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Pit Greenhouse in Texas? Advice please

brit_n_rick
12 years ago

Hi - I posted this inquiry in the greenhouse forum but I thought I would post it here as well.

We are planning to build a small wood-frame greenhouse, approximately 12' x 12' using recycled glass patio doors. We want to use it simply to extend the fall crops, start spring seedlings, and use it as a winter cold-storage cellar. We are not planning to grow in winter - just overwinter some lettuce, kale, broccoli, and such.

We love the idea of a pit greenhouse because the temperature might stay a little warmer inside and that means less maintenance and less monitoring on our part. We would prefer NOT to heat it. Our idea is to dig down about 3 FT and have a 3FT foundation of cinder blocks, gravel floors for drainage, and then have the patio doors and wood framing start at ground level. Greenhouse will get full-sun. We will also use water barrels inside to help store heat.

We live in east Texas (Zone 8b) and we have pretty mild winters - it is only about 36 degrees (average) in January with a few nights dropping down below freezing. The frost-line in our area is only a few inches - most of the pipes are buried at only 12" down.

My question - Do I need to go down further than 3 FT? Or is this overkill for my area? My goal is to avoid using a heater in the winter. I have done some online research about earth-berm / pit greenhouses but the problem is that most of these greenhouses are in areas where there is severe winters. I'm afraid this might be overkill for my situation ... but I also want to build it "right" from the beginning. I don't want to spend the time to build it at ground level and then have thoughts of "I should have done this or that".

I'd like to hear (and see pics!) of other people's pit greenhouses... ANYONE IN TEXAS HAVE A PIT-TYPE GREENHOUSE THAT THEY CAN SHARE? I'D LOVE TO SEE YOUR PHOTOS AND HEAR YOUR STORIES. THANK YOU!!!!

Here is an inspiration pic:

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Comments (10)

  • wantonamara Z8 CenTex
    12 years ago

    I saw one in New Mexico where they don't heat it and they grow all winter.

  • bossjim1
    12 years ago

    I can't advise you as to the benefits of a pit greenhouse, but excavating a 12x12 x 3feet deep pit would be 16 yards of dirt. That's a lot of dirt to move with a shovel and wheelbarrow, and unless you have acreage, getting rid of it could be a problem. Just something to consider.
    Jim

  • rock_oak_deer
    12 years ago

    You shouldn't need a greenhouse for lettuce in your zone. A greenhouse might even be too warm most years.

    I grow lettuce outside all winter and cover it when the temps drop below 25o . It survived lows in the teens and the three day freeze last winter. I don't grow the other plants, but you might want to ask around before planting those too.

    A greenhouse would be great for tender plants though and you might be able to grow lots of other things in there.

  • weldontx
    12 years ago

    I think it's a great idea. Would you possibly need some shade cloth? Will some of the doors open for ventilation? Could I send you about 100 pots to overwinter???? please????

  • Lin barkingdogwoods
    12 years ago

    There is a guy named Michael on an Organic Gardening forum, who lives in Texas and has a pit greenhouse. He uses it to grow tropicals. You might want to check out his website, taroandti.com. I included a link to his pit greenhouse, below.

    Lin

    Here is a link that might be useful: Michael V's pit greenhouse

  • shebear
    12 years ago

    I can't even imagine digging that out over here in Blackland Prairie country. I watched a crew move a tree once and it was pretty much clay for at least 10 feet down and then it looked like it turned to caliche.

  • granburyflowergirl
    12 years ago

    How cool! Darn you Brit N Rick, for now that I know about these, I must have one...

    Lin thanks for the link, that is awesome! I wonder just what the equivalent zone change is in that pit, i.e could I plant my citrus trees right into the ground and not worry about them here in zone 7?

  • Lin barkingdogwoods
    12 years ago

    Granburyflowergirl, Michael is always very willing to help on the Organic Gardening email group (on Yahoo) so you might try contacting him through his web page and asking his advice.

    Lin

  • kyennerell
    12 years ago

    I am in the process of building one in Somervell County. I am using the "Earth-Sheltered Solar Greenhouse Book" as my guide, though it doesn't completely fit with the Texas climate. My hole is 12' x 12' x 4.5' deep, and I expect to have a 7' wall on the north side. I think 3' deep is adequate as long as the north side wall is higher. Right now I'm leaning towards 6" concrete walls all around, though I may go with 8" concrete blocks just because they're easier. I want to grow lettuce, lemon grass, cilantro, and tomatoes year-round, and keffir lime and meyer lemon, too.

    Drainage is the issue in my area since there's lots of limestone rock and I really want to use gravity for drainage.

    Ventilation is a big issue, too, since the summers get so hot here. A friend had good experience with the temperature-controlled ventilation windows sold by major gardening suppliers so I'll probably go with those even though they are expensive. They open automatically when temperatures reach a certain setpoint, 78 or 80 degrees I think.

    I will try to post pictures as things develop. Growing in Texas is such a challenge!

  • jgordo03
    12 years ago

    I started building a Pit Greenhouse late last year. I haven't had any problem keeping it warm. I set my heater at 55 degrees and it cycles maybe for five minutes every hour or so at night this seems to keep the temp between 57 and 62 degrees consistently. If anything I've had to watch the heat buildup with the mild winter we've had. If it's a sunny day the inside temperature is always forty to fifty degrees higher than the outside temperature. So in Texas I�m sure you�ll have worry more about ventilation then heating.
    My foundation is four and a half feet deep and eight inches wide. I have R-13 in the north sidewall, R-20 in the roof and I covered it all with a reflective radiant covering that also serves as a vapor barrier and gives it another R-2 of insulating value. The overall size is 12�x24�. I�ve attached some pictures of the process.

    Here is a link that might be useful: Greenhouse