Results are varied, some getting yellow fruits, some getting orange fruits and some getting red fruits, and the latter b'c in the parentage are genes for the long truss trait that come from a red variety.

And few have the taste of Sungold F1 despite claims made.

Reinhard Kraft in Germany has been working to get an OP variety that's close to the hybrid and has released 3 different selections.

Mule, who pasts here has one called Sun Lucky b'c it's a cross between Sungold F1 and Lucky Cross,and last I knew he was tryin gto make selections from plants that had the distinctive scent of the Sungold F1 foliage b/c apparently that scent and the Sungold taste genes are closely linked.

Keith, can you update us on that?

Carolyn

If I want real Sungolds, and they are still one of my favorites, I either just buy a plant or two from the nursery, or, more often, I grow my own from seed packets from the typical suppliers I use, such as tomatogrowers.com (and others). A packet doesn't cost that much and lasts many years for me.

How is that their seeds do not take after one of the parents , but I grow seeds from their tomato might look like its maternal grandfather?

Another thing : There has to be a point that a HYBRID is stabilized and becomes Heirloom ? Isn't that what Mortgage lifter is?

I think, when you plant seeds taken from a hybrid tomato grown in your garden, it will be a decent tomato. The reason is, they pick the best tomatoes around to hybridize not some trash. What can happen is that the result might be slightly off in size, shape and color. Actually you might get a SURPRISE. I like that one. .

No, Mortgage Lifter is not a hybrid.

Knowing about the two breeding lines, when constructing a hybrid is very important to know about and I'll be back later to discuss it in more detail.

Also knowing about male steriles is important as well.

Carolyn

Google is your friend. For example -

PowerPoint - Hybrid Tomato Seed Production

Text: Hybrid Seed Production in Tomatoes and Peppers

You can also explore the Hybridizing forum here.

Dave

The earliest hybrids developed usually had just two parents that were selected for different desired traits .Examples would include Big Boy F1, Better Boy F1, Ramapo F1, etc.

But more modern varieties are done in a different way.

There are two breeding lines, let's call them A and B. An OP with a desired trait starts off in line A, these are NOT specific varieties, rather what are called breeding lines that have been chosen b'c they have desired genes. Then that first one is crossed with another OP to introduce a gene, such as uniform ripening, high solids, a disease tolerance gene, etc.

There can be up to four parental gene inputs in a line and none of them are known varieties.

The same is done for line B.

When the last of lines A and B are done, then those two last selections are crossed with each other to form the F1 hybrid.

One of thel inks also discussed the role of using male steriles so that there's no self pollenization.

Carolyn, who did say she would be back later, and the reason being is that she's a HUGE tennis fan and Wimbledon in London is on now, and she wants to watch as much as she can, especially her favorite players. ( smile)

The earliest hybrids developed usually had just two parents that were selected for different desired traits .Examples would include Big Boy F1, Better Boy F1, Ramapo F1, etc.

But more modern varieties are done in a different way.

There are two breeding lines, let's call them A and B. An OP with a desired trait starts off in line A, these are NOT specific varieties, rather what are called breeding lines that have been chosen b'c they have desired genes. Then that first one is crossed with another OP to introduce a gene, such as uniform ripening, high solids, a disease tolerance gene, etc.

There can be up to four parental gene inputs in a line and none of them are known varieties.

The same is done for line B.

When the last of lines A and B are done, then those two last selections are crossed with each other to form the F1 hybrid.

One of thel inks also discussed the role of using male steriles so that there's no self pollenization.

Carolyn, who did say she would be back later, and the reason being is that she's a HUGE tennis fan and Wimbledon in London is on now, and she wants to watch as much as she can, especially her favorite players. ( smile)

The earliest hybrids developed usually had just two parents that were selected for different desired traits .Examples would include Big Boy F1, Better Boy F1, Ramapo F1, etc.

But more modern varieties are done in a different way.

There are two breeding lines, let's call them A and B. An OP with a desired trait starts off in line A, these are NOT specific varieties, rather what are called breeding lines that have been chosen b'c they have desired genes. Then that first one is crossed with another OP to introduce a gene, such as uniform ripening, high solids, a disease tolerance gene, etc.

There can be up to four parental gene inputs in a line and none of them are known varieties.

The same is done for line B.

When the last of lines A and B are done, then those two last selections are crossed with each other to form the F1 hybrid.

One of thel inks also discussed the role of using male steriles so that there's no self pollenization.

Carolyn, who did say she would be back later, and the reason being is that she's a HUGE tennis fan and Wimbledon in London is on now, and she wants to watch as much as she can, especially her favorite players. ( smile)

Didn't intend them to be all encompassing info on hybridizing but they cover the basics that was asked for.

Dave