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Posted by beigestonehill z 6 /7VA (My Page) on Tue, Nov 7, 06 at 17:20
| I admit I am obsessing over Hydrangea macrophylla these days. I just finished Dirr's book on the subject and feel somewhat discouraged that most will not perform well for me in Northern Va. What I would like to know is which Hydrangeas have done well(bloomed) for you in this area? I know Endless Summer should do fine for me but what other ones will be ok in zone 6/7. I am not at all fussy about color. I can give the plant partial shade and lots of water but not much protection. Thanks for your help |
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| Hi, I know that I am wasting your time by replying without being able to answer your question but I have a question of my own. What draws you to hydrangeas? Is it anything you can put into words? |
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| Well, I've been muttering bout this post since it first came on. Unfortunately, I haven't read Dirr's book. Not sure I want to. Hydrangea macrophylla is hardiest zones 6-9 or 5-8, depending on which variety. We are in the perfect area for practically all of them, so I'm puzzled that someone would say otherwise. Drive around and look -- in the older residential areas, because hydrangeas aren't among the plants the developers put around new houses. You will see a lot of hydrangeas, both mopcap and lacecap. The only caveat I know is that they prefer partial shade - about 3 hours of morning sun- (and having said that, I will admit to knowing several hydrangeas which are in full sun and apparently happy). They don't seem to like a solid clay soil (not much does), but clay amended with compost or leaf mould suits them fine. Baby hydrangeas should be watered whenever there is a week without an inch of rain, winter and summer, for their first year. Older hydrangeas are more tolerant provided you give them a very deep mulch, although they are appreciative of weekly watering during summer droughts. Because we do have the occasional blizzard in NVa, I recommend a deep straw or pine-needle mulch from the end of December to the beginning of March. The only hydrangea I've ever lost, was after the blizzard in '87 (and that poor plant had lived for 30 years in the poorest gravelly-clay soil, with no extra food or water). Why not try a few for yourself, rather than relying on someone else's word... |
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| I cannot imagine why my question would make you mutter meldy nva.Goodness life is way too short to get worked up about a simple post! I thought this was a place where you share your knowledge with fellow gardeners, is it not? "Someone else's word" could save me plenty of money and time. If there are certain cultivars that do better here in No Va I just wanted to know about them is that too much to ask? I have tried several H macrophylla a few have done well ( endless summer, all summer's beauty ) Some have NEVER bloomed (Pia) I have looked around and seen beautiful Hydrangeas blooming in No Va I am just trying to find out what they are. I respect Dr Dirr and believe him to be very knowledgeable on the subject of Hydrangeas. Thank you for all the cultural info but that is not what I wanted to know ( I know that) Rian, your question is a good one, I am not sure my answer will do it justice. I like hydrangeas because they seem old fashion and what is not to love about that color blue on a hot summer day? I am a flower designer doing mainly wedding work, and hydrangeas are the flower I love the most in floral work. They also dry easily and look great dried. The few Hydrangeas that have done well for me have been carefree as long as they get enough water. Well that is it in a nutshell… Thanks for asking. |
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| The best hydrangea I've ever grown was purchased, in a grocery store, a 6" 'florist' hydrangea, variegated-it was planted out on N/E side of the house, against a brick wall, & grew like crazy! When we moved, I took cuttings, & dug it up, & gave it to friends, but it didn't survive. We've moved back here, I've planted 'Nikko', 2 oakleafs, another variety, "Angel something" that died very quickly, & I've just planted (about 2 weeks ago) 'Lady in Red'. I love hydrangeas, & even though I can keep up w/ the water requirements, I think this heavy clay soil is too much for them (I'm working on it, have a compost pile)...Linda |
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| Good luck with those Hydrangeas Linda. If you can get your hands on some leaf mold, Hydrangeas seem to love it. I work it into my clay and mulch with it also. Two of the the best reblooming Hydrangeas, Penny Mac and Dooley were originally "florist" hydrangeas that were planted outdoors. Dirr found one at the home of a fellow teacher at the U of Ga and the other was a gift to Penny McHenery the founder of Hydrangea society in America. |
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| The muttering was just trying to figure out why anyone would think that northern Virginia was not suitable for hydrangeas! Clay soil, yes; but so are many portions of the US; the main thing that differentiates NVa from other locales is the climate, and the climate is quite suitable for H. macrophylla. Don't worry, I often mutter about imponderables, one of the side-effects of aging and far more comfortable to live with than are aching joints. One of the problems with giving specific names, is that so many H. macrophylla are grown from "florist" pots... or have been around the house through many decades [and/or owners], with the name long lost. I have three that came to me as gifts - the ubiquitous florist's pot, labeled only as being H. macrophylla. I also have Nikko, which is showing itself as excellently adaptable; blooming it's first year and every year since; thriving in spite of being much too close to several oak trees. Nikko, BTW, seems more tolerant of underwatering than the florist types (and this surely was a droughty summer to discover which plant could do with the least watering). Nikko's blooms are half again larger and fuller than the other plants'. DH brought Endless Summer last year. It has not bloomed yet. ES is demanding of water, happiest with a soaking at least every third day and drooping if it doesn't get enough. The first Peewee didn't survive a winter, my fault for not mulching sufficiently; the second is only a year old, growing but not yet blooming. Like Linda, I've tried several of the named cultivars, and I wasn't especially impressed -but to be fair, that was during the long drought years, and they likely weren't watered sufficiently. I'm not so fond of hydrangeas as to be willing to water them instead of other plants I like better. The end result was simply that I gave most of the named varieties away, to people who were willing to take more care in catering to their thirst. However, I still like hydrangeas - I just don't want to provide the extra watering our recent dry summers require. So, I'm on the watch for plants that are sturdy and strong bloomers, rather than named... a neighbor has a gorgeous hydrangea, right beside her brick home. She says it's been there since they bought the house, over 50 years ago. It consistently blooms a dark royal purple... I plan to try rooting some cuttings. |
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| Well, I've got three blues, one pink and one Oak Leaf. They are all planted on the east side of the house and get the morning sun. One of the blues was dug up from a neighbor's yard five or six years ago. The others I bought and were blooming when I bought them. The pink is the only one that has bloomed since and they are few "tiny" blooms. Nothing that looks like a mophead I've ever seen. The one I dug up from my neighbor's yard (with her permission) has never bloomed since I moved it. Before when she had it (planted on the east side of her house with lots of shade from the house next door and large trees) was very large and had enormous blossoms. Can't figure out my problem but I just keep hoping from year to year. Over the years I've fertilized them, not fertilized them, cut them back, not cut them back, amended the soil (yes, they were planted in clay which is all I have in my yard but 15 or so years ago I amended the soil for a rose garden, which I later realized didn't get nearly enough sun) so I moved it and put in the hydrangeas. I don't know the names of any of them. By the way, the Oak Leaf has given me some pretty respectible blooms. So, I understand your questions about what is best for you area. I'm about two hours south of you and I'm not really sure what grows well here either although when I look around at everyone elses house I see beautiful hydrangeas. Maybe its just that we dont' talk nicely enough to them. I'll admit, I've thought about just pulling the little, you-know-whats up but I've never said it out loud. Ann |
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