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Dec 2010 Yard Update

Posted by swrancher 10B SWR/FL (My Page) on
Fri, Dec 31, 10 at 9:41

The recent freeze in South Florida caused some damage to some of my tropical fruit trees. I'm hoping that all of them recover although I'm not so sure about the Green Sapote which lost almost all of its leaves or a small Edward Mango tree that had almost all its leaves damaged.

My Longan had a growth spurt a few weeks ago and lost all of those new leaves so now has a bunch of empty outer branches. One strange thing I noticed is my Banana trees seem to be doing better then in prior cold years, they are still mostly green and seem fine. Also had Mango trees planted near each other with one showing damage and the other untouched...The trees with no visible damage are Pickering, Fairchild, Rosigold, Florigon, Carrie. The ones with the most damage Tebow, Edward, Neelum and Tong Bi Con. My other's (VP, Graham, Dot, Angie) all have a little leaf damage but nothing too bad.

I'm located in southwest Broward county near the edge of the everglades. On the coldest night last week my yard got down to just under 32 for a few hours in the early morning and there was a heavy frost.


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RE: Dec 2010 Yard Update

I also meant to ask for opinions on survivibility of my now nearly leafless Green Sapote tree, is it a goner? How about the Edward tree?

Has anyone else noticed that certain Mango cultivars seem to endure cold weather alot better then other types? Based on whats planted in my yard...seems Edward and its offspring Tebow have the least cold tolerance. The toughest one seems to be my Rosigold tree, which is planted in the lowest and coldest open spot in my yard and is thriving.


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Ohh no. I think the wind combined with the early onset of the cold is what did so much damage. I was up at Zill's a couple of weeks back, and 90% of the trees there looked like yours with the topmost leaves burned. They only hit 32F for a couple of hours and said that it was the first time they had so much damage.

I had absolutely no damage on any of my green sapotes.

Jeff


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Thanks for posting pictures. So crazy to see damage so far south. Interesting that your Rosigold did best - mine actually took the most damage of all my mangos:

I think it will lose one branch, but it will survive. I expect your Edward will too if the trunk is ok.


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SWR - did you cover anything or just let things be? I'm chicken - I always cover my newer, smaller mangos at anything less than like 36 degrees....

mangodog


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Tony:

I would not be concerned about any of the mangoes. Although you have considerably more leaf damage than I have. Only my Zebda shows any leaf damage at all for all of mangoes. Now the Green Sapote is another story. I would be very, very concerend about it. I think there is something else going on with it other than cold. Mine is not only not showing any cold damage, but it is putting out new leaves during after the last cold spell with no sign of burn whatsoever. Did you fertilize your tree recently?

Harry


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I covered the Green Sapote and a small Jean Ellen Mango tree, all the other ones stayed uncovered with the ground soaked all around them.

Harry -

I have not fertilized the Green Sapote tree since early September. It was doing really well until the first cold snap/frost we had in mid December. I was out of town on business and my wife covered it with a frost cloth and put a hand warmer underneath. The next day when we took the cloth off all the leaves looked burnt and dried out. They then slowly fell out over maybe a week or two. The only other thing unusual with that tree is I sprayed it with Copper when I did all my other trees just a few days before the cold weather, maybe GS does not like copper fungicide?


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Hmmmmm....what exactly is a hand warmer and how much heat does it generate. Sounds like it might have cooked the tree. I don't think it is a sensitivity to copper, but then again, I have never sprayed mine with copper. Very mysterious.

Harry


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Harry -

The hand warmers are those little cloth covered pads that when exposed to air have a chemical reaction and get hot for about 5-6 hours. The temp on the surface gets to 120 degrees but the surface is only four inches square so we are not talking about lots of heat. That all said it does look like the tree was cooked and dried out so its back to light bulbs.

Tony


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SWRancher

Thanks for sharing, it looks like everything should be okay though. Kind of Crazy, I would think that you guys in Florida would have less damage than us guys in California, with pretty much the same temperatures, but it looks like you have had more damage. Looks as though everything should bounce back. Good Luck......

- Jacob


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swrancher-

you took very little damage for being so cold. You are in Dade or Broward County? We've had torrential rains and moderate gust (15 to 25 MPH) in the last couple of weeks with the lows in the low 50's to mid 40's until the last two days. Last night it bottom out at 40F and the night before 33F. This has taken a toll on some of my tropicals. My pouteria sapota, in a 24" box, took the most damage...... the one in the ground looks just find a little beat up. The one in the box was thriving and flowering in the fall and summer until late Nov. when the heavy rains and the cold came.The one in the box is almost completely defoliated but my green sapote, that's also is in a container, is putting out new growth. I'll get some pics in the next few days. The mangos, gauvas and avocados have some leave burn as well as the cherimoyas but the white sapote looks as good as summer.


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1-2 Mamey on box
3 hayse nispero
4 Sir Prize Avo
5 Longan seedling
6 hong kng guava
7 green sapote
8 mamey on the ground
9 mangos Lancetilla and Gleen behind Lamb Hass avo
10 Carrie mango behind holiday avo
11 mexican ataulfo mango
12 white sapote
13 Mallika mango on a box

all from this morning 01-01-11














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...and JF - I hit around 32 the last two nights here in Palm Springs with frost around the neighborhood but no damage to my covered 6 small mangos, nor my 3 1/2 year old Rosigold nor my big Manila tucked near the house and under some high palm trees...I think perhaps the combination of your soaking wet yard and the more modest cold put some dinks in your plants, where it's been drying out nicely here since last week's 3inches of rain.

But how can we complain - the poor floridians are getting a real shaft of icey pain - pugsy: My heart would be broken if I saw the damage you have on my stuff. Like an arm or a leg was amputated from my own children still in diapers.....

(is that crazy??)

mangomaddydog


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Mangohyena -
It was freezing Thursday morning. I got up at 5:00am and my thermometer register 38F. I looked online to the nearest weather station in Fullerton Airport and it showed 33F. I think they were right, based on my frostbite fingers. I have all my container mangos shelter and insulated by my avocados and my 6' wall. The moderate gust has helped dry up the yard, on the surface, but that won't last long because we are expecting more rain the next couple of days. With the rain you have more humidity and the nighttime temperatures hover around 50F. The rain total since Nov. is up to 13 inches, 9 inches in one week. BTW, did you see the Lanticella next to the Gleen?


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yes...JF.....is it the one on the left on plate 9? The max-Lancetilla you just bought at Mimosa?

niiiiiiice......we should all get fruit this coming year on these big guys, yes????

I just placed a new year's order for my next-to-last mango from Plantogram - COGSHALL - Mickey's real nice on the phone and promised me a big healthy one!!!!!

Well.....all I can say is; suck it up! (the water that is, Mr. Sun!)

OVER AND OUT (on everything 2010 !!!!!)
MangoDingo


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Mangocanis-

I expect a couple of fruits from my Lancetilla and a lot more from my Glenn. What's this, you are getting a Cogshall from Mickey? I though you were after the chaka khan mango? LOL I when to PIN and read that Cogshall is a shy bearer. Show us a pic of your 3 year old Rosigold how big is it?


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SW Rancher, all in all your trees look fine. Very minimal damage (it appears) especially in a yard that appears to have no canopy. I'm glad you made it through relatively unscathed.


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SW, I agree, most the trees look great, the green sapote is a mystery. When you or your wife cover them do you 'seal' them in a small make shift GH? I learned the hard way that 'sealing' plants inside single walled GH with no or little heat source can actually cause a super cooling effect. Because of heat irradiating into the night sky, it can be colder inside the GH than outside, esp on clear nights.

I have two potted GS in one of my GH that went donw to the mid 30s for a couple of nights on accident. Both look fine and are still actively growing.

the mystery continues.

JF, your plants are looking great, location, location, location and of course your green thumb.

-Ethan


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Thank you Ethan -

I don't know about the green thumb LOL and I'm here to learn from the Master Garners like yourself and Harry.

Thanks


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Wow. I was pretty shocked about your green sapote being damaged. I thought it was supposed to be more cold-hardy than the mamey sapote. My mamey seedling was out in the open and the damage was not as bad as your GS. That's weird.


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I'm a little late here - but my guess is that the frost cloth stayed on the green sapote during the daytime and trapped too much heat in there. I've toasted plants by leaving tarps on them during the day. If it's just heat damage, I'd think it would come back from the hardened off wood.

Jeff


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RE: Dec 2010 Yard Update

Hey JF - here's Rosie!!!!!

Here is a link that might be useful: rosiegold mango


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Nice tree Lobo! You are going to need to protect the other six mangos with those 5 months of 100+ degrees. Do you have any more palm trees to shelter them? Has your Rosie fruited yet?


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eventually, when I take pictures of the WHOLE ORCHARD (maybe in a few weeks?ZZ?!!!)and post them here you will see I have lots of bushes and trees around (27 palm trees on my 1/4 acre) so I don't think shade is a problem except when it gets above 115 big ones, then there is some blow torch damage....

Yes, JF - the Rosie fruited last year - 5 fruit on the tree - one matured and she-BANG - what wonderful sweet orange fiberless flesh (I'm getting goose bumps just thinking about it now! LOL)

But....could you tell me how to post pictures in the message itself, and not have to do a link? I've used both photo bucket and image shack and just couldn't manage anything but a link - so much more effective the way you and others do it.....

mangohounddrifter


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Every image on the internet has a URL address you find out by putting mouse
arrow over image and right clicking it. This can be done in photoBucket or what
have you


Image URL such as http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af304/culov/IMG_1236.jpg?t=1293906667


Bracket that URL as done below and you can now inset an image


<img src=http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af304/culov/IMG_1236.jpg?t=1293906667>


To insert multiple images you separate each such entry with a
<P>        (a paragraph break)


You can also insert text but insert <P> as needed to provide spaces and
breaks between text and photos/images


Do all of the above HTML code in the usual place you post your witticisms on
garden web. Check out your work in your preview


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is a proper paragraph break not that AAAAA stuff that garden web
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Its a whole lot easier, with Photobucket, at least, to just pass your cursor over or click on the desired picture, share options are provided. Choose the HTML code, clicking on it copies it into your browser and then you just paste that code into your post. Very easy!

Harry


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RE: Dec 2010 Yard Update

Thanks harry and zands...I'm gonna try it tomorrow while the sun shines! We'll just see how smart this little doggy is!!!!!!!!!!

spinningmangoschnauzer


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regarding GS:

I posted on the "Green Sapote cultivator" thread last year where one of you (thank you!) said the Green Sapotes PI sells (where I got mine) are grafted on Mamey. If yours is, it's possible the cold tolerance wouldn't be that great while they're still small.

Mine lost all its leaves (seems it does it regularly around this time) but new leaves are about to open from the tips already. I think this tree drops all or most of its leaves in my zone with prolonged cold periods. In early December it experienced several nights of temps in the 30s and low 40s & some nights might have been windy as well. Then set it close to the wall during the freezes to be on the safe side.

I bought my GS about 3 or 4 years ago, at the time was less than a foot tall, paid $50 bucks, and it has been a very slow grower but faster in 2010. Currently the stem w/out pot is only slightly over 4 feet. The pot was large enough and its still a fair size but I'll repot into a larger one and replace most of that soil this week.

As for Mangoes:

I have a small Glenn on the ground (someone said this variety is especially tender) but can be kept small enough to cover.

It's presently surrounded by a rustic plywood enclosure until at least 1st or 2nd week of February to be safe. It saved it last winter too, this year had to extend the top to make the tree fit. I don't trust blankets over mangoes. Its pruned into 5 long branches all stemming from the trunk which I tie together (like palm fronds) before a freeze and make sure they don't touch the sides of the enclosure. Front half covered by blankets, bottom half by another plywood plus another plywood on top as roof. (Top and front I take off after the freeze). Usually add warm water to a cooler and set it inside, but was too lazy to do so for the 2nd round of Dec. freezing weather and a few leaves on each branch tip were damaged. Temp was around 28 outside on the coldest night.

Most leaves (save for the very top) on a large seedling Mango over 15 years old exposed against a SE wall as protection, held up pretty well, even some flowers and small fruit forming.. UNTIL the last freezing night where there was frost and dealt the fatal blow in central FL. Even then it still managed to keep many green leaves inside the canopy. However, the difference this winter (at least for us in central FL) was the trees had some chance to harden off because the cold started early. Last winter this large Mango was torched after the first freeze in early Jan at similar or warmer temps.

Seems like the frost is what did the damage from looking at those pics.


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mangocarnivore-

I had one of plantogram's mango fried by the 100 degree heatwave we had in Sept. and that was just for a week I can't imagine 5 MONTHS! I love the growth habit of your Rosie I think I might make that my last mango tree.


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MangoCritter
Garden Web loves to mangle HTML
I hope this comes through right
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To insert multiple images you separate each such entry with a <P> (a
paragraph break)
<P> is a great spacer for images and text
Use <P> correctly and you can insert identifying text under each photo you
post. Text such as -- "Above is my 12' high Valencia Pride mango I planted
three years ago"
Then insert another <P> and insert your photo.
Then insert another <P> and insert text


And so on down for multiple photos and their explanatory text


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thetropicaldude - nice to hear from someone else in the Orlando area (I'm in Oviedo). Got any pictures of your trees to share? I just planted my mango trees this year. Two did great and two were pretty badly burned (all were covered). I plan to keep them all trimmed small so I can always cover them. I'd love to see how your are protecting yours and a shot of the mature one against the south wall.


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JF - I think that perhaps a small newly-planted mango would be in trouble if placed all by itself out here, alone in the middle of the yard, in the summer here, but if surrounded by other bushes/trees and perhaps even some shade cloth in the first year and with the large palm trees on the western side of my yard it should be ok - though.....you're scaring me here!

....and by the way - it's not 5 months of 100 degree days! July thru September- 3 months yes - maybe another 10 or so in June and October and that's it - maybe 100 days total....and look - hurray - I can now post pictures -thanks zands and Harry!!!!!! I found Photobucket much easier to do this with than Imageshack....yahoooooo!!!!

mangopetpooch

rosigold mango planted march'07
RosiegoldMango Jan 2011


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mangoinferno -

Oppssss, 120 days only LOL I was station in Twentynine Palms for a year and I froze my bud off in the winter the rest of the year it felt like I was in Venus..... I have never been so uncomfortable in life, I felt like a dry scale rattlesnake. I though Miami's summer were the worse but there is no comparison - at least for me. I realize that some folks love the desert heat over Floridas heat, different stroke for different folks. All joking aside, with all those bushes and trees you have in your property you shouldn't have a problem.


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mangoHund

Well done! This proves you can teach a dog new tricks. Bow wow wow! Here's a milkbone


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mangoDog

Now that you are using photobucket...Is good idea to put tags labels on each photo. What kind of mango or other plant and the date. This helps you keep track of your progress. Such as "2012 I got 50 fruits from my Carrie mango" is caption to your photo of the fruit laden tree. In Harry's photobucket album he labels each tree. This helps him and helps me (and others) who want to see what diff mango trees look like


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Tropicaldude...Yes, Please photo of your plywood freeze protection and your mature seedling as well...I too would love to see it!

Mangodog, great job posting the picture directly on the thread...great directions from the guys here! Very nice Rosie mango tree btw.


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Thanks, Pugsy (you poor thing - have you had sessions with a tropical plant therapist, yet? )

Zands - yes I will label the photos with specifics as you mentioned because as we know about old age...... (wink wink).......

I really hate winter, by the way....I know I know it ain't that bad here in PS with mainly 60's and 40's but still my bones just rattle too much inside my numb fingers on my early morning double-dog-duty walks....and I'm from upstate NY (near Syracuse) where everyone turns as white as the snow for 6 months of the year....well not quite EVERYone....lol... Anyway, you'd think I'd be tough but my leaves have just gotten soft I guess....

I'm waiting for one last mango from Plantogram (a cogshall) to arrive - probably in February, before I plant it and walk the yard and take a bunch of photos for y'all.....

Photos really are the bomb as far as letting everyone see (and nearly touch and taste) everyone's little slice of unique growing skills, so yeah...

EVERYONE POST PICTURES PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MilkboneMangoBling


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mangoDog
I should have been more specific. Right in your photoBucket album you should be sure to put tags and dates on each photo the way Harry has. This way you can get a quick fix on your tree's progress. Harry's photoBucket album (actual album) has the largest collection of mango tree photos on the internet

Just making 100% clear
Photos get kind of lost on computers
It is better in some ways to get photos up on photoBucket or flickr which have privacy options anyway


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Zands - as long as your helping...I've added both a tag AND a description to some photos in photobucket as you suggested and nothing shows up when I copy and paste the HTML code here in the message - just the photo - is the tag and/or description added not supposed to appear with the photos, and supposed to just be for my own referral when going through "my album"?

Mangrrrrrrrrrdogg!!!!!!!


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Gary:

The tags and descrptions stay in the Photobucket album for your or whoever's referral when perusing your album. But is is cool to set the Photobucket album on "slideshow", full screen and the pictures will come up full screen with the descriptions under each. Give it a try. Unfortunately, you have to add your own commentary to the Forum post with each picture you post.

Harry


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Mango bow-wow -

Did you say the cogshall will be your last or next to last mango tree?? remember our trip to Anaheim Hill in Feb. I am sure you will want some budwood from her mango collection.


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MangoHund

It is like Harry says. PhotoBucket provides easy copy and paste HTML code to insert a photoBucket photo into your garden web post. Multiple photos too. But only the photo will be inserted (will appear) not the tags, dates, labels you see when flipping though your photoBucket album

As long as your photoBucket album is public this means other can learn from it not just you. Learn such things as growth habits of desert grown mango trees, which mango trees grow bushy naturally. You may photograph your mango fruits and others will get a better idea what a Cogshall looks like. You may visit Vietnam and "guests" will then be able to intelligently search and flip through your photoBucket album if you have used the tags --- Vietnam, mango, lychee, Hanoi.....etc


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wow...thanks guys for the P-Bucket help....it's a whole new world out there...I will try the slide show some time - I've only got 4 pics in my album so far - I gotta get crackin'!!!!!! Thanks, Zands - my next big overseas trip may be to China in a couple years - i believe they do grow mangos in the south....

JF - I have what i think is rootstock growing out of a mango that died back, and another Manila that is small enough to graft on to - so i can always graft to those two trees - though I'm not feeling particularly graft-skilled yet

MangoFluffy


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mangoDog

Here is a link to Fairchild Garden's trip to China.
To Hainan Island where they grow mangoes. The Chinese want to keep everyone employed so all leaves are clipped off mango trees after harvest

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Here is a link that might be useful: Fairchild Garden's trip to China


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For those who have Green Sapote, mine started sprouting new shoots in the lower half, not sure if that means the cold temps stressed it out, but I think it only took one night around 32 before I set it against a wall for the rest of the freezing nights. It might just drops leaves naturally as it feels a temp. drop. Anyone else experiences this?

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The leaves at the tips have taken forever to open, in fact have been closed waiting to open for months (grown more lately prob. due to absence of mature leaves falling)

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It has put out some flowers along the trunk during the past 2 years (i think around spring, can't remember), they have fallen off. Stem on this GS is less than 4' tall.


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on the above post I meant to say the new leaves are finally starting to open likely because the mature leaves fell off.

I had made another post with pictures of the mango cover, where did it go??!! lol guess will have to re-do it


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interesting Zands - how the Chinese run their mango orchards on Hainan Island like a military troop. Why did they strip the leaves from the tress? Didn' make sense to me. Dr. Campbell even said the trees looked haggard and worn out from the way they manipulate the bloom and fruit producion....kinda sad, in a way I felt bad for the trees......

mangopup


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I forgot to post these.....here are some of the trees I bought my family for Christmas.
Beaumont Guava

Ataufo Mango 7'


moro blood orange dwarf


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Hey Jeff,

You Christmas Tree look Great. That is one Hell of a Blood Orange tree. The leaves are go deep green and healthy looking, as is the Fruit. Actually all 3 trees look so happy and healthy. Awesome Trees.

- Jacob


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Thanks Jacob,

I have not had much luck with citrus, although my Valencia Oranges are out of this world......hopefully my son will have better luck. The guava leaves at this time of year in Socal are usually purple from the cold, I was surprise how healthy this one looked. The Autaulfo actually lost a huge branch while transporting it but it's still a well balance tree.

P.S. not Jeff, Joe


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nice gifts, JF - let me guess - the christmas gifts for your brother and son???? hmmmm...but what about the 3rd tree? And where did you get them - they don't look like Mimosa trees....

You should pick one of the "bloods" and have a taste - look super delish from the outside....

regarding the 20th - yeah a little food before the meeting sounds fine. I think I can get off work too....so lets talk soon.....

MangoArf!


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Mangoforever -

You guess right. The Beaumont is for my niece she's a guava nut. She's got grandma in the kicthen making guava marmalade, guava paste, guava shells, guava strudel.....you name it. This has been going on since the begining of our guava season in Nov.

The bloods are not ready, in a couple of weeks I'll let you know.

Yes, I'm ready for the 20th see if this grafting demonstration will inprove my skills, can't graft diddly squat. We'll grab an early dinner in the Orange Circle.


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yeah, we'll talk before....and I guess I took the same
Graft Master class you did ....

hey....hoo.......

mangomuncher


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Mangogrubbed -

au contraire, mangochien!....I had two sugar apples take on cherimoyas rootstock last year only to die in later summer. So I'm 2 for 12, 17%. I've never had a mango take don't know why??? I've tried in spring and summer unsuccessfully.


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Ok here we go. I know a few wanted to see the Mango enclosure and large seedling tree. Not posting any trees that are fine, thread is now loading too slow. Apologies for posting so many:

Glenn Mango enclosure with top off. Yesturday put it back on along with sheets and plywood on the front side because of last night's freeze and tonight's possible frost. Top 3rd added this year because tree now 6 ft tall would no longer fit inside. After this winter it'll grow too big. Need to find another way to protect it next winter. Maybe with sheets held by poles and if the winter is mild might just leave it alone. Branches bent upwards against the walls but that's ok, will be straightened once enclosure is taken off.

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Damage from end of Dec. freeze (despite being inside the enclosure)
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20 ft tall seedling Mango. Some green left inside the canopy - Started flowering in mid-November (about a month and a half early) Flowers on lower part were fine after the fist 2 freezes early December. Tiny fruit forming there held on until about the 3rd or 4th freeze, but all are burned now after 8 (!) nights of freezing temps -

Orchid, potted Cassia/Senna Surattensis, Canistel and Brewster Lychee under it (hard to see)
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Orchid taking the cold like a champ
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toasted fruit and flower panicles.. squish!
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Beat up 10 ft Kary Carambola with blanket overhead. Was loaded with fruit but most have fallen off, a few remain on the green side. Only was able to harvest 4 full sized fruits.
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Ps: Sun Worshiper good to see you're in the area as well! How are your trees after all this crazy cold?


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The cold damage to my Tebow mango tree was worse then it first appeared in December. This is what it looks like as of this morning. I know that it should not be pruned until March but I'm thinking about removing some of the dead wood on the top in order to to make it easier to cover and protect in case we get another hard freeze.

Whats really strange is that their are three other similar sized mango trees planted within 10-15 feet of this one with no damage. I'm guessing its just the exact spot the tebow tree is planted was right in the freezing air...If it does not survive I'll put something a little more cold tolerant there, maybe another lychee.

My Green Sapote still is totally leafless, I think the hand warmers over heated it, hard lesson learned...My other damaged Mango tree a small Edward whip is now mostly leafless but seems to be hanging on.


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Tony:

Did you also cover your Tebow mango? I can't imagine that this damage is solely cold related. You are south of me and I have many mango trees this size or smaller that were uncovered and show no damage at all. Covering, with the excessive heat build up during the day in the bright sun, can cause more serious damage when the cold hits it again the next night. Your Tebow will survive, in my opinion, but I would re-think your cold protection plans if there is a next freeze this year.

Harry


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Harry,

I think your right about over heating my Green Sapote tree but my Tebow tree was totally uncovered and unprotected during December's cold snap. It's planted at the base of my houses elevation, near the edge of a low large open area. I'm pretty sure the damage was just from cold and frost as it was doing fine prior.

I think the two cold nights in December were actually more damaging here then any last winter. My Papaya tree which is unprotected had no damage at all last winter but seems to have taken some in December. Although my place is south of yours, its also further west. I hope your correct about my tebow tree being alright it's one of the ones I am most excited about growing and hopefully enjoying.

Tony


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How long ago did you plant it out? I think it might be done :( maybe the taproot wasnt established enough and froze.


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Hope your wrong about it being done. It was planted a little over a year ago, November 2009.

I went to Spykes Groves today to pickup a few things. While there I mentioned the cold damage my tree has and they told me most of the groves smaller planted mango trees took a lot of damage as well. From what I saw most of the trees smaller then ten feet high look as bad as mine if not worse.


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Very, very strange. Spykes is not only south of me, but also east of me. Tony, yes, you are somewhat west of me, but watching the local weather stations far west, near you, my temps were at or below each and everyone of them. There is still something else in this damage equation. Figuring out exactly what it is....now that's the trick. I wonder if it was a soil moisture issue. This year's cold spell was preceeded at my house by a drenching 1 1/2 inch rain that may have added enough moisture to the soil to allow for some additional protection at my house. Did you get that very heavy rain too?

Harry


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funny I was at Spykes today as well, I picked up some citrus and a Golden Nugget Loquat.

They also have Madame Blanc mango in 7 gallon again.


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Thanks for posting pics tropicaldude! Very resourceful shelter you built. That big tree is great! Even with all that damage, definitely still alive. I don't have any updated pics, but I think that for me the score is 9 to 1. Of the 10 trees I'm covering, 9 are solidly alive. But I think I've lost one - a Rosigold mango I planted in the fall. I have 2 mangos close to my house that show no damage at all, and if fact one of them, a Manilita, is pushing blooms. I have an Angie mango that is out near the Rosigold and it took heavy damage, but is forming new buds to grow from the trunk. All other tree varieties did fine.

Can't believe your trees took so much damage that far south swrancher! Thanks for posting the pics. It is very informative to see how every did. I'll post new pics again when I get a chance. Probably next weekend. This one zoomed by.


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Glad you liked my cover sun worshiper lol, yes that big mango will be fine. It will only lose 1 to 2 feet off terminal tips. New leaves and branch tips will sprout vigorously and will re-bloom after that, not sure how heavy.

swrancher your Teebow Mango should be fine, just water it occasionally it will come back from the main stem. Down there it rarely dips below freezing, so even a blanket like I put over the Carambola could diminish cold damage significantly. That Carambola took a beating because it had already taken about 3 freezing nights before i finally put the blanket on. Tied it with strings attached to a tall ladder, the roof and the large mango tree.


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Some good and some bad news...

Bad news is my Tebow mango tree died. It kept getting dryer and looking worse since the December freeze here. last week, I scrapped the trunk and it was brown and dry as a bone under. I tried finding another decent sized Tebow tree but was not able to find anything besides some very small ones. So I replaced it with an Edward tree, the only variety of which I now have more then one tree planted.

Good news is there is some new growth showing on my green sapote's trunk so I think it will survive my mistakenly overheating it when covered.


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Sorry to hear about your Tebow. Edward is a nice choice as a replacement tho! My rosigold is definitely dead. It is sprouting growth below the graft, but above the graft - dead. I am thinking of replacing it with a Pickering. Something that blooms a bit later, but still stays small.


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SWR - well my Edward got nipped 3 nights ago, but luckily just the flower buds - I'll be curious to see how this tempermental mango produces for us - now....you are in what part of the Southwest?


MangoDreamerDog


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I'm located in Southwest Ranches, a town thats located Southwest of Fort Lauderdale, Florida at the edge of the Everglades. Its not quite the same Southwest as where your located, LOL.


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SWR, I'm SO sorry about your Tebow...glad you've found a nice replacement already. I have 3 mango trees that took severe damages too, looking forward to March so I can 'pug' them all. I just hope they all recover. Its very hard not to prune them now that we've had such nice weather lately...but I know as soon as I do...So I guess I better wait a few more weeks.


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SWRanchero - i just don't understand how this cold gets down that far to you - must be incredibly frustrating. I know I though I had my frost protection plan worked out for my young plants, but I underestimated this last frost predicted to be no diff. from our previous 3 frosts (starting in Dec. that I handled the same way with great success) but this last one just penetrated my coverings too long and too hard...

I learned a lesson - I've GOT to put supplemental heat inside my coverings on ANY frost warning until they get beyond that size to protect....then any frost damage I'll just consider God wanting to give it a good "pugging"!

MangoDog'sStiffUpperLip


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