Hmmm... Big sprays of cherry tomatoes like Sungold. Ripening gold like Sungold. Tastes like Sungold!

Sungold wasn't something I was replanting this year on purpose but I'm pleased with Sungold Jr.

Unless I made a mistake in my notes, last year's Sungold was the regular F1 instead of one of the OP spin-offs.

Fun experiment. Glad I didn't get Audrey Jr.

Here we go again and again. Seeds from an F1 fruit producing true fruits just like heirlooms do..
There has been reports of so many similar case that reinforce the notion (to me) that a lot of those so-called "Hybrids" are no really hybrids anymore.
I am growing one such plant : KUMATO.
I took the seeds from store bought tomato. Now my plant is flowering. I should find out soon.

But if you are happy with the results you get then it doesn't really make any difference whether that are actually Sungold or not.

And the laws of genetics do allow for the occasional true reproduction so you may have just lucked out. :)

Dave

And most who get volunteers from the F1, or save seeds from the F1 fruits don't get fruits as good as the F1 and most of the time not stable. Reinhard Kraft in Germany worked many years to get a version of the F1, actually three of them, but those who have grown them say they are not the same as the F1. Most get the orange when ripe fruits, which is correct, but some also get red fruited plants since what's bred into the F1 is a gene for the long truss trait and that gene gives red fruits.

Why not save F2 seeds from your volunteer and next season put out several plants so you can see if what you have is stable or gives offtypes?

Lastly, Sungold F1 is said by many to have a distinct aroma to the foliage and i tmight be a good idea to grow the F1 to compare with what you have. I've grown the F1 many times but have never experienced that aroma, but it's known that that odor and the taste genes are closely linked genes. And at another message site this has been discussed and it turns out that the smell comes from a very specific Solanum species.

Carolyn

Linda

Be well............elliot

Now, since you live so close to Cold Spring Harbor, why not drive over and ask to speak to Dr. Zach Lippman, whom I once knew well who now works there. Just mention my name, Carolyn Male, and remind him I'm the one who coordinated sending him seeds for 1000 different tomato varieties when he was doing a post doc in Isreal LOL

Nope, even with modern methods of DNA sequencing they couldn't tell you if your volunteers were Sungolds, b'c they'd have to go out and get some Sungold F1 seed and grow their own plants to isolate the seeds from those F1 fruits to compare with your whatever volunteers.

And since most of their money comes from individual grants to each member there I can assure you that no government agency is going to spring for a grant to do that.LOL

And I wouldn't rely on taste tests either, since taste is personal and perceptual and there's even a human genetic influence as well.

Carolyn, who is pretty familiar with all these gene and DNA discussions but thankfully is now retired . LOL

I did state that it was "confirmed" at the facility. I was thinking "discovered", until I read the little history blurb by the lab at this site:
http://www.cshl.edu/About-Us/History/

Many thanks for the enlightenment. Hope all is well with you. We'll speak soon,

elliot

seysonn

Above from your link.

Yes, others already had determined that DNA was composed of nucleic acids, not proteins,

And yes, Watson did present his findings at the summer symposium, which happened each summer but at that time was not a faculty member at CSH.

I too worked with phage as well as with other systems.

YOur link was great b'c so many of the names I knew well,like McClintock from Cornell, where I went,Luria, and so many more.

Please forgive me for posting more, but sheesh, it 's been a long time since I've seen those names, and yes, I attended two summer symposia at CSH myself.

Carolyn
Carolyn