Looks like Papaya?

Just my thought that you should skip lychee. Takes a long time to fruit if ever

they do look like papayas to me; however, these are very small ones so that I would really like to know what kind of "papaya" they are

and thanks the advice of Lychee

These look like Hawaiian papaya which are smaller and generally sweeter. They're easy to grow. Just buy a fruit in the store and throw the seeds in the ground

Wow, I've never seen papaya fruits that small before, very interesting!! Thanks for posting that picture.

I would buy an air layered Lychee tree if possible, those should fruit after one or two years...NO idea where in the SF area you find one though? You might have to go south of you...SD area or order online...

I found this nursery in San Diego...maybe they will ship?

Here is a link that might be useful: Ongnursery.com

that is a papaya relative for sure.
i am interested in seeds when you get them :)

i can trade you regular papaya, i have several varieties, including university of Hawaii. disease resistant low-bearing.

what this is, im not suire.
where did you get the seed ???

possible...
Vasconcellea monoica
i think

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasconcellea
http://www.plantes-botanique.org/genre_carica

Vasconcellea cundinamarcensis,
Vasconcella cauliflora,
http://biogeodb.stri.si.edu/bioinformatics/dfm/metas/view/18890

Carica goudotiana
http://www.ars.usda.gov/SP2UserFiles/Place/53200365/papaya/HCAR167W.jpg

Carica monoica
http://molbiol.ru/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t455911.html
http://www.guaycuyacu.net/galeria_products/vasconcellea_monoica.jpg

Vasconcellea pubescens
http://www.tropicallab.ugent.be/vasconcella_candicans.htm

Caricaceae Vasconcellea stipulata
chamburo
http://www.tropicallab.ugent.be/vasconcella_stipulata.htm

Which garden did you find that? Are papaya in the city going to be sweet at all w/o the hot summer?

they are papaya but too long to be hawaii papaya. I bought a lot of papaya when i lived in costa rica. these look like mexican papaya (as they were called in CR)

loveblueroses,

I just ran across this post while doing a search. I posted on a similar looking mountain Papaya, which grows in a friend's garden, also in San Francisco. His is a larger plant, but the size and number off the fruits, as well as the proximity of the two plants, makes me wonder if they are the same hybrid.

I'll give a link to my post at the bottom. I got a cutting and a fruit in March. It looks like the first flower on the rooted cutting will open very soon.

Here is a link that might be useful: Is anyone familiar with this mountain Papaya (Vasconcellea hyb.)?

OK
i have this thing for Papaya
so i spent the last hour trying to figure out wht this was.

best guess it here...

wonosobo papaya
https://www.google.com/search?q=wonosobo+papaya

or

carica-dieng
https://www.google.com/search?q=carica-dieng&oq=carica-dieng

http://www.dwidieng.com/2012/11/carica-dieng.html
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/69197484
http://karikawonosobo.blogspot.com/
http://www.javaisbeautiful.com/our-blog/carica-papaya-delicate-dessert-from-wonosobo-central-java-indonesia.html

which still doesnt say a lot unless its actually a new (hybrid) species called dieng

loveblueroses
i am curious as to how big the tree is ???

and PLEASE i would like seeds !
i can pay shipping, or trade, or both !!!

i have a lychee seedling i can trade for

thanks
Brad

Brad,

Are you asking about the smaller plant that loveblueroses saw, or the larger one that my friend grows, and that I have two plants of? Or do you assume they are the same?

The fact that both plants were photographed in chilly San Francisco, in March, suggests they are mountain Papayas (genus Vasconcellea), not Carica. Parts of San Francisco had freeze(s) in December. The larger plant was in an area that was hard hit, and it was damaged a bit.

My friend gave me the ID of Vasconcellea pubescens x Dioeca. Everything seems to be consistent with V. pubescens as one parent, including the heavily divided leaves. What is "Dioeca"? One person on another forum suggested it might be shorthand for a dioecious plant of some sort. A species, a hybrid? Presumably whatever that plant is, it is responsible for the small fruits.

Your earlier guesses of different Vasconcellea species (March 29) made more sense in terms of location/climate, fruit size, leaf shape, etc. This may very well be a hybrid that has not been given a name, and cannot be found online.

If the question about height is intended for the bigger one, I think the fence is about 6 feet. So that plant could be roughly 8 or 9 feet tall?

The rooted cutting I'm growing just bloomed today after 5 months--see the other thread. I'm curious how long it takes from flower to ripe fruit.

hi, mark4321_gw and greenman62, I haven't visited gardenweb until recently. anyway, I got luck to meet & talk with the grower of the papaya tree not too soon after I posted my pic & discussion above. I was told that a friend of hers customized and gifted her such payapa tree that could survive the weather in SF. and thanks to her kindness; she ever gave me a fruit right away when she learnt that I love to grow one and that I could go back to her if it wouldn't make it... it didn't make it because the seed is immature although the fruit is yellow skin already, and I didn't go back to her either.. well, I have tried growing papaya from seeds many times but only one seed was strong enough to grow, but it didn't make it either because I replanted it to a new place when it was half foot tall :(
@mark4321-gw, your friend in SF is very lucky to have such beautiful, healthy papaya tree

I think I posted this on at least one forum on Gardenweb, but I didn't follow up on this particular thread. I found out and spoke to the hybridizer of the plant I have, who is Martin Grantham at SF State University. I think he said he had around 35 plants initially and he distributed a few of them around. The hybrid is Vasconcellea pubescens x monoica. The original name I was given was just a small error. My plant is growing well, as is a seedling which lives with a friend. Mine just started blooming (again) a couple days ago. Last time it did not keep the fruit that started to form; this time I suspect it will.

Mark

that makes sense....

carica monoica as 1 parent,

and V Pubescens as the other

https://www.google.com/search?q=monoica+carica&source=lnms&tbm=isch

have you tried to grow from the seeds ? i wonder if they are viable, and produce true ?

i would love to cross them with my papaya.

i have C Monoica seeds, but, have had a hard time getting them to germinate,, and where i buy them, they sell only 5 at a time. i think they have to be very fresh too.

i would love to do a trade though Mark...

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loveblueroses

same thing... would love to trade for seeds, or small plant... i have lots of neet stuff

cheers

Brad

I think Vasconcellea monoica (and pubescens) are preferred these days: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasconcellea_monoica. When I got the cutting, I also got a fruit. It had 5 seeds. From those I got one plant, which I gave to a friend. It is now a year old. The hybridizer (Martin) told me he thought the seedlings from this plant should have similar properties--all female, parthenocarpic, etc. Obviously it will not be identical. I have no fruits, so no seeds at this point. The plant that I gave to a friend has no buds yet. I will likelyremove only a small number of fruits, at least at first.

Hey LBR, You could always order a Lychee from Plantogram , Pine Island, or Top Tropicals. They don't ship well but should survive the trip to the bay area. If you love risk, you could drive down to socal and pick up a 20 gallon (or larger) and drive it back to the bay. Best of luck, Chris

Those look great, but how can we eat them?

Do these fruits still have to get peeled and unseeded?