOTS and LOTS of varieties from her mother, still in Russia,

Summary? Not good to assume that the CIS, nee USSR, is a place of cold and wet when referencing growth of tomatoes and so many other crops.

Carolyn


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  • Posted by ZachS z5 Littleton, CO (My Page) on
    Thu, Apr 10, 14 at 19:24

I agree, Russia is a VAST country, and when it was the USSR it was even bigger, having varied and different climates. It's not sufficient to say that because a tomato has Russian origins, it is more cold tolerant then one with say, Spanish origins. However, what I have noticed is that a number of "Russian" tomatoes happen to also be short season varieties (or maybe it's the other way around haha) which is, to me, why they carry with them the stereotype that they do better in cold, because they DO do better in colder areas with a shorter season.

Carolyn, I am interested, where did you get seeds from Estonia? Is there any varieties that can be commonly found? My grandfather moved to the U.S. from Tallinn as a boy, fleeing from the advancing Soviet Army after WWII and I would love to find some seeds.


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OK. I said RUSSIA not SOVIET UNION.

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Even varieties from Siberia, grow well in their long summer.
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That is not the point: RUSSIA is generally a COLD country.
Give me a break ! Russia is a VAST country bout it is VASTLY close to north pole.
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Remember what happened to Napoleon Bonaparte in Russia ? Haha.

Russia is more like Canada, geographically and weather wise; LOONG winters, short and cool summers ...
I am not talking about Uzbekistan, Mongolia, etc..They are not part of Russia. hehe

Most of Russia is situated above the arctic circle.
Most parts of Russia is much closer to the north pole than equator (above 50 latitude)

So, weather and climate wise RUSSIA is "COLD" . Now, I dont know which part of Russia they brought the Silvery Fir Tree tomato. Does Tania know that (??!!)


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Zach, a friend in Germany gets the seeds and then sends them to me.

She gets them there b'c the prices are much better than elsewhere.

BUT, what they sell are not local varieties, rather all from Russian seed companies, not all of the Russian companies are that good as to pictures on seed packs and what you find inside. And the seeds sold are from the best of those seed companies.

Below is a link to very few known varieties from EStonia, from Tania's website.

If it was Latvia it would be a different story b'c the last place I taught had a women's basketball team composed of ALL Latvian players, one of them was taking a course with me, and though her I was able to get some really nice tomato varieties. One I remember was Ilses's Yellow Latvian, that I do remember that is that;s what we named it for it had no name as received.

Carolyn

Here is a link that might be useful: EStonian tomatoes


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Seysonn, if you look at the link I put up above is says that SSE received the seeds from Marie Danilenko who was based in Moscow. For many years she supplied varieties to SSE which got listed in the Yearbooks and thus made available to SSE members and from there they went to many seed sites.

I used to do growouts for SSE with the new ones Marie sent.

Below is a link to those countries that are part of the CIS and some you said weren't, but they are.

Palm trees sway in the breezes in Sevastopol on the Crimean cost, also the southern parts of now W Ukraine.
And if you watched the recent Olympics you could see the palm trees in Sochi which is on the coast of the Black Sea.

I have a long time friend in Belarus and Andrey can grow whatever he wants to, and Reinhard Kraft in Germany has introduced several varieties from a waoman who moved from Kazachstan and brought family varieties with her to Germany. They all start with the woman's name Ludmilla, b'c it was she and her family that brought them to Germany, and yes, I've grown all of them as well.

I have in my collection many varieties from Moldova and Bulgaria as well. And Tania still has relatives back in Russia, the CIS state, and lists many many varieties from there, obtained from family or via her other contacts there.

Below is a link which indicates which states within the former USSR are now part of the CIS.

Carolyn

Here is a link that might be useful: Commonwealth of Independent States


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says that SSE received the seeds from Marie Danilenko who was based in Moscow

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OK. That is good enough to support what I have said about RUSSIA.

I am sure you can find some micro climates in Russia with warm weather too. But Kazakistan is not RUSSIA. So , I consider MOSCOW as an average Russian representation in everyway and it is above arctic circle, I think.

ALL I SAID was that the plant being brought from RUSSIA must be cold tolerant. I did not say it will not be grown in hot climates etc. Now that we know it came from Moscow, that settles.
Now lets talk about some characteristic of SFT tomato.
I like tangy tart tomatoes. Isn't it why we add oil and vinegar to our salads ? Also , I rarely eat plain tomato. Just use it in salads, sandwiches and cooking. So then SFT fits the bill for me. Given its ornamental features, I will grow it even just for that purpose.
We all have different preferences. I personally do not garden for just PRODUCTION. How about you ?


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But we don't know where Marie Danilenko got her seeds from, we only know that she was based in Moscow and Kent Whealey, then head of SSE, met her there and set up the arrangement that resulted in so many varieties being sent to SSE in IA. Kent did pick up a few varieties, seeds for, at what's called the Bird Market in Moscow, one that became very popular but I just can't think of the name right now.

What are my prederences? Taste comes first. always. good production in different seasons is also important, and last on my list for the mainly OP varieties I've grown is disease tolerance, and most of those are foliage diseases for which there are no known good tolerances and vary from year to year based on the proximity of local spores and bacteria..

(ALL I SAID was that the plant being brought from RUSSIA must be cold tolerant. I did not say it will not be grown in hot climates etc.)

And very adroit back peddling say I.

Carolyn


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mmm, grown last year, was nothing special. In regards to USSR or Russia for tha matter. There were plenty of novelties tomato released in last couple decades I would think SFT would belong to this group for simple reason. Oldies but goodies would not care about cute foliage, different mentality. With oldies but goodies one can be sure those will be fairly non demanding and cold tolerant as distribution of seed was centralized in USSR so collective farms will get to plant depending on what was sent from above. Main requirement for this type of seeds was high tolerance of varied conditions. For example look at Gribovsky gruntovyi circa 1940? http://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/Gruntovyi_Gribovskiy_1180


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Old Brooks is close to SFT in taste but keeps growing longer for me. I live in a hot arid climate and SFT shuts down when it gets to be hot here. Siux is also quite tangy and good and takes my heat much better.


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  • Posted by ZachS z5 Littleton, CO (My Page) on
    Fri, Apr 11, 14 at 18:27

The silly argument over heat/cold tolerance aside, I am looking forward to this variety.

I don't care too much about fancy foliage either, I garden a lot for production since I like to get a nice return for my investment in time, energy, not to mention the dollars put in. But, I do like growing interesting varieties, so I'm okay with a slight sacrifice in production for things that I can't get in any old grocery store. But, if I'm only getting a half dz tomatoes from a variety then, it's not worth my time, no matter if it's unique or tastes great. That's why I probably wont grow Cherokee Purple again. Tasted good, and had an interesting look, but I got about 8-10 ripe fruits between two plants before frost killed them. I can get looks and taste from another variety that will also give me better production.

Then there is taste. I value this equally with production. I'm not going to grow something that is no good to eat, even if I get bushels of it.

So, overall, like I said, I look forward to trying this tomato this year. Not for so much for the novelty, but because out of the three that Im growing this year, it is likely to be the best producer since it is a short season variety which tend to do well where I'm at, better then long season varieties IME. We will see how it holds up in taste if I will grow it again or not.


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I've grown them for several years and sell the plants at our greenhouse too. They are a short plant, good for patio use. They don't get real tall, but you still want a large 3-5 gallon pot because they are real bushy and seem to have big root system. The tomatoes are medium sized, not large, usually around ping pong ball sized or sometimes a little bigger. They are tart flavored, not a sweet tomato, if you like them sweet you wouldn't like these. Overall, not a super high yielding tomato, but if you fertilize well, you'll get decent production. this is my take on silvery fir tree.


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Thanks for the info, Sandy.

Probably I will plant it in a container too. I can live with tart taste. To me it is a novelty. I am growing close to 20 varieties, green, red, yellow, black, brown ...


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Seysonn, Moscow is at 55 degrees latitude, about on par with Glasgow. It's north, but not arctic circle north.


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Thank you Carylto, for the info.

My point was that generally speaking, Russia has more cold weather than even Canada. When I hear "RUSSIA", Moscow, one of the things that pops up in my mind is "Freezing cold" with all the Russian men wearing fur hats. I am sure they have few days of hot summer too(lol) They also have summer in Alaska

BUT we are talking about Silvery Fir Tree Tomato here ; Its plant, growth habit, fruits, flavor, etc. So lets stick to that.
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I'm in the high altitude desert of New Mexico which is arid, arid, arid. In summer with humidity often in the single digits and temps day in and day out from 90F to 100F and above, Silvery Fir Tree has done just as well as any other tomato I've grown. I like the somewhat odd taste. And so do the grasshoppers.


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OK. I finally planted out my SFT in a pot. So it is going to be a patio tomato. So far so good. It is stocky and even bigger than all my indets. It will be a while until its roots starts grabbing the soil. I hope to get some ripe matoes from it on or before The Fourth.
Our average normal temperature for April is 43F to 62F. So far has been ok, not much rain. That is a plus here


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  • Posted by ZachS z5 Littleton, CO (My Page) on
    Tue, Apr 15, 14 at 18:02

What size pot did you use Seysonn? I have a couple 1/2 barrels that are pretty big (probably hold 20-30 gallons of dirt a piece) and was going to try and fit 2 in each. I wish I could get some of my tomatoes outside, running out of room in the basement.


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Zack, the pot that I planted in is roughly 7 gallons.

Since they say it is a patio type of tomato, I thought it should be enough. So I think your half barrel should be big enough for two.


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It was definitely too big for a hanging basket, which was my original intent with this, I did 5 baskets and ended up taking them out so that they wouldn't need water every 5 minutes. If you just planted sft in a 1/2 barrel of standard size, bet you could plant 2 and maybe a few herbs to go with them. that would make a nice patio pot!


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  • Posted by ZachS z5 Littleton, CO (My Page) on
    Wed, Apr 16, 14 at 9:35

Well, good to know my plan isn't all crazy!


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My SFT is going GRRREAT, It is loaded with flowers and buds and is about 18" tall , very bushy now. The picture you see is taken on or before Memorial Day. I will take new ones this weekend


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I think I should try this variety. Thanks for sharing the pictures and info!


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The fruits, remain to be seen. But the SFT plant itself is pretty, bushy , compact and so far has been flowering and keeps growing more buds as time goes on.
Being described as EARLY, the fruits should be appearing soon.
I will report on fruits when it happens.


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Hers is a picture of my SFT that took today.
It is still in full bloom and no fruits set yet but it is getting ready


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Thanks for sharing the progress!


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Update:

It has half a dozen fruits (biggest size of a walnut).
The plant is happy and it is not growing much in size. Thta is why it is called a patio/dwarf.

I noticed that the fruits are not quite round and show some cat facing. I searched but did not find any info on it (SFT cat facing). Anybody has had that experience ?


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My SFT fruits are more flattened than round. I haven't noticed a lot of catfacing, but we have been having quite the ups and downs in our weather patterns, so that is probably at fault! I have quite a few that are probably nearing full size, as this is a smaller tomato, and just the slightest blush on one.

Mandi


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  • Posted by ZachS z5 Littleton, CO (My Page) on
    Sun, Jul 6, 14 at 15:47

I've pulled 2 tomatoes off my SFT so far, starting on July 2nd, a third is currently orange and will probably be ready by the end of the week or sooner.

No cat facing so far, but I had a lot of blossom drop off of them, which is unfortunate because they were loaded with flowers and I had such high hopes for their productivity. Oh well...

Definitely agree with patio plant though, these guys are tiny!

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That is two plants in a half barrel planter, with room to spare. My third plant is in the ground and is about 2/3 the size of these ones. My 4th plant got torn out of its pot about a week and a half after planting by either wild animals or a toddler, investigation is ongoing.


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I grew the SFT from seed this year as a novelty. I read so much about its unique leaf structure I wanted to experience it for myself. Most of my varieties are planted in containers. This is in an approx. 5 gallon+ size one. I have observed that it does take more water than my other varieties planted in the same size container. Currently it is 22" tall and was re-potted on May 12! I'm enclosing a picture. Mine is loaded with fruit. I'm anxious to experience its taste.


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Looks nice , Joe.

The fruits on mine are NOT round. They are lobed/ribbed and cat faced too. Probably it has to do with our PNW climate, as Mandi from the area has mention just above.

I will post picture later to show what I mean.


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I'm looking forward to seeing your pic seysonn. Thanks. I'm patiently waiting for mine to begin ripening its fruit. I red where the time is 55 - 70 days. I planted mine on the 12th of May. Today is day 56 and counting. I'm also curious as to it s taste as well but we know that taste is subjective. I'll be just excited to taste it. Growing "toms" is a hobby of mine. Next year I'll germinate and grow all new varieties. I can't wait!


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Joe,
Here is a picture that I took few hours ago.
As you can see they are not round at all, but are ribbed/lobed .

This post was edited by seysonn on Tue, Jul 8, 14 at 16:20


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