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Trouble in Tomato Paradise...Help Please!!

Posted by tuamor1628 NY (My Page) on
Tue, May 29, 12 at 20:30

Hi there everyone,
I'm new to gardening but have found it to be a very crafty and lovely new experience, although I'm having a little difficulty understanding whats happening to my tomato plant. I purchased a very well-endowed plant from Lowe's, because let's face it, my original tomato plants that were started from seed, just wasn't cutting it. Anywho, as with the rest of my vegetables/flowers/plants I've been growing, I have been using the liquid nutrients: Ultra Grow, Utlra Micro, and Ultra Bloom. Before you ask, no I do not have an AeroGarden. However, since using the correct mixture, I've noticed that some of the leaves at the base of my plants have bewildered themselves, shriveled up, and flat out look as if their dying. Any justification to this????? Please respond ASAP!

----Newcomer in NY


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RE: Trouble in Tomato Paradise...Help Please!!

How tall are the plants?

It is perfectly normal for tomatoes to shed their lower leaves, it's part of the plant's life cycle. Happens all the time.

With the liquid nutrients, are you doing a foliar feed or just fertilizing into the soil?

Here is a link that might be useful: My Garden


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Okay I really don't mean to sound rude but I have honest to God no clue what a foliar feed is. I'll just explain what I do and then you can clue me in on what I'm doing wrong...if anything. I place the alloted nutrients into a gallon water can and water them daily, at night. I did notice some spots on them as if someone had burned circles into them, that crunches when I ran my finger over them. Their also turning yellow and still wilting. This can't be a disease issue can it?


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Oops sorry forgot to include the height. I'd say their about 2 ft...give or take a few inches. Their also caged.


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Are you fertilizing them daily with the watering? Are they in ground or containers?


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By fertilizing do you mean using the liquid nutrients? As of now, thats all they really get. With the severe thunderstorms we've been having I haven't left them out in the rain, I put them under our porch. They are in containers but I'm considering transplanting them into a larger container I just don't want them to go into show as they are very large and have clearly been in this container for a while now....well, I'm presuming they have by their growth.


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I'm no expert by any means, hopefully someone more experienced than me can give some input as well. BUT, I'm thinking maybe overfertilization/fertilizer burn and maybe overwatering if they are getting the liquid fertilizer and water daily. I don't grow in containers though, but I don't think they need daily fertilization, especially if you are giving them feedings per the instructions.
What type of medium (soil, potting mix, etc) are you using in your containers and how are you checking for moisture? Are you just watering daily no matter what or are you checking for needing watering by sticking you finger a few inches into the container? If you are checking moisture, how does the medium feel before you water (wet, dry, or moist?)
Can you get any pictures of the leaves in question as that will help as well. What size containers are they in now?


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What do the labels say on your fertilizers, do they specify how much to feed, and how often to feed?

Fertilizing every day would burn any plant in a potter, most container gardeners take the recommended fertilizer rate on the box/instructions, cut that in half, and feed/fertilize at that half rate only once a week.

In containers, it's best to put the container in a large enough bin and allow the soil to soak up water put in the bin from the bottom up. I had an upside down tomato plant a couple of years back (my first attempt at growing anything) and I learned why those topsy turvy things dont work. The plant sends out feeder roots as far down as they can, or in the case of the upside down planter, UP.

I would water from the top of the upside down planter, but gravity just took the water down to the bottom, and the moisture never soaked in.

In thinking about a regular container, the next spring I was watering my seedlings in their tray from the top of the tray, soaking each cell. They would look sickly from time to time, and I thought I was doing something wrong. When I went to transplant them, I watered them again, from the top, splashing water into each cell.. and when I went to transplant them, the top of the potting mix in the plastic cells was sopping wet, and the bottom half of the potting mix was bone dry.

pulling the plants out of the cells when the bottom was dry destroyed the roots, and I lost two 72 cell trays full of peppers last spring, it was awful. Since then I have always watered from the bottom, the soil/mix will get dripping wet on top after a few minutes.. it's kinda cool.

If you water from underneath, you can be sure that the entire soil profile has taken all the water it can, then you only need to water them every 2 or 3 days, depending on the size of your containers. soil mixes can hold a LOT of water in them, if you let them work like a sponge.


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Oh and, foliar feeding is where you are spraying a nutrient mix directly on the leaves, and letting the plant take in fertilizer through the foliage. A lot of tomato growers hate to get the leaves wet like this, as it encourages disease. With containers, you'll be fine just adding the fertilizer weakly, weekly to the bowl or bin you use to water with :)


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I don't know what soil is being used in the pot at the current time as I was not the one to plant them. I purchased them from Lowe's this past weekend. However I do think its just a regular plain old run of the mill potting mix soil. I do water all my plants with the nutrient water daily and none of my other plants seem to be affected at the current time. I'm also wondering if this is in any relation to the insect/disease killer I used on the plants this weekend. It's called Eco Smart Garden Insect Killer. Any suggestions?


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I will try to post pictures up tomorrow of the tomato plant. I cannot now as we are in the middle of yet another thunderstorm.


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Stop using the liquid ferts daily. Usually once a week, with a very weak solution is plenty for potted plants. I think EcoSmart Garden Insect Killer might not be a product to spray on the plants themselves, but I could be mistaken. Please check the label for directions / application.


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It states to spray it about a foot away from the leaves and stem. Which I did but I'm still unsure about it so I haven't sprayed it since.


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If your tomatoes are already 2' tall and they need to be transplanted, it should be done ASAP (or better yet, weeks ago).

How large the containers should be -- if you want to keep them in containers as opposed to in the ground -- depends on what varieties you are growing.

Most determinate varieties (sometimes called "bush") would need at least a 5 gallon container, and indeterminate varieties (sometimes called "vining") at least twice that size. However, there are also dwarfs, basket types, and other small tomatoes which would do well in a smaller container.

[To determine the size, calculate the volume of the container in cubic inches, then divide by 231 (the number of cubic inches in a gallon). Or post the info and I'll calculate it for you. [Remember to measure the inside of the container; if the top and bottom are different lengths/widths/diameters, you'll need both measurements.]

When containers are much too small, plants will be unhappy and there will be less fruit and smaller fruit. In really hot weather, it's difficult to keep plants well-watered in too-small containers unless you have a drip system or can water multiple times during the day.

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The burned circles in the leaves might be sunburn, which can occur if the leaves are wet (watered from the top; rained on; etc.) and the mid-day sun shines on the leaves. Think of how a magnifying glass can start a fire: same principle -- the drop of water on the leaf acts like a magnifying glass in the sun. For this (and other) reasons, it's best not to spray water on your plant; any sprays or foliar feeds you use should be applied in the evening or when the plant is in shade.

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The Eco Smart Garden Insect Killer:
Rosemary Oil -- 0.25%
Peppermint Oil -- 0.25%
Thyme Oil -- 0.25%
Clove Oil -- 0.25%
Other Ingredients* -- 99.00%

*Water, Mineral Oil (USP), Octadecenoic Acid Potassium Salt, Lecithin

But are you certain you want to "kill or repel" all insects on contact? What about the bees that shake the flowers and aid in pollination? What about beneficial insects like ladybugs and their larvae, lacewings, etc.?

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foliar: of, relating to, or applied to leaves.

Think "foliage."


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I would have transplanted them week ago if I had grown them myself, but as I've said I just purchased them from lowes last weekend. I would say the container is probably a 2 gallon one. I would love to put it in my garden bed but their just isn't room. I think I'll include a picture of the garden bed as well tomorrow, and anyone can give their thoughts and opinions, possible changes on what needs to be done. As for the rest of the information, thank you very much you've been a great help! I think it might have been a sunburn on the leaves.


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With your insect control mix, insecticides only need to be used very sparingly, and only when you see harmful bug activity or damage. There are a ton of beneficial insects that love to cuddle with your garden veggies.

oh, can't wait for pics, we gardeners love showing off and seeing others' work.


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I would transplant them into LARGE containers, about 15 gallon or so. Plant them in a mix of Miracle Grow Potting Mix with moisture control and Moo-Nure which is compost and cow manure mix.
Bottom half of pot use 100% MG potting mix, top half mix about 30% or so of Moo-Nure with the MG.

Drill several 1/2" holes in the bottom of pots for good drainage, place pots on heavy duty plant dollys and drill holes in dollys for drainage, so you can move them easily if need be plus if they are on a deck wont rot the deck.
put about 2-3" of mulch on top.

Water them nicely everyday, fertilize them about every 2 weeks.
When you transplant them, cut off a few of the bottom leaves especially ones that are yellow and plant them deep.

After a week or so they should be in good shape unless you have some kind of virus.


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can anyone tell me how to upload the pics? I'm having some difficulty and would really like you guys to see!


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Okay, so since I wasn't able to upload the pictures directly to this post I am including the url to my photobucket web page for you all to view. Please tell me what you think!

Here is a link that might be useful: tuamor1628's album


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Hi Guys,
Here are the pictures I've promised. Hope everyone can enjoy them and feel free to comment on anything! I need as much advise as I can get!

Here is a link that might be useful: tuamor1628's album


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All you need to do is click the HTML link on photobucket then do a ctrl+V here.

Like this.

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Hard to say what that is, sorta looks like some sort of Verticillium Wilt, but the rest of the plant looks decent so might not be anything to worry about yet unless you see it towards the top of the plant and not just the bottom leaves.

One thing you need to do though is transplant to a larger pot. Maybe it just looks smaller in the pics but it looks no larger than 3-4 gallons.


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tuamor, do you know the name of the variety you bought? Different varieties would require very different container sizes, as I said above.


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Your tomatoes look ok. The bottom leaves are definitely showing signs on chlorine buildup, when you water, make sure you leave tap water set open to the air for a few hours before you give it to the plants, let the chlorine evaporate.

They don't look like diseases, it just looks like a buildup of tap water compounds. You could filter the water if you wanted and see if that makes a difference, but that's a lot of work for so many plants.


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The variety of tomato is big boy. Thanks guys, and thanks chris I will be sure to try letting the water stand for a while.


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Big Boy is an indeterminate (never stops growing) and a hybrid (big, strong plant). The tomato Cultivar Finder at the forum I can't name here puts it in their 6-8' and also 8-10' categories for height (I interpret that as an average height of 8'). Ventmarin, a French database, gives its height, translated into American measures, as 8'5" to 9'1".

Also, it would normally try to grow large-to-very-large tomatoes (some say size averages 10 oz., others 1-2 lbs.). What will happen if it remains in that small pot is more than I can answer.

Whoever grew that tomato and put it in that plastic container should be tried for cruelty to plants.


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HAHA! Well, then we should file a law suit with Lowe's because their the one's I purshased the plant from. However I am transplanting it tomorrow into a much larger pot also being purchased from Lowe's. But my goodness, I had no idea it never stops growing and that its height gets to such extreams! Maybe next year I'll just stick to cherry tomatoes, but they don't taste as good when making sauce with. Oh well, I still love them and the tomatoes are really starting to get big!!


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You can also buy dwarfs and Bush tomatoes which only get to around 4-5' tall at the most and very decent sized tomatoes.

That is all I have planted this year, is 2 Bush and tomorrow planting 3 Dwarf's.
Still need to be in large containers minimum of 10gal, preferably 15gal but much easier to handle.


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At the very least, stop fertilizing them daily. Once a week tops and with half the strength of what it says in the instructions.

I have a couple Better Boys in ground and it can get 6-8 feet tall easy. I don't know if you'll be able to successfully transplant to bigger pot now, without loosing all those tomatoes.

You will have to water them daily in that pot, and tomatoes you'll get will likely be below par. But still better than store bought of course :D


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Hi Guys,
I transplanted the tomato plant into a much larger pot since putting it in the ground isn't an option at this point. Here's a picture:
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I also wanted to include a picture of how the green beans are turning out. They have finally started blooming.
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And of course, the radishes I just transplanted:
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Feel free to comment as you please!!


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