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Suggestions for tall growing shrub/tree as a hedge to near by win

Posted by ritholtz (My Page) on
Thu, Feb 20, 14 at 17:04

Hi,
I posed this message in landscaping forum. I am in Dallas. Please help me to come up with tree/plant for my needs.

http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/load/design/msg0918095027865.html

I am planning to plant tall growing shrubs/trees to get a privacy hedge from backside window facing my yard/patio. I am looking at Savanna holly, Neville Holly, Wax myrtle and Ligustrum wax leaf.

I am not able to decide on something. I went to nursery and looked at them. This nursery has some of them in smaller size. So, I can transport and plant my self. I got very expensive quotes from landscaper.

One idea is to grow Holly (Savanna or Neville) with 3'-4' gap and let them grow tall and narrow. They will make a hedge at the top (10' - 15' height).

Other idea is to plant wax myrtle / Ligustrum Wax leaf and grow them like a tree. We will have space at the bottom and they cover at the top.

I have received suggestions to plant Italian cypress and other conifers. But they might not form a hedge at the top.
Please let me know your suggestions.

Thanks,


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RE: Suggestions for tall growing shrub/tree as a hedge to near by

I saw on the other forum where you were considering Crape Myrtle - I think that would be a much better choice (in Texas) than a Japanese maple, and they seem to grow much more quickly than the Japanese maple. Of course, both of those are deciduous and so you won't have (as much) privacy in the winter...

Some evergreens that I have in my garden are leatherleaf viburnum (and some other viburnum - maybe burkwoodii?) and banana shrub (michelia figo) - both seem to grow quickly, and they have very different foliage so your yard won't look monotonous. Plus you have the added benefit of flowers and/or scent.

In east Texas a native evergreen is Cherry Laurel - I don't know how well it grows in your area, but it's very attractive. Also, Chinese photinia (one of the parent plants to the disease-plagued red-tip photinias) seem to grow well here.

Nurseries such as Redenta's or Blooming Colors may be able to locate some of these shrubs for you.


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There are varieties of running bamboo that will quickly get the needed height and remain evergreen enough in Dallas to screen that view in the back. Can maintain within a small patch by installing a root barrier. Could also serve as a temporary screen while something else gets established.

Think the relatively narrow Savanna hollies you're considering would look very nice, especially if you can get mostly female plants for their berries. Glad to learn they can thrive in our alkaline leaning clay. There are also some fastigiate/columnar forms of the native yaupon holly.

Seems a good idea to seek out narrow cultivars because the standard privets, photinias, hollies and other mentioned shrubs generally want to grow nearly as wide as they are tall and will begin to dwarf your small spaces without a lot of pruning/training effort - especially as they head beyond 7ft. 'Emerald Green' (or other) arborvitae (thuja occidentalis) seems to be the most common fastigiate evergreen used around Dallas for accent and screening (~3 ft spacing). They broaden a bit with age, so much better form than Italian Cypress for privacy.

Here is a link that might be useful: Arborvitae, 'Emerald Green'


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Hi barkingdogwoods and bostedo,
Thanks for the feedback. Sorry for not replying your email early. I am not here. I need something to grow at least 15 feet. It can start giving me privacy/screen only from 12 feet and above. Height is one of the major concern for me while selecting one of them. Something grows taller,thicker and quicker.

My options are :
1. Hollies (Nellie or Savanna). I talked to couple of nurseries. They suggested me Nellie over savanna. They think, Nellie grows faster and thicker. Savanna is airy. So, it needs lot of pruning to make them thick and straight. But I haven't seen any one growing Nellie holli inside home.

2. Looks for 'Emerald Green' (or other) arborvitae (thuja occidentalis). Please recommend me if there are other varieties in this section.

Is it possible to grow Cherry Laurel as tall as 15 ft without growing wider. Do we have any disease issues with Photonia in Dallas.

Thanks for the help.


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I have four red tip photinias that are over twenty years old, and I have never had any disease problem with them. I have never pruned them as I planted them next to a road for noise abatement. They are beautiful when they bloom in the Spring, and are evergreen, so I think you would like them.


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All hollies grow slowly. The Savannah is on my "Failure" list. They aren't very compact, and dislike clay soil. I have a Nellie Stevens, planted about 17 years ago. It's maybe 12 ft. tall, and broad. I don't think it's what you're looking for. I also have a mature magnolia. It drops tough, leathery leaves twice a year, in great abundance. Not sure your neighbor would appreciate that. It's also a slow grower.

I see that redtip photinia has now joined its cousins, the waxleaf and Japanese ligustrums, on the "Invasives" list. Sure you don't want to talk about some less controversial like, say, "same-sex unions"? The Affordable Care Act, maybe? To make a clean breast of it, I have all three, and wouldn't take for them. My phoninias have flourished for over 25 years. I set out a couple of new ones, in the 3 gallon size, in October, and they've grown over a foot. There is nothing more widely planted in North San Antonio. I've not tried the Chinese variety, but was somewhat underimpressed with the specimens I saw at the Botanical Gardens. All these will easily reach 25 feet, and can be kept compact. Of the three I've mentioned, the Japanese ligustrum, aka glossy privet, is the toughest, but also the most controversial.


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I have not had one of the photinias spread either by roots or by seed and that is over 20 years of being inground. I have very good soil that would germinate them if this variety (and I don't know what it is) were invasive.


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Thanks for the information carrie751 and whitecap. As of now my option are savanna holly or redtip photinia . I have visited two nurseries during weekend. I have seen 15'+ Savanna holly in tree form. They felt nice.

Also inquired about Thuja. They suggested me not to go Thuja which might not survive Texas heat. I have seen Lowes selling Thuja occidentalis ‘Smaragd’ in 3 gallon sizes. One nursery recommended me Layland cypress.

I am thinking of either Savanna holly or Redtip photonia.
Please give me Nursery recommendations to check more about Thuja.
Thanks


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You have some serious privacy issues, and your choices may be limited to the lesser of evils. The first thing I would do is go over to both the Shrub and Trees forums, on this site, and do a search on your selections. The results may not be encouraging. Then I would time how much direct light these plants will be receiving, and measure how much eventual width you can tolerate. Decide how much supplemental watering you are prepared to do, and investigate any applicable restrictions. Examine the texture of your soil. Then contact the nearest Texas A&M extension service, and discuss your options. I have obtained excellent advice from them, on several occasions, here in Bexar County.


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Also inquired about Thuja. They suggested me not to go Thuja which might not survive Texas heat. I have seen Lowes selling Thuja occidentalis ‘Smaragd’ in 3 gallon sizes.

ritholtz: Believe you got sound advice. 'Smaragd' is another name for the "Emerald Green" (or just "Emerald") cultivar I suggested previously. This and "Green Giant", a larger western hybrid (standishii x plicata), are two I've seen sold locally. Several that Monrovia rates for zone 8 are limited to Zone 7 on the warmest end by other growers, so clearly on the margin in north Texas - maybe an okay risk as an accent, but less so for a mass planted screen.

These were common in our relatives' older Dallas neighborhoods, so they can grow well here... at least in irrigated lawn/bed spaces. However, none of the better local nurseries and gardening books I've since checked with seem to recommend any arborvitae cultivars these days, so I retract my earlier suggestion. Howard Garrett actually recommended against it in "Plants of the Metroplex" not because it won't grow, but because every insect known to man either eats or lives in this plant.


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Couple of more suggestions Carolina buckthorn, texas native very tough and adaptable does get pretty large in time. Interesting and under used.

Arizona cypress blue ice or Carolina sapphire.

Thuja orientalis or more accurately now, platycladus oritentalis (it has been renamed by botanists but still thuja or oritental arborvitae in the trade) NOT thuja Occidentalis , which is not well adapted for your climate and soil. And not the hybrid green giant.

Several junipers will work. Chinese juniper has many desirable tall cultivars. I just bought an eastern red cedar (juniperus Virginiana Canaertii). Beautiful tree eventually quite large. Popular for screening back in the day. Here is a pic from web

I hate photinia but mostly because its so widely used its boring.


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Quote "Several that Monrovia rates for zone 8 are limited to Zone 7 on the warmest end by other growers, so clearly on the margin in north Texas - maybe an okay risk as an accent, but less so for a mass planted screen."

This advice contains a popular misconception. USDA hardiness zones have Nothing to do with a plants ability to withstand heat. Using it as a lower and upper range makes no sense, because it is only a measure of average annual low temperature. Austin texas is the same zone as Seattle Washington. Would you advise an Austin gardener to grow blue spruce, giant redwood, or fir trees? Of course not because not all zone 8's are the same. Austin and Seattle have completely different climates, even if average annual low temps are comparable.

As for Howard Garret's advice against any thuja, I disagree to the extent platycladus orientalis is a "thuja" at least in name in the nursery trade, platycladus is a ridiculously durable adaptable plant in most of texas, not troubled by any insects here....


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When you see a plant being offered at places like Home Depot, but can't find mature specimens of it in your area, that is a warning.

Ritholtz really needs something that doesn't taper towards the top. One of the original prospects, crape myrtle, may have more to recommend it than may, at first glance, appear. It is almost certain to do well, on this site, with minimal care. Some varieties will get 50' tall, and even give you vivid autumn color. Even in winter, the bare branches of mature trees would obstruct, to some extent, objectionable lines of sight.


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If the top is very tall is ok if it's tapered? Few conifers have spreading crowns. Or will be happy being pruned at arbitrary height every year. eastern red cedar pictured will get quite tall in time.


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Have you guys examined the pics Ritholtz posted with his inquiry on the Landscape Design Forum on 9-19-13? He's got a two story townhome going up directly behind him, and really needs dense foliage at a considerable elevation above the fence. The thread is Landscaping suggestion for improving privacy.


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If you have the space, you might be better off just investing in the largest live oak you can manage, planting it near the back part of your lot, and giving it optimum care for maximum growth rate. Or a pecan tgree--whichever grows more quickly.

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In the interest of full disclosure, I suppose I should own up to having an acute bias against arborvitaes, having been required, as a youngster, to mow around one, with a "push" mower.

Ritholtz, what you really need to do is get an accurate measurement of the height required to give you some relief from the upper windows of that new townhome. I suspect it's going to take much more than 15 ft. to get the job done.


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Thanks for all the replies and sorry for not keeping up with my own thread. I did some rough cut measurement to get some idea of height required.

Privacy fence will start helping me when it reaches 10'- 12'.
I need it to grow to 15' to 16' to cover full length of the window. I have 4' to 5' elevation compared to town homes. Fence (6' height) covered up all of their first floor. I need something to grow for another 10' above my fence (total = 15') to cover most of the one corner window.

I do not have any other window looking into my home except this corner window. My lot is 67' wide (corner).
I have this window located 10' to 15' from my north-east corner point.

Everything else is a slanted roof except for this 15' window/building area. Considering these town homes are towards my north side, I do not get any shade from them. I get lot of sun beaming on this area from east, from above my roof and from west.

They do have little view into my living/kitchen area through windows. But I have a decent size patio. I can get some curtains and attach to patio time being. If I can grow something 15' wide and 15' tall, it can help me get privacy into yard, patio and inside home. It is their one of the kids bedroom in second floor. I have one window in my second floor which can overlook literally all of their windows in first floor and second floor. They are not even keeping it open most of the time.

I visited some whole sale nurseries (landmark and southwest) on Sandy lake rd. I am thinking about more about Savanna hollies. It looks like a very common one among nurseries here, grown into 30g tree form. Most of them are grown up to 20'. Only thing is, they need to pruned to get thick and keep them in shape. Otherwise, i am going to take a chance with photonia or wax myrtle.


This post was edited by ritholtz on Tue, Apr 15, 14 at 14:18


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